"Eye witness account" of stolen election. Hmmm... check this out

[jamboi]

What do y'all make of this?

"While employed at Wong Enterprises, Congressman Feeney had requested if Wong could write a voting program that could alter the vote and be undetectable. As the technology advisor, I explained that as long as the source code was provided and complied under supervision, code which altered the vote and was undetectable could not be built. Another problem would be that no one would trust a program that provided for no paper trail to substantiate its accuracy. When the vote was flipped the paper trail could easily detect the fraud."

The basic story:
http://www.justaflyonthewall.com/votefraud.html

Documentation:
http://www.justaflyonthewall.com/Documentation.htm

Pages from the book:
http://www.justaflyonthewall.com/BookIndex.htm

Front page:
http://www.justaflyonthewall.com/

[whalerider55]

1. whoa

double whoa. this is either a smoking gun, or a guy smoking crack. i tend to go the former.

thanks

whalerider55

[Helga Scow Stern]

2. Very interesting...........n/t.

Interesting in suggesting economic boycotts as a main strategy. That requires numbers and publicity and passion just as much as marching in the streets.
So getting the word out is still the most important thing.

[warbly]

3. Feeney

was the creep who announced that the Florida legislature would certify Bush's electors regardless of the result of the recount.
This is Fascism.
How can we make the democrats understand they are are being robbed? It makes me sick to see kos and atrios etc avoiding this issue and talking about "moral values", wondering how they can tweak their message. What is it going to take to wake the dems up?

[Cherie59]

5. I agree with you 100%!!!!!!!!!!

It's not about having a platform of "moral values"
it's about voter fraud!

[The Backlash Cometh]

31. I wonder if he's the guy who tried to fix the 2000 election?

OH, man. I wish this were true. Not jut George, but Feeney would be in big trouble.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

45. is he the 18181 guy?

[jamboi]

52. What is 18181 a reference to? Explain please. n/t

[rainbow4321]

53. It was from a Texas county election in 2002,

Least that is what I think it's about:


http://blog.democrats.com/node/886

<snip>

In 2002 we had 5 Republicans candidates winning the elections by the miracle number of 18,181!!! Who won by 18181 votes in 2002 election?


DANNY SCHEEL (Texas): 18,181 votes (Comol County)
CARTER CASTEEL (Texas): 18,181 votes (Comol Country)
JEFF WENTWORTH (Texas): 18,181 votes (Comol County)
CANDICE MILLER (Michigan): 18,181 Votes (Lapeer County)
MICHAEL SMIGIEL (Maryland): 18,181 Votes (St. Anne's)
All five won and all five Republicans.

<snip>

[errorbells]

65. New Braunfels, TX... LOOK OUT!

They are on high alert....:nuke:


http://www.co.comal.tx.us/EOC.htm

home of said judge SCHEEL

perhaps the Czechs are out of balance :scared:

[newyawker99]

43. Hi warbly!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Terre]

4. Buy the book????

And then what?

I did not read all the page links you provided, simply because the "Buy the Book" immediately turned me off.

If he knows something, or someone that does, why the heck isn't he shouting it from the rooftops instead?

[momzno1]

7. he said he sent the information but nobody would pay attention

to it. It seems legit. Some of the documents had Volusia County connections, and we all know that his premise that it is EASY to write a code to cheat, especially if you can make the source code a proprietary secret is correct. Maybe someone should send this to Wayne Marsden

[rdmccur]

24. Madsen

Definitely send to Wayne!

[jamboi]

10. Maybe they found people don't value things they are handed for free??n/t

[SueZhope]

YES you got it!!

I did not read it..I thought the same thing , they can make a few bucks
to buy there book..

why did they not report this to thew world?

[jamboi]

17. I wondered about the book thing too. But he IS trying to get the word out

so I don't fault him there. Publishing it on the web to begin w/ is a big risk.

[The Backlash Cometh]

32. He may have. Don't you remember the Floridia congressman

who had information for the FBI after the election? Maybe this was the proof?

[flyarm]

39. JEFF FISHER IS NOT A CONGRESSMAN...

HE RAN FOR CONGRESS AND LOST...FROM FLA HERE!

[buzzard]

34. Exactly

[jamboi]

38. .

[jamboi]

42. .

[jamboi]

66. .

[stella2cat]

6. the typewriter font sort of puts me off, I'd like to see more

convincing evidence. As a programmer/analyst, I could have written the same story. And who's Wong?

[jamboi]

16. Do you mean on the votefraud.html page? Yeah I didn't care for that font

either. Did you check the code? Or the documentation? There's a lot there to examine.

[stella2cat]

23. I don't see the code, just a link for downloading the program

did you find the code somewhere? It wouldn't matter much anyway, there are a zillion ways to code fraud into the software

[JustAFlyOnTheWall]

54. Code Now Posted

The code is now posted on the votefraudprogram page. Open in VB.

[catnhatnh]

8. Nope

...I trust and watch for your posts Jamboi,but this one just doesn't get it...Sorry

[momzno1]

9. why, pray tell, not?????????!

this is VERY logical in my opinion

[KaliTracy]

14. then why doesn't he/she

submit evidence to get the $200,000 reward?

[jamboi]

18. Maybe he should! n/t

[shraby]

12. He has the program he wrote

on the site. Anyone who understands programs want to look at it?

[jamboi]

I'm putting it out there for all of us to evaluate.More eyeballs=>truth nt

[ahyums]

11. why try and sell a book though? this is far too important just to make

money on? if he really has something like this why not publish fully online?

[GetTheRightVote]

13. I am very afraid of all this being true

[carolinalady]

15. This person needs to testify to the GAO. n/t

[w13rd0]

19. That's not a program...

...that's someone playing around with visual basic.

[jamboi]

20. Its a proto-type (frequently rapidly developed in something like VB)

(edited again) Okay, so it shifts votes from one column to another and can be switched w/ a hidden switch. I could buy that. Vote shifting is exactly one of the problems we seem to be dealing with. Hmmm...

[w13rd0]

22. Psuedo-code

would be generous. If this individual was getting paid to program, and he presented this modified "Hello World" thing, I want to know who was paying him, so I can rip them off too.

[jamboi]

26. See my revised post above... n/t

[w13rd0]

30. You don't even have to build that bias in...

...I've posted before about this. It's a fairly standard touch screen calibration trick. Imagine a box, divide it into fifths. Upon initialization of the system, you have to touch the center of the box, and each corner, to "align/calibrate" the screen, and then touch the center again. Want the hits to bias to the entries on the top of the screen, touch a little lower than center on both the center calibrates. All sorts of ways you can distort that box. Technically, you could even calibrate it so it doesn't register touches in any one or two of the quadrants at all. A hit in area A,B,C or D is registered as D by using a high left centerpoint, and defining the top right, top left and bottom left just a touch in those directions respective to the centerpoint. Etc.

[JustAFlyOnTheWall]

55. That's all it takes to flip the vote

The dinky little program is all it takes to flip the vote. Since the vote only tallies the totals there are less than 100 values that need to be tracked. By putting the candidate info into an array of lbl boxes, you need only track which lbl's were selected and add 1 to the total saved in the DB. A user will submit approximately every five minutes so updating would be easy even on an old 8088. Code is now posted on the VoteFraudProgram page, although multiple screens would utilize an additional field that defined what race each candidate was in. That would be sorted and played against a table defining what order the election supervisor wanted the raced shown. Candidate lbls that had no candidate would be flipped to invisible. In theory it works exactly like the old punch cards where every candidate has a number associated to it. The only difference is that the storage is electronic and no paper trail exists.

[mikelewis]

21. You know, I love democracy and I am willing to boycot but

I will not stop buying Winstons. Screw it. If it means a tyrranical regime and abject poverty, so be it. There are limits to what I am willing to do and the thought of never again tearing the plastic wrap and tin foil from a pack of golden Winston Lights has reached the limit of what I am willing to do. Sorry guys. The rest of those items, I knew about them and have already began spreading the word. Fuck em, but please, don't take my Winstons. Please.

[NVMojo]

25. Fuuuuuuuuuuuu-gck!!!

[kc.ink]

27. Calling all geeks, hackers and crackers. . . . . . . .

[Straight Shooter]

28. This doesn't pass the smell test

Try doing an Internet search for "Tom Feeney" and "Wong Enterprises." All you get is this guy's writings and a couple other tangential sites.

Notice that he never mentions "Tom" Feeney, from what I saw. Nor does he mention Florida on the page I looked at.

For a self-described programmer, his "votefraud" page is pitiful to read.

He's playing mind games, IMHO.

[jamboi]

33. Did you get to check the documentation? n/t

[jamboi]

49. Turns out that Wong is a psuedonym. n/t

[The Backlash Cometh]

35. There is a Wong Enterprises, Inc. in Bradenton.

Look it up in the Florida Division of Corporations. I have no idea if it's the same one.

http://ccfcorp.dos.state.fl.us/

[JustAFlyOnTheWall]

56. Yes the person is Tom Feeney

Florida Congressman from district 24

[Blue in the face]

29. The GOP already on top of it

This from a Volusia County Freeper. Either Clint has credibility issues or he's been the victim of yet another GOP smear campaign.

http://www.informedvolusian.com/2004/08_18_04%20Missive/NJRegistrtions.html

"Recently, the family owned, Democratic run News-Journal ran a series of stories based on unsubstantiated accusations of a person who has run afoul of taking his employer's software.

This individual, Clint Curtis, was found by a circuit judge to have violated three laws against stealing intellectual property and was, amusingly enough through the News-Journal, calling into question the ethics of a 10-year public servant, Tom Feeney, who had no history of complaints until he announced he wanted to serve in Congress.

Curtis, who has never cleared the judge's injunction of him, leaves little doubt he was guilty. It is not too far fetched, under the circumstances, to believe Curtis is not really disgruntled but may be a puppet for Democratic operatives looking for any size wrench - worthwhile or not - to throw into Feeney's dynamic run for Congress.

Based on these N-J stories and apparently without reading the court documents and finding any evidence of Feeney's lobbying the FDOT, the Volusia County Democratic Party Vice-Chairman (Richard Martinez), whether individually or prompted by higher party officials, filed an ethics complaint against Tom Feeney. (Notice Giorno is staying clear of doing it himself and that Wayne Bailey is not saying diddly-squat and is at arm's length as well.)

The Democratic family owned paper, along with individuals that courts have found guilty of civil actions that can be prosecuted criminally, creates an allegation about Tom Feeney that has no basis in fact.

With this series of articles, the Democrat family owned newspaper using Zuckerman as the expendable, ignores the Society of Professional Journalists' Code of Ethics (e.g., “Distinguish between advocacy and news reporting. Analysis and commentary should be labeled and not misrepresent fact or context.” “Avoid conflicts of interest, real or perceived.” “Remain free of associations and activities that may compromise integrity or damage credibility.” “Disclose unavoidable conflicts.” “Deny favored treatment to advertisers and special interests and resist their pressure to influence news coverage.”

______________________________

I'm not saying that we shouldn't believe what he's written, I am saying that anything he finds is going to have that nice little GOP attack piece automatically attached to it. There's definitely been some history here already. We'll need proof...

[The Backlash Cometh]

36. I see right through them.

Methinks they protest too much.

[Blue in the face]

37. Re: Methinks they protest too much

"I see right through them."

Yes, but you have a blue-state mentality. You need to figure out how to explain it to a red-stater in small soundbites, lol...

[ClintCooper2003]

40. Email it to everyone!

[elare]

41. Kick

[newyawker99]

44. Hi elare!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Shalom]

46. Another Example of a "Combination Lock" Scan

The thread below (on 2004 Voting Results Forum) was titled:

Food For Fraud Thought" on Machine Fraud (RE Madsen theory)

Clearly, there are differences and similarites between gaming machines (such as slots) and different types of voting "machines".

We must be careful to distinguish between actual voting machines, and those computer systems used for tabulation. The actual voting machines are not hooked up to modems, while the tabulation systems are. Since the manipulation of tabulation computers has been discussed in some depth, this message focuses on stand alone systems. A scenario for fixing stand alone machines is discussed below, with the conclusion that it is unlikely. As such, this method of hacking is considered highly unlikely. It is offered as "food for fraud thought" for others, as it might stimulate some thinking along other lines.

The manipulation of stand-alone gaming machines is proven ; a good example is the murder of Larry Volk (killer confessed after Christian conversion) cited below. In this case, the "cheating code" must be preloaded with, and hidden within, the "honest code". The possibilities here are endless: a simple example is to add a vote for Bush for every 20 votes for Kerry. This is very crude, easy to detect, and not very flexible.

A more elegant way to hack stand-alone machines is to embed some code that is only invoked by a special entry sequence, somewhat like a combination lock. For example, if and only if the "voter" clicked on the Bush icon and then hit reset 3 times, and then clicked on the Kerry icon and hit reset 5 times, the computer would react as if Bush received 256 votes.

Without access to actual code in the machine, it is impossible to detect if such hidden "features" are in the machine. On the other hand, if this scam were perpetrated, there are hundreds if not thousands of machines sitting around now with the stealth code still embedded in them. It would require a fair number of agents who would have to be trained to rig the votes, and any one of them could blow the whistle on the whole operation. machines. It would likely result in a large disparity within a precinct from one machine to the other. As mentioned above, this particular scenario is not very plausible.

An alternate way to fix the machines is to have a "combination lock" that allows both the addition of votes as described above, as well as a way to accept votes after the polls have closed (are entries time-stamped ?) Then one could have enough lockdowns at polling places to allow a few poll workers to add votes to the machines, and then print and sign new tapes. This may be what Bev Harris witnessed in process.


Does anyone out there have other ideas ???

A Blogger looks at the relationship between gaming & voting machines July 1, 2004

http://www.rojisan.com/blog/2004/07/american_coin_vs_di...

american coin vs diebold
(excerpt)
Back in december, i left myself a note to do some homework and make this comparison... with the election now just five months away, i guess it's time to get this on the record. this won't be as fully-developed as i might've hoped, but that's what comments and links are about. the comparison between slot machines and voting machines has been made before, but i wanted to tie the two companies together in a sort of risk-assesment way.

In 1990, larry volk was killed shortly before he was to give testimony on how he programmed video gaming (as in gambling) machines for american coin - programmed them to cheat. nearly a decade later, the story got hot again with the confession of his killer. the story is great stuff for crime drama and mafia stories, and that's been covered well already, but that's not what interests me.

[ExCiber]

47. In my not so humble

but professional opinion I think you have some guy trying to sell a book.

The 'Code' presented at that site is nothing more than a VB (version 5) program that really does nothing more than swap two numbers. It has NO relation to real operating BBV code and is a program that I would expect that ANY 10 year old VB kid could do.

[jamboi]

48. What do you think about my post #20? n/t

[ExCiber]

50. You were spot on about VB

But doing something like that is hardly undetectable.

Assuming the author has enough inside information the best way to do the vote switch would be to load a service as part of the install with a hidden switch hooked into the original program.

Use C++ or Delphi, totally self contained code and not part of the original source.

The demo on that site is a big nothing.

[jamboi]

51. Hmmm... but a prototype is just to demo a principle, not show exactly

how the end result would work. Your idea is elegant and could be along the lines of the the actual implementation. Doesn't his demo illustrate his point adequately? It seems to me it does at least that.

[JustAFlyOnTheWall]

58. Not the specs

Writing a seperate class would definitely be better from a programming perspective. The problem is that the code had to be contained in a single exe with no additional libraries that were not standard. It also had to be hashed so that the tested code could not morph during execution. It was not brought up but as a spec but I would guess that services would be checked.

The dinky little program is all it takes to flip the vote. Since the vote only tallies the totals there are less than 100 values that need to be tracked. By putting the candidate info into an array of lbl boxes, you need only track which lbl's were selected and add 1 to the total saved in the DB. A user will submit approximately every five minutes so updating would be easy even on an old 8088. Code is now posted on the VoteFraudProgram page, although multiple screens would utilize an additional field that defined what race each candidate was in. That would be sorted and played against a table defining what order the election supervisor wanted the raced shown. Candidate lbls that had no candidate would be flipped to invisible. In theory it works exactly like the old punch cards where every candidate has a number associated to it. The only difference is that the storage is electronic and no paper trail exists.

[jamboi]

59. JAFOTW R U the same person as justaflyonthewall.com? n/t

[JustAFlyOnTheWall]

60. Yes

[jamboi]

62. Hot dang! How far are you able to step forward? n/t

[jamboi]

64. RU also Brad Menfil?

See discussion
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=201&topic_id=6409

[jamboi]

67. Tried your e-mail from your web site, but it bounced back. When you've

posted 16 messages here you'll have access to the private mail function here and then you can exchange DU mail here. As of this posting you only have 6, so I can't send anything to you yet via that method.

[JustAFlyOnTheWall]

57. Swapping numbers is what counts

The dinky little program is all it takes to flip the vote. Since the vote only tallies the totals there are less than 100 values that need to be tracked. By putting the candidate info into an array of lbl boxes, you need only track which lbl's were selected and add 1 to the total saved in the DB. A user will submit approximately every five minutes so updating would be easy even on an old 8088. Code is now posted on the VoteFraudProgram page, although multiple screens would utilize an additional field that defined what race each candidate was in. That would be sorted and played against a table defining what order the election supervisor wanted the raced shown. Candidate lbls that had no candidate would be flipped to invisible. In theory it works exactly like the old punch cards where every candidate has a number associated to it. The only difference is that the storage is electronic and no paper trail exists.

[rdmccur]

61. Madsen

I think you and jamboi should be talking to Madsen. See if there's any connections with what he knows.

[jamboi]

63. Excellent idea. Get right on it... n/t