Would you vote for Belinda Stronach ?

[Monkeybumper]

I vote in the riding of Aurora Newmarket where Stronach is the incumbent since crossing the floor from the Conservatives to the Liberals . There is no other choice since the NDP cant draw flies here .

[Vote NDP]

1. I don't know...

I have less respect for her intellectually than I do for just about any Canadian politician, male or female, and I hate the fact that she advocated a hard line in support of cannabis prohibition.

The only two things she has going for her are being pro-choice and dumping Peter McKay.

On the other hand, Lois Brown is the spawn of Stephen Harper and Phyllis Schafly.

[artistmate]

2. vote liberal

in the old days growing was cool. now it;s mostly real bad
dudes doing it.I have nothing but respect for Belinda. When
she saw those rednecks and neanderthals up close she must have
puked.Took balls to switch sides IMO.

[Telly Savalas]

3. She could have done like the rest of us...

and cracked open a newspaper.  It's not like they've done much
to mask their far-right agenda until a few weeks ago.

It's pretty compelling evidence for how far the Liberal's have
strayed when someone who was a viable candidate for
Conservative leadership feels at home in the Liberal cabinet.

That said, I'd probably hold my nose and vote for her if I
lived in Newmarket-Aurora.  While arrogant Liberals who don't
feel the NDP has the right to exist are truly obnoxious, a
Liberal minority or Liberal-NDP are the only feasible
governments that will do this country any good.  Hence real
strategic voting makes sense: if one is in a riding where the
NDP can win or where it's a given who's going to win, vote
NDP; if it's a 1-2 race between the Libs and Cons, vote Lib.

[CHIMO]

5. May I

Suggest that if one is in a riding that is going Conservative,
that they think about the implications and the revenue that
their vote will bring about.

For those die hard Liberals in a Conservative riding, a vote
for the NDP will bring the Liberals back to the left of certre
in an attempt to try and win that NDP vote in the future.

[Harper_is_Bush]

7. OMG. You're saying that if it's between the Liberal and the Conservative

candidate in a riding you'd vote NDP, knowing that would help
the Conservative candidate to victory?
And you'd do that for the lousy $1.25 the NDP will get for
that vote for it's next campaign?

I would suggest voting for NDP if the Liberal in the riding
had no hope of winning.  

Fight the rightwing, that's the bottom line.

[CHIMO]

10. May

I suggest a re-reading course.

And for those rich .... folks that don't appreciate a dollar,
well then I guess they can eat cake.

Kind of hard to fight the right wing when we is them, to
paraphrase a saying.

You know, it almost sounds like one is trying to create some
Nader like divergence between progressives and Nader's right
to stand up for things as he sees it.

Now that is only my take on things, having watched the toings
and froings going on since the fall of last year. But, well my
crystal ball is not as good as yours. 

[Harper_is_Bush]

11. My apologies, you're talking solely about ridings

where nobody but a Conservative has any hope of winning.

Would you argue for a Liberal vote if was a race between
Liberals and Conservatives in a riding and the NDP had no
hope?

[CHIMO]

14. I Would

Have to consider things for a long time. I would certainly not
vote conservative. Even though we are supposed to vote for the
candidate.

However, if my vote meant that Martin would stay, then I would
have a very hard time to cast my vote for the Liberals.

He kicked all the independent people out of the party, he has
the corporations as his guide posts and he is trying to tell
us that he has no vision and all he has is the same crap that
Bush has, fear.

Where is the direction and the plan. Giving Bush the
impression that he is for missile defense and then turning on
the phrase that he doesn't want to militarize space. Giving
Newfoundland a special deal and then doing the same with other
provinces. So McGuinty has to stand up for Ontario, the
province that has always been the glue between Quebec and
Canada. (Not to mention his tax points to the provinces in
lieu of cash for child care and medical)

I would have a very hard time deciding.

[Harper_is_Bush]

6. Come on, she was never "viable".

The Conservative party is reform/alliance dressed up.

Stronach was window dressing for them, and they let her run
for the leadership because she has about a zillion
dollars....but NEVER would they have let a liberal-minded
person like her lead them.
It was all for show, and she defected because she wised up and
realized she was being used by a bunch of repressive
narrow-minded white guys to jazz-up thier image.

[CHIMO]

8. Hmmm

So you don't like white guys.

Sort of like a cliche from back in the 60's.

Funny.

[Harper_is_Bush]

9. Please watch yourself.

I didn't say I don't like white guys.

Debate, converse, agree, disagree, but don't make me the
target of your behaviour here please.

[CHIMO]

12. OK

So [b]It was all for show, and she defected because she wised
up
and realized she was being used by a bunch of repressive
narrow-minded white guys to jazz-up thier image.[/b] (the
spelling error is from the original post)means that you like
them?

You just don't like em in the Conservative group.

I get it. You like em when you like em and you don't like em
when you don't like em. Now that is pretty well clear. 

And just one other item. I don't take kindly to threats! And
learn to stop being personal if it gets too hot in the
kitchen.

[Harper_is_Bush]

13. What "threats"? I politely asked you to watch yourself.

You are being overly hostile towards me.  It's a fitting
request.

As for the rest, what I said previously doesn't mean that I
like or dislike "white guys".  You claimed I dislike
"white guys".  That sounds to me like an accusation
of racism.  

It is possible to point out that an organization (ie. the
Canadian Conservative Party) is made up of mostly
narrow-minded repressive white guys without any intent of
insulting "white guys" persay.

Do you disagree with that statement?  If so, please tell me
how.

[CHIMO]

16. You

Don't have to be any one colour, sex or race to be good or
bad. The words are trigger words to show that one is with it. 

The Conservative party is a political party and they have
every right to push for their beliefs and objectives. Trying
to paint them as racist is objectionable. If they are racist
then put up the facts. Otherwise don't use innuendo to try and
paint that picture.

What we all here seem to be trying to achieve is to put
forward ideas, facts or news that we believe are true. One of
which is that the Conservative party is really the reform
party and they are following the same line as Strauss, just as
the Bush group is.

[Harper_is_Bush]

17. So, pointing out that they are mostly white...

is racist?

[CHIMO]

19. Well

If one doesn't see the affect of attributing things to race,
colour or religion as being racist then I guess that it is not
racist in their mind.

Because if that is the case, then it is racist, and then put
up the facts.

Why point it out? Most of the people on earth are humans. Why
does one have to point it out? Does the percent of minorities
in the party reflect the national average. If not then why
not? Why not then look at the reason(s), it might reflect
something.

[Harper_is_Bush]

22. By that logic

A person reporting that a man of a certain color robbed them
is racist.  Probably sexist also.

:eyes: 

[Mother Jones]

23. 'Real bad dudes'?

LOL

I gave her a nod when she crossed the floor, but that's pretty
much where it ends.  Yes, she's pro-choice, but I EXPECT that
from a female politician in this country. 
Must agree with the poster who said we must be very careful of
these floor-crossers. Blurring lines between Libs and cons is
not good for us or our country. 

That said, ya, I'd hold my nose and vote for her, if she were
in a tight race with a con.

[iverglas]

24. good point

[b]Yes, she's pro-choice, but I         EXPECT that from a
female politician in this country.[/b]

And isn't it nice that we do? ;)

Being pro-choice should be kinda like believing the earth is
spheroid.  Not something one gets actual points for.

I'm not persuaded that Stronach is aware that the earth is
spheroid, myself.  Such a dullard as one has seldom seen
opening a mouth and making noises on the teevee.

 

 

[Harper_is_Bush]

4. Absolutely!!

She made a principled decision to leave the Conservative party. Kudos for that.

Who else would you vote for anyway? The conservatives?

Put a Liberal in Ottawa if you can.

[V. Kid]

15. As people may know I think the Liberals suck...

...for various reasons. In a way though I don't mind Stronach, inspite of the fact that she's clearly right-wing economically. Mostly because she seems suprisingly blunt, dumped that tool McKay, and put the entire Conservative Party into a collective hissyfit. Whether or not I could vote for her, I'm not sure, but I'd consider it, inspite of people like Buzz.

[daleo]

18. I kind of warmed up to Stronach for those reasons too. n/t

[Monkeybumper]

20. Bellinda has her eye on another prize

Many around here think if she can get elected again as a liberal she will go after the leadership when Paul Martin loses.

[V. Kid]

21. I don't know...

...she can't speak French, changed parties so hasn't "put in her time", is a woman so that makes it more difficult to get in with the "good ol' boys". Otoh, she seems to have gotten a lot more astute in the last two and half three years, since she first entred the Conservative leadership race, and was a joke. If she can get elected I suspect she'll continue to get stronger. I find it annoying how people constantly go after her, not on substantive points like her positions on the issue, but after her personally ie: the "dipstick" comments. And the constant complaining about how she switched parties, as if that's so horrible and no one else has done it before. But she seems to have a way of not letting it really get to her, which is something that any female politician needs to succed. Plus, compared to most politicians she's attractive, literally, so who knows maybe she could get a bit of Belinda-mania in the 2008 (but more likely 2014 or something) election.

[meppie-meppie not]

25. normally I would answer NO, but given the stakes as they are I would

be voting for her to help support another Liberal seat. I think the Liberals can use all they can get.

[Monkeybumper]

26. Just came back from voting .

Could not bring myself to vote for this opportunist . Perhaps if she had of crossed the floor to sit as an independent .3 votes against her from this household .

[meppie-meppie not]

27. I sure understand where you're coming from. She is a major

opportunists but who can blame her given the silver spoon she was born with...reminds me of another weasel ;-)

[Monkeybumper]

28. Paul Martin ?

[meppie-meppie not]

29. I was thinking of GW but the billing fits with Martin too!