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Big Al from WI Donating Member (130 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 08:16 PM
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How the heck did Mitt Romney get elected???
As you can probably tell, I'm from Wisconsin so I don't know a ton about Massachusetts. But you've got two Dem senators, your state has gone Dem in the presidential elections, etc. So how in the world does such a right-wing Santorum clone (at least that's why some Repubs I know love him) get elected in Massachusetts?
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 08:17 PM
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1. Same way Bush did.
By lying about his beliefs and agenda to a public that, for the most part, doesn't have the time or interest to dig down deep into candidates or issues.
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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 05:07 PM
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20. yup, exactly !! n/t
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 08:29 PM
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2. It's kind of a strange phenomenon...
Edited on Tue Jul-20-04 08:30 PM by punpirate
... that Massachusetts keeps voting for Republican governors--Volpe, Weld, Sargent, Swift, Celucci and Romney in recent years.

M'self, I think it's a kind of poltical schizophrenia--the Massachusetts voter votes Democratic at the state and Congressional levels in the hopes of their share of the tax pie coming back to them or their communities, and then votes for Republican governors because they promise fiscal responsibility and because the Republicans' cultural values are closer to their own. The younger, more educated Boston/Cambridge voter is fairly progressive, but the rest of the state is less so.

Eventually those more rigid Yankees will figure it out.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 08:32 PM
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3. I dunno. Did they use Diebold?
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 08:47 PM
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4. Let Me Dispel Some Myths

There are more independent registered voters in MA than registreed Democrats. That should tell you something.

In MA, there are real issues about congestion, construction, traffic etc - so the suburbs around Boston voted for Mitt cuz he played to them - "smart growth" , tax cuts, and all that.

And there is the fact that the legislature has a veto proof majority and Mitt did his whole - let's have 2 parties in government and not have one party control everything (funny Mitt does say much about that when talking nationally.....).
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Catt03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 09:50 PM
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5. I would suspect it was because
he had been chairman of the Olympics committee and pulled off a very successful event in LA. With that, he had media coverage hourly and was commended for the success.

It did not hurt that he was good looking and spoke well.

And...he is a carpetbagger.
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-20-04 10:06 PM
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6. Read This
Edited on Tue Jul-20-04 10:09 PM by liberalpragmatist
Massachusetts Conservatives: "Massachusetts liberal" is one of the most enduring labels in American politics. It's also one of the least accurate.
By Noel C. Paul

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=express&s=paul072004

The myth of Massachusetts as the defiant home of left-wing orthodoxy was probably born on November 7, 1972. That day, Massachusetts was the lone state to vote for George McGovern. The stereotype has been reinforced ever since by the predominance of the Democratic Party in local politics: Democrats make up the state's entire delegation of congressmen and senators; among voters, Democrats outnumber Republicans three to one; Republicans hold just 29 of 200 seats in the state's House and Senate combined; and a Republican has not served as mayor of Boston since 1937. All of which explains why Massachusetts is largely viewed by the rest of America as a sort of Marxist redoubt with great seafood.

But the problem with this line of reasoning is that Democrats are not the same thing as liberals. Indeed, a close look at the Democratic-dominated legislature suggests that the state's Democratic Party may be the most conservative in the Northeast. The legislature cut taxes 45 times during the past decade, leading to about $4 billion in savings for state residents. In 1999 a majority of Democrats in the legislature blocked an effort to index the minimum wage to inflation. The legislation's major opponent was Democratic House Speaker Thomas Finneran, a representative from one of Boston's poorest neighborhoods and a member of the Cato Institute. Massachusetts Democrats "have a fiscally conservative, supply-side mentality," says Harris Grubman, director of the state chapter of Neighbor to Neighbor, one of three major progressive political groups here attempting to make the party more liberal.

And the Democrats' centrism is not limited to fiscal issues. In 1994, the state passed a welfare reform bill Grubman calls "draconian." It gave those enrolled in the state program only two years to find a job, compared to the five years granted by the Republican-controlled Congress. In 1998 Democrats blocked funding for a fair elections bill; they also quashed legislation requiring a reduction in mercury emissions, making Massachusetts the only state in New England not to have passed such a law. The reason: lobbying by business interests, which wield considerable influence in the state legislature. Taken as a group, the legislature's Democrats are against abortion, but support legalized casino gambling and high-stakes testing as a requirement for graduation from public schools. They recently defeated a bill that would have expanded health care for children. Most observers agree that in a legislature of 200, there are only 30 true progressives. "If you walk into that body and listen to debate, some of it sounds like it came from South Carolina or Louisiana," says Democratic consultant Michael Goldman.

A good illustration of this took place earlier this year, when the legislature passed a state constitutional amendment that would ban gay marriage. The liberal wing of the party had sought to defeat the measure, but was outnumbered by moderate Democrats. Even this compromise, however, came as a disappointment to many because it endorsed civil unions. Finneran had earlier proposed a similar ban with no provision for civil unions. He fell two votes short. In a legislature that is about 85 percent Democratic, that nearly 50 percent wanted a gay marriage ban and no civil unions says something about just how conservative many Massachusetts Democrats are.

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I just posted this in GD and I noted that my guess is that b/c the Democratic Party dominates so strongly, most aspiring politicians probably join the party in order to have a realistic shot at office. The fact is, the people of Massachusetts aren't significantly more liberal as a whole than the average American. They just tend to sometimes be more influenced by the academic Boston/Cambridge/Harvard liberals. Certainly it's overall a more liberal state, but it's not Vermont or even California. There are many socially-conservative, working-class Catholics. Plus, the GOP runs as moderate-to-liberal. Even Romney had a platform that would make the National GOP go wild.
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 12:42 PM
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8. Thank you. I've been trying to tell people that for years.
The rest of the country still uses the seventies to judge Mass. and Boston. Mass. was the only state to vote for McGovern, and the state gets the reputation of being extremely liberal. That was 32 years ago, and republicans have never tired of using the term "Massachusetts liberal." Meanwhile, because of the school busing crisis in the seventies, Boston got labeled as an extremely racist city. Yes, there was racism involved; there were also issues of sending kids halfway across town to school. But again, that was over 30 years ago and the city has changed in those years. I'm not saying racism has disappeared; I'm just saying Boston is not the horrific racist city that some people think it is.
You can't judge a place based on how it was 30 years ago.
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skippysmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 09:22 AM
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7. Mitt snowed a lot of people
by pretending to be more socially liberal than he has governed. I remember watching his debate with O'Brien -- the one Russert moderated -- and being amazed at how they were trying to one-up each other on how pro-choice they were. Only in Massachusetts, I thought.

Then he became governor...and his true colors came out. Not to mention he has all these national aspirations, which requires him to move to the right.
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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 05:09 PM
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21. and in the back room . . .
Romney was being "sponsored" by the s.o.b.'s that tried to "out-do" Jane Swift on the MassTurnpikeAuthority board . . . yup, Jane was shafted by HER OWN PARTY in favor of cute-boy Romney. And, you wonder why the Republican Party in Massachusetts sucks?
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 05:21 PM
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9. here's my take ...
the problem wasn't Romney and how he campaigned ...

the problem is the Democratic Party in the state ... they are almost non-existent as an organization ... i'm currently working on the campaign of my State Rep., Karen Spilka ... she's great ...

i asked her campaign manager what kind of support democratic candidates get from the state democratic party ... the answer: virtually none ... no funds, no organization, no administrative support, nothing ...

so that's one problem ...

the other, i'm afraid, is that people, especially those outside of Boston, can't stand Finneran and his dictatorial control over the statehouse ... I think independents and even many centrist democrats seek to balance his power by what they perceive to be, rightly or wrongly, moderate republicans ...

Finneran, like Bulger, has got to go ... the state democratic party needs new leadership, new vision and new energy ... with Finneran's stranglehold locked in place, it won't happen anytime soon ... and the Governor's office will continue to be the price we pay ...
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bushwakker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 09:53 AM
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13. We will not reclaim the Gov's office until Finneran is gone
I could go on for hours about this but that is the short sweet version.
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midnight armadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 12:13 PM
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10. The Dems picked the wrong candidate
Running Shannon O'Brien, a middle-aged, frumpish woman, against Mr. Great Hair and Teeth Mitt Romney (who even did shirtless campaign ads), was a mistake. Romney had much more charisma and charm, and O'Brien didn't campaign well or stack up well on TV next to Mitt.

Yes, that's shallow, but the fact remains that shallow comparisons matter in politics.

If the Dems had picked Robert Reich they would have had an energetic, funny, and self-deprecating candidate who would have had a truly different platform from Romney, and would have won due to Clinton's rep since he was Clintons former Sec of Labor.
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-22-04 10:49 PM
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11. I Always Thought Steve Grossman Was the Best
Reich is too much of a know-it-all.

I don't like the way you put down Shannon. The fix was in ever since Mitt came on-board. I am not sure anyone could have beaten him.
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midnight armadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 02:44 PM
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22. I'm not putting her down
I think she would have made a fine governor. I even voted for her. But, appearances count and the Romney campaign played that angle hard.
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umass1993 Donating Member (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 10:48 PM
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15. Telegenic


Being "cute" counts, just look at the democratic presidential candidates. Neither has accomplished a damn thing in government,
but they both kept their hair.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 08:11 PM
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16. Hi umass1993!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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umass1993 Donating Member (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 10:22 PM
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17. thank you
for saying hi. :toast:
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bushwakker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 09:52 AM
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12. Two words - Tom Finneran
Finneran is the despised Speaker of the MA House of Reps. He is a fiscal and social conservative. He runs his house like a dictatorship and is hated by all. Every 4 years the GOP runs against him and wins. That's the short version.
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Squeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 03:33 PM
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14. Too many candidates beat each other up
Five worthy candidates in the 2002 primaries. Three in 1998. They end up hurting each other, and the Repubs and their ant-like loyalties look so much more mature and businesslike. (As witness how little arm twisting it took to make Jane Swift, who wanted to win on her own so bad she was practically salivating on camera, bow out for Romney.)

If the Dems could unite behind one candidate before the last possible moment, we should reclaim the corner office.
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Zolok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 01:08 PM
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18. Thanks to spiraling land values
every homeowner in Massachusetts thinks they are a millionaire.
So they elected a millionaire governor to secure their class interests.
At the same time they also elected a democratic state legislature to keep tabs on Governor Decaf and to bring home the bacon if the housing market went bust.
That and the fact that the state is effin' sodden with mcmansion geekers who came here for college and found a home in the high tech industry...they are a torpid unpolitical and naive' bunch that are acutely vulnerable to the blandishments of a Mitt Romney.
www.chimesatmidnight.blogspot.com
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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 03:11 PM
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19. how did Mitt Romney, a social conservative, get elected in Massachusetts?
1.) He lied. Not only about his political positions but about where he lived, i.e., his residency in order to qualify as a gubernatorial candidate u/ the Massachusetts constitution.

2.) Massachusetts votes in Republican (moderates) as governor to offset the hold that the Speaker of the House (Bulger, Finneran) has had on Massachusetts for too many years. And the Speaker is well known for padding his own district every census change in order to retain his seat. We define a GOP moderate as a fiscal conservative and a social moderate or liberal.

3.) Romney was (or is) a bishop in the Mormon faith, and was (or is) head of his faith in the northeast area of America . . . but did the voters know this? or that Romney would attempt to push his religious views into our laws?

4.) Again, Romney lied.

5.) If Romney were to run again, despite his camera perfect smile, great hair, and little boy demeanor, he would resoundingly LOSE!

6.) Why? Because he lied. Through and through.
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