Setting aside disagreements, is it smart to bite the only hand feeding us?

[smartvoter]

I was disappointed to see the battle is still on over this. I happen to think Olbermann made sense, but regardless of where you stand, please consider this:

Like anyone, he is entitled to his opinion. Most importantly, he also is the only person in the media giving a voice to ours.

But putting this in terms of practicality, is it useful to turn on him when he has been the only media person carrying the flag, even as other media and celebrities ridicule him for it?

Can we at least agree to be remotely strategic about some of this?

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

1. You're in the wrong place if you're preaching pragmatism.

Cuz you won't find any here.

[The Backlash Cometh]

2. There is a point in every organization when counter-productive

activity can destroy the organization. I think that DU is almost there. Is it possible to list names of those people who are causing the worst damage and just blocking them in mass?

I don't blame Olberman for being a little anxi. But I also know that in this world, before you go on national t.v. and put yourself in the direct path of Rove, you had better dot your i's and cross your t's. So, I'm not adverse to giving Bev more time since, afterall, this is her project. I also don't have a problem if she makes money in the process and I question any Dem who would hold that against her.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

3. It seems that all of this insanity is without point

I think Olbermann made some good points, but we need to stop second guessing Bev before she even has a chance to respond. It's painfully counter productive. If some people are not satisfied after her response, then fine.

As for Bev turning some cash on this endeavor, it's fine by me. I only care about the end product, not Bev's pocketbook.

[smartvoter]

4. That's a separate issue over slamming Olbermann.

I just don't understand why so many out here turn on people, including each other, who are not in 100% agreement with them. There is very limited tolerance and that will get us nowhere.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

10. I was not and have not slammed Olbermann

I said I thought he made some good points. I also think we need him and I am not dissatisfied with the coverage he has given to date.

As for the rest of my post it was in reply to The Backlash Cometh.

I am of the mindset that there is no debate without two or more peoples opinions. Since only one of the parties involved have made a statement so far it's foolish to try and argue a point. The slamming of Olbermann is premature and counterproductive.

[smartvoter]

11. Agreed. Wholeheartedly.

[tbuddha]

5. now that is good thinking

I am a lot more agggressive in my statements, but you summed it up very well

[sce56]

6. I think you have to take it all with a grain of salt

First off Bev has been working real hard to uncover the workings of them there Black Box Bandits and has she tried to make money off her book that is available to d/l for free??
Second putting on my :tinfoilhat: look at how Keith must be feeling the pressure after all just the other day his main supporter (His boss) was in a plane crash that took his sons life! If you look at a lot of the conspiracy type of tales out there death by plane crash has happened a lot to people that might have been ready to blow the cover off things or plain old knew to much! Remember the Ides of Oct when the News media was attacked by Anthrax weak but still it was the real thing also the Opposition Daschel & Leheay were attacked with highly toxic, KILLED two Postal workers, weaponized form of the bug! Remember she was on CNN the other day they let her say what ONE Sentence? also remember that there is always an announcement before an AlQaida attack, is one imminent? :tinfoilhat:
Caution is RIGHT after all with all of the publicity starting to leak out about the possible rigging of the election the only way for them to fight back would be to have a reason to declare Martial Law! Didn't we just receive a threat from Bin Ladens partner! Those types are usually followed up with an attack!


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[AmyCrat]

7. I concur :)

[Sideways]

8. Of Course You Would

I mean with all of the hard work done so constructively the two of you have engaged in since joining DU. It is so refreshing to see such zeal from newcomers.

[smartvoter]

9. What is your problem?

[Sideways]

12. I'm Sorry You'll Have To Lend Me Your Clue Phone

I don't know of what you speak.

[smartvoter]

14. Then I'll take it at face value. Thank you for the vote of confidence.

It is much appreciated.

[PATRICK]

13. The support for a journalist should be

his own reliance upon the naked truth. It is his sparring over the story person's attitude that is unprofessional. he knows the game that Bev simply doesn't have time to play. If the best he can do is a partial job he shouldn't lose his cool with someone with a lot more hands on work and needs more media attention than this insufficient rationing rationalized.

There are a lot of willing journalists who would cover this and be our "friends" but can't. But I would think the higher ups in the food chain like Olberman are pretty satisfied that this kind of media is professional and a public service. The exception proves the rule, but I doubt they get it at all. Since this is the best we can get I think we should hardly be effusive about the small niche we are allowed in the public electronic forums. Certainly the other side never ceases browbeating and cursing the liberal media no matter how well it actually performs in their mad interests.

We hardly do that. It is just appalling they can barely ever rise up to do their simple job and we should cheer on a basement team like the American national media. I think most of our Dem leadership has been neutered trying to reason, support and win fair treatment in that dismal world. I think they go along with that insane club of circular lies. Why do we have to when the truth at least looks potentially more effective a tool?

[rehema]

15. kick

[pointsoflight]

16. I completely agree. The arguments here are only dividing us.

Please think about the bigger issue we're fighting for, and set aside these personal opinions of Keith vs. Bev so that we don't in any way damage the cause. I think we can all agree that it would be a bad thing if Keith got sick of the criticism and moved on to different issues. I also think we can all agree that it would be a bad thing if Bev got sick of the criticism and went home, or stopped giving us any information about what she's doing. Either or both are real possibilities. What a shame that would be to hurt our own cause due to infighting on lesser issues.

[smartvoter]

19. Yes, it would be a shame.

But look around. It's still happening...

[LoZoccolo]

17. No, which is my problem with Bev. n/t

[KoKo]

18. It's not a matter of "turning on KO" it's his Employer that's the problem

It's easy to jump on an Olberman Bandwagon forgetting that he isn't a reporter, and he isn't a journalist in the true sense of the word. And, how many reporters and so called journalists today seem to have any ethics or standards that are consistent today anyway? Just taking copy off AP or the Reuter's Wire Services and calling a few folks so you can quote them, is what passes for journalistm or reporting in newspapers today, and forget the Cables. They just pass along the talking points from Rove, RW Think Tanks and the same newswire services as the Newspapers.

Only a little more than a handful of investigative journalist/reporters are out there digging away. And, we DU'ers know most of them because they are the only folks who've discovered anything about the Bushies.

We shouldn't put all our hopes on Olberman, it's not fair to him to put him in that position because he will have to push harder to have the RW on if we pump him too much. The Fox folks will start to call him "Lefty Keith" and descredit him. He's up against the same thing we Democrats are. And, we need to keep in our minds that he will not "lead us to a promised land of TRUTH." I appreciate what he has done, because no one else is doing it, but we shouldn't expect more than he's able to give. And, we have to call him on it when he makes statements which might not be correct. :shrug: