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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 09:42 AM
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Postal votes 'undermine faith in our democracy'
POSTAL voting on demand, one of Tony Blair’s key reforms, risked undermining the long-established faith in British democracy, international observers of the general election said yesterday.

The secret ballot, a basic human right, was thrown into doubt by rule changes that resulted in six million people voting by post on May 5, they said. The Government had placed more emphasis on improving turnout than maintaining the reliability of the results, the observers said. Turnout rose overall, especially in close-fought seats. Labour, which traditionally fears stay-at-home voters, won a historic third term.

In the aftermath of the election, victorious ministers promised an urgent review of the system. But a Bill promised in the Queen’s Speech failed to materialise. Whitehall blamed the new priority of defeating terrorism. A worrying picture of the voting system emerges from the first mission to a British general election by the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE).
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While ministers denounced The Times for its investigations highlighting the dangers of mass postal voting, the observers agreed that the system was insecure and should be scrapped. “Although the election process and procedures overall enjoy a high degree of trust, the introduction of postal voting on demand in 2000, without the need to present a reason for the application, has demonstrated the vulnerability of any trust-based electoral process,” their report says.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1723158,00.html


Once again, the slightest excuse to ignore the crappy state of postal voting is taken by a government that's more interested in its voting numbers than whether they are legitimate. A facade of democracy is all that interests them.
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non sociopath skin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 10:58 AM
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1. I'm very uncomfortable with postal voting: not the concept ...
... just the lack of checks and balances.

Restoring faith in democracy is more important than voting gimmickry IMHO.

The Skin
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Mr Creosote Donating Member (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 04:55 PM
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2. I'm actually uneasy with the concept as well
fair enough the aged, frail, infirm should be given a postal vote. But if the healthy and able-bodied can't be arsed to turn up in person then I'm not sure that I'm that bothered about their voice counting.
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non sociopath skin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-06-05 05:55 PM
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3. Not always easy, Mr. C.
Don't want to disenfranchise folk in crap jobs. We need their input ...

The Skin
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Mr Creosote Donating Member (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 10:57 AM
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4. Not exactly sure what you mean by "crap" jobs
but wouldn't making General Election day a bank holiday get around most of that?
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non sociopath skin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 05:33 PM
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6. By crap, I mean long hours.
Yes, making Polling Day a Bank Holiday might help - although the Low Wage Economy knows not your Bank Holidays.

But nobody's thinking seriously of doing it. In the meantime ...

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Guy_Montag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 04:07 AM
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7. Make it a full weekend, & a little more
Friday 12pm to Monday 12pm, with polling stations open 8am to 10pm on sat & sun. If that's not enough, run for a full week.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-07-05 11:15 AM
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5. I'm worried about votes getting lost in the post...
accidentally (happens all too often), or deliberately (would undoubtedly happen sooner or later!)

I think postal votes are fine when restricted to a limited group of people; i.e. those with mobility limitations, or those who have to be away on election day. Introduce them for everyone, and the situation becomes too hard to monitor.
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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-08-05 07:04 AM
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8. I used to work for Royal Mail
and believe me the last people I would want handling my vote are postal workers!
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