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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 10:48 PM
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Peter MacKay "didn't see it coming"
Edited on Wed May-18-05 11:41 PM by Telly Savalas
According to this Toronto Star article Stronach's defection came as a complete surprise to her lover, Bloc Albertan MP Peter MacKay.

Chin up, Petey. I bet either Diane Ablonczy or Rahim Jaffer are available.

On edit: Ah shit. Didn't notice Hand's thread on this. Sorry.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 12:10 AM
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1. I can't believe Canadian news has come to this
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V. Kid Donating Member (616 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 02:55 AM
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2. Yeah this is so boring....
Edited on Thu May-19-05 02:56 AM by V. Kid
...maybe his heart is broken, I geuss I feel bad for him over that. But to be honest, I don't really care. It's so unimportant, leave the personal issues like this away from "serious" news.

Heh imagine him and Diane or Rahim...holy crap....hmm maybe Myron Thompson is available!
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 07:59 AM
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4. It's still sort of "serious" news
One big question when Stronach crossed the aisle was whether MacKay was going to defect with her or if he had been jilted. This report puts to rest this issue.
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democracy eh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 07:28 AM
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3. Whatever the cost of Sponsorship waste worked out to be per person

I think we are getting good entertainment value for our $$.

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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 09:52 AM
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9. No kidding!
Works out to, say, $3.50 or so a head if you count the kiddies (and why not? The whole thing's pretty infantile :evilgrin:). Hell, you'd pay three times as much to see a bad movie that wasn't half as funny! :rofl:
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 08:50 AM
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5. I saw McKay on CTV this morning and it was a mirror image
of Entertainment Tonight, it was Jennifer and Brad all over again. There was not ONE question on the political aspects, they were all about his 'broken' heart. Geez, damn good thing I hadn't had breakfast yet, I hate wasting good food.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 09:19 AM
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6. Maybe Peter and Belinda should go on Dr. Phil
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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 09:47 AM
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7. Pfui!
Edited on Thu May-19-05 09:55 AM by Hand
I watched Pond Scum Peter putting on his Wounded Sensitive Guy act last night on the "news". :puke: Wotta disgusting spectacle; worse yet, they put on some gushing bimbo from the Halifax Chronically Horrid to review his performance and tell us all what a terrific guy he was to be going through all this -- "Ooooh, he's won the women's vote now!" Feh. Also Fap. :nopity:

Apparently it never entered these nincompoops' empty heads that Stronach's aisle crossing and McKay/Stronach's personal relationship might not necessarily have to be bound together--you know, true love and all that. :sarcasm: Looks more like it's been exposed for what it was all along--a purely political arrangement, thus an act of utter cynicism on BOTH their parts.

You'd think someone, somewhere, would mention that... but NOOOOOOOOOOOO.
:rant:

ON EDIT: Hmm, my grammar goes straight to hell when I'm ranting. Also added a few more gratuitous smilies.
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Feathered Fish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 09:51 AM
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8. I said it before
and I'll say it again: that's karma for ya, Petey. David Orchard is having a good, hearty laugh.
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Pierre Trudeau Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 10:15 AM
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10. That's what you get....

... when you try to have a menage-a-trois with an Alberta Neocon and an Ontario Red Tory. At least Stephen still loves him.... or does he??? I'm not sure "love" is an emotion easily summoned by Cold Fisheyes.

If Peter were a real "Tory", he would have gone with her: Martin's Blue Liberals are a much more suitable home for old-school progressive conservatives.

Although any self-respecting Red Tory really ought to be joining the Green Party (how long before we see David Orchard there?)

Orchard, for sure, is uniquely able to see the bitter irony in all this.

As for Peter, he deserves a Gemini award for his TV performance as the jilted lover. :eyes:
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 10:27 AM
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11. "If Peter were a real 'Tory' ..."
He'd have gone to the NDP long ago.

Nobody remembers David MacDonald?!

That's a Red Tory.


"Although any self-respecting Red Tory really ought to be joining the Green Party (how long before we see David Orchard there?)"

You haven't noticed that it ain't the Red Tories running the Green Party?

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Pierre Trudeau Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 10:32 AM
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12. Jim Harris may not be "Red"...

... but he's no Neocon either.

He's at least a bit "pink", don't you think??

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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 01:47 PM
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14. ah, those terms
I just never know what somebody means by "neo-con". To me, it means economically "neo-liberal" with a bunch of assorted nastiness (on foreign policy and individual rights/freedoms) thrown in.

It's the economic aspect that "Red Tory" refers to. And on that point, I would indeed say that Jim Harris is more "neo-con" than "Red Tory".

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/election/bio/harris.html

Jim Harris was elected leader of the Green Party of Canada with an overwhelming victory in 2003. He is formerly a member of the Progressive Conservative Party. He calls himself a "green conservative" or an "eco-capitalist" and wants to move his party away from protest and towards green politics and green economics.

... In 1990, he organized the Green Party of Ontario's (GPO) provincial campaign, and also ran as a candidate.
Interestingly, the Green Party candidate from that era with whom I'm familiar went in the other direction: became a Progressive Conservative Party candidate, and never seemed to have much pink about him at all.

Other bits of that article, regarding anti-democratic practices within the Green Party, are also quoted in an article at Straight Goods:

http://www.straightgoods.ca/ViewLetter.cfm?REF=1495
"Greens Have Abandoned Their Second Pillar
Conservative economics are at odds with true environmentalism."

I find the informational base offered there useful, and the author (and others he quotes) to be pretty much spot on in his conclusions.

And another:

http://www.rabble.ca/news_full_story.shtml?x=33454
"You've heard of the bourgeoisie? Now there's the “Turquoisie” — the Jim Harris blue-greens"

Eco-capitalism is not "pink". Being an intimate of Brian Mulroney isn't usually evidence of being "pink". (And indeed, although I myself had done a spot of work for Flora MacDonald's campaign for the Tory leadership before Mulroney won it, me having a soft spot for Red Tories, her own pinkness got a bit of a blue rinse once she joined his cabinet.)

And I'm forever wondering why people seem to see the Green Party as some sort of rough equivalent substitute for the NDP. I've basically never paid enough attention to the Green Party to have a really worthwhile opinion about it to maintain in public, but for my own purposes I'm content to rely on what I do know as a basis for not bothering to pay much more attention to it.

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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 12:30 PM
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13. I doubt that Harper loves MacKay...
Harper's hopelessly in love with himself already. Which shows what a perv Harper is. :evilgrin:
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-05 05:37 PM
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15. Doubt That You Will See
David Orchard there.
I heard him on a call in show last year where he was asking his supporters to let him know what they thought he should do.
A few callers suggested that he should join with the Green party. He didn't seem that was a good idea as the leader was the same person who was working behind the scenes to prevent him from receiving his funds.

I know quite little about the Greens but what I have heard of them during the last election it seems to me that they are a libertarian party that wants to include the cost of green things in everything. In that way we can all be green at the people's expense. Just my view.
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croat Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 01:42 AM
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16. Not trying to be picky but...
...MacKay isn't Albertan, he's from Nova Scotia.
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Canadian_moderate Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-05 10:16 AM
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17. Trois mean three..
1. MacKay (NS)
2. Stronach (ON)
3. Harper (AB)
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