What If Voter Fraud Takes Place Tomorrow?

[BamaLefty]

Just like it did in OH with Kerry.

Please don't tell us that we are going to lay down and let them steal another one...

I have a feeling that IF this happens, that Hackett has the cojones to do something about it.

[shraby]

1. That's "election fraud", not "voter fraud"

there's a lot of difference.

[BamaLefty]

8. You're Right

My bad...

[bullimiami]

2. im confident it will.

im just waiting to see if any lessons have been learned yet.

[kansasblue]

3. deleted

[BamaLefty]

9. C'Mon...

Give Kerry a break. Geez... ;)

[libertypirate]

4. This is why I don't think they will do it.

[tinrobot]

5. I'm sure they will steal it.

I hope Hackett does contest if that happens.

[shoelace414]

6. without a mushroom cloud

nothing will happen

[Darkhawk32]

7. I don't think they'll do it... for one reason...

The area in which to fraud is too small and it'd take a large % of fraudulent swing in a condensed area. It would be too obvious upon a full hand recount.

[Stevepol]

10. What do you mean "What if"? Of course it will. The only questuion:

What are the candidates going to do about it? As things now stand, there is NO WAY election fraud can be caught, no required audits, no open source code, NO NOTHIN.

Will some highly publicized candidates ever have the cojones to DEMAND a recount?

Will they begin screaming bloody murder and PUBLICIZING the exit polls?

IF JUST ONE WELL-KNOWN OR WELL-PUBLICIZED CANDIDATE WOULD DO THIS AND MAKE IT A CRUSADE, WE'D SOON HAVE FAIR ELECTIONS AGAIN.

He'd also have the support of millions of Americans who recognize that we don't have a democracy anymore due to the electtonic voting machines, pargicularly the central tabulators.

NOTHING COULD BE MORE OBVIOUS.

Yet 99% of pols have their head in the sand.

[lynettebro440]

11. If the results come back

51% Repuke 49% Dem - then you know their good old machines were working the same way again.

[SouthernDem2004]

12. Problem is that if the Democratic candidate losses some people are going

to yell fraud no matter what. They are unable to accept the possibility of an actual loss.

[BamaLefty]

13. Dude,

that isn't true at all. Yell fraud no matter what? When has that happened? Point it out one time-- just once.

That statement is sooooooo off-base it isn't even funny. I'm not trying to be mean to you, but I just think you need to rethink that and look at the facts at Florida 2000 and Ohio 2004. Very convincing evidence on the side of us DUers.

[SouthernDem2004]

15. Hmmm...

Some people were yelling fraud the second Bush was announced the winner in 2004. Some considered it fraud just because they could not believe Sen. Kerry lost. Read the forum starting back for that day. How many of the original conspiracy theories lasted? Most peoples "proof" of fraud was debunked long ago. As a matter of fact, there is no evidenc of fraud. I know some on DU do not accept that but then again some thought the U.S. was responsible for the tsunamis in asia among other interesting conspiracy theories.

[BamaLefty]

16. I Don't Remember That

Honestly, I don't. I'm not saying you're wrong though.

Yes, I know about the con theories-- but election fraud is not one of them. Read the stuff that "TruthIsAll" puts up in the Results Forum, those are facts.

Gore won Florida.

Kerry won Ohio.

[SouthernDem2004]

17. Conspiracy websites are just that...

I followed the initial conspiracies and watched them change as they were debunked. I think now they are stuck with exit polling numbers. The Supreme Court decided 2000 not voter fraud and Sen. Kerry lost Ohio. Truth hurts but reality is not always what we like.

[BamaLefty]

18. Thanks To Judicial Activism (FL) and Diebold (OH)

... you're absolutely right.

[SouthernDem2004]

19. Zero proof Ohio was rigged. Zero, nada zilch not a shread...

[BamaLefty]

20. But Very Good Evidence

Good enough to make an Independent say "I want to know more."

[SouthernDem2004]

21. Maybe but there is evidence of Aliens and Big Foot... To each his own.

[benevolent dictator]

23. Maybe not that it was "rigged" but if you look at the voting precincts

that used "punch cards" vs. say optical scan or whatever, those areas are all highly Democratic. There was also all of the issues with there being like 2 voting stands for a precinct of 10,000 voters. There were people who stood in line for 10 hours to vote and weren't allowed to vote in the end because it was after midnight.

If we keep letting them steal the elections it won't matter what we do, because by the time everyone wakes up we'll be under martial law anyway.

[benevolent dictator]

22. Umm... there's plenty of evidence of fraud.

The exit polls vs. the count is all you need.

The exit polls are used as a measure of election accuracy in many other places, and the odds that ALL of the ones that were off would ALL be off in favor of B*sh are like over a trillion to one.

Just because it's not investigated doesn't mean it's not there.

[Botany]

14. not if ..... but when it happens

Warren County declared a terrorist alert and hid the ballot
counting ..... I think in every County in that district
an unkown black women with no money getting more votes then
John Kerry when she was running for S. Court of Ohio but
her Repuglican counterpart got thousands less then bush.