My mail to Keith Olbermann

[Jersey Devil]

Dear Keith:

I don't know what all the fuss is about re your comments about Bev Harris. I think you were right on two counts: First, if you are going to grandstand as Harris did you have to be ready to back up your claims or be thereafter considered just an attention seeking huckster; second: Her failure to produce the vote tapes and the dumpster video will only enhance tinfoil hat claims regarding the entire investigation of voting irregularities and further suggestions that she may have aspirations to be the next Michael Moore. (At least that's what I think you were saying).

So even though you probably have received more than a few burning emails from DUers I thought you'd like to know that for those of us with our AFDBs (aluminum foil deflector beanies - http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html ) firmly in place you are making a lot of sense.

[tbuddha]

1. My letter to Keith Olbermann

I don't think Bev can show you the tapes due to the upcoming lawsuit. We need a fair trial in Florida and with all due respect to your show, we just plain don't trust your network. Hell, I watched HardBall last night and he had 2 guests on to talk about the recount. That usually means there is a point/counterpoint debate forum. Instead it was just two people saying how useless a recount is. Huh? It sounds like your network is trying to stifle things. Why should we trust GE?

We DO trust the integrity of the Florida Supreme Court, and we'd like to let them see the tapes first.

Jeremy

[Jersey Devil]

3. Why would that be? There is no gag order

Heck, lawyers show their evidence all the time when there is no gag order. The only time you don't show it is when you want to bluff the other side into thinking you have something that maybe you don't so that they will make inculpatory statements that are far worse than the evidence you have. If Bev really doesn't have the goods while leading everyone to think she does then Keith is right again.

[el_gato]

6. but then you don't know, do you?

[tbuddha]

9. Because putting it on the show opens them to argument

Why bother? Let's save them for a friendly forum, like the Florida Supreme Court. LOL...The repukes HATE that idea coz there ain't shit they can do about it.

[Jersey Devil]

12. It would take weeks or months for the Fla Supremes to see them

Besides, they would first have to be seen in a trial court. The supreme court of any state is not somewhere you can produce evidence for the first time and then have the judges rule on the weight and credibility they will give the evidence. That is for a trial court. Appellate courts to not have trials, they only review trials or act in the first instance cases where there is no real dispute over evidence.

Weeks or months = inauguration = nothing accomplished.

[tbuddha]

13. WRONG AGAIN! Were you there in 2000??

The courts set dates for these things at their discretion. Are you a law expert now? Can you tell me how long it took for the FL Supreme Court to get the case in 2000? When it comes to election fraud, they can reschedule. They will because they are DEMS.

[Jersey Devil]

14. Yes I am a law expert

I have been practicing trial and appellate law for over 30 years.

You do not produce evidence for the first time in a supreme court anywhere.

The case in 2000 had no questions of fact for a trial court to decide. The facts were agreed upon. It was only a question of law to be decided.

[tbuddha]

15. I never said release tapes for the first time in FSC

Just not in the MSM. I DON'T think it would take months to go from one court to the next.

[Jersey Devil]

16. Yes you did

"Let's save them for a friendly forum, like the Florida Supreme Court"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x102357#102389

So where would you show them for the first time then?

[tbuddha]

19. You misunderstood me then

I know there is a process and that you can't just go straight to the Supreme Court right away. They didn't in 2000 either. You start with the lower court first. What I meant in an abbreviated way was to save this for the courts rather them put the info on MSM where it will get slandered.


I want to win this. Why are you trying to slander Bev, or me?

[Jersey Devil]

21. Hmm? I am not trying to slander anyone - I just want some credibility for

the vote fraud issue and clearly Bev has been painted into a corner. Either she shows the evidence or she will be written off by the media as a kook to be ignored.

She says she has the evidence but won't show it. So how is calling for her to release it slander?

BTW, I am sure she views this site all the time and could have jumped in here anytime she wanted to to straighten this out. She's done it before or had someone jump in on her behalf. Why the silence?

[Ducks In A Row]

29. because she's busy? because she's building the case?

because she doesn't own us anything except to expose the fraud and get it to court and get the officals who committed the fraud arrested and jailed.

[theboss]

23. This isn't 2000

You aren't going to get emergency hearings and expedited review and such. The courts are not going to speed up their time table for Bev Freakin' Harris. Discovery on any case that she brings wouldn't even start until next summer at the earliest, I would imagine.

[tbuddha]

26. yes, this is an honest point

HOWEVER, that is how Kerry is fighting lately. He would wait for it to get to that point, then throw in his weight.

[Ducks In A Row]

28. people are attacking Bev for doing things correctly

they forget she's been doing this for awhile.

Look at what she's done, and in coutinuing to do, in California.

[Darknyte7]

7. Valid point, however...

there has to be a compromise position here...
What Keith said in his Blog last night had some merit to it. I've found myself quietly frustrated by the lack of information I've seen from BBV, and I've donated money to the organization! Bev most certainly has her reasons (some of which I've read} for going dark, but she is probably going too have to make a step toward opening a more direct dialog wit Keith. Perhaps someone here can facilitate opening a better line of communications between Keith & Bev.

Everyone take a breath though... Take a look around. Good things are happening!

[tbuddha]

10. FLORIDA SUPREME COURT PEOPLE!!

Ran by Democrats...let THEM see the tapes!

[theboss]

17. Huh?

You are just going to show up at the Supreme Court with a VCR? Do you understand how the legal process works?

[Jersey Devil]

18. Told him that but he won't listen

That's trial court stuff and another waste of maybe weeks at a minimum before they would even be considered to be shown.

[tbuddha]

20. not a VCR

We aren't talking about VIDEO tapes...the POLL tapes. They are like a roll of paper, like receipt tape.

[theboss]

22. So, we are going to march in the Supreme Court...

...and throw poll tapes at the justices then....

I would guess that any trial would not take place for at least a year. Any appeals wouldn't get to the Florida Supremes for at least three years, I would imagine. And in the meantime, I see such a case jumping between the federal and state level a few times.

By the time the Public sees this alleged evidence, Jeb Bush is going to be President.

[tbuddha]

25. not necessarily at all

we, as in Dems, have a lot of friends in the Florida judicial system

[Carolab]

2. THANKS

my sentiments exactly.

[cyn2]

4. Me too!

I agree with you, and I sent him a letter along the same lines. What I noticed on DU was that people who were holding doubts about Bev's communications to us and the world felt able to express them after KO's blog entry. However, I feel the need to say that I respect the tremendous work that she's done; I just wish she'd keep in touch more regularly.

Love that beanie site, it's the greatest!
http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html

Thanks.

[Jersey Devil]

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[OmmmSweetOmmm]

5. Excellent letter, and I agree. n/t

[Maddy McCall]

8. Kudos for a well written letter.

You are one of the few who gets it. :toast:

[Shopaholic]

24. I wrote him a similar letter.

Don't get me wrong--I've donated to BBV for God's sake--but I've got legit questions and I can see where he's coming from on this 100%.

[Jersey Devil]

27. Agreed - it is not a question of Bev or BBV

It is simply a question of proper tactics and helping establish credibility for vote fraud issues. This issue is not about Bev or BBV or Olbermann but much bigger than that. My opinion is that Olbermann's blog was begging her to come on the show. Her response, challenging him to a duel, was the wrong one. Hopefully she will see that and do the right thing - call KO and tell him she wants to be on the show.