great post from daily Kos on actionable fraud in 2004 election

[november3rd]

Maybe someone has posted it on DU already, but just in case, this is a must read.

Major Tom has analyzed (at length) the history of disputed Presidential elections, the specific problems in 2004, how they are justifiable cause for DEMANDING resolution.

He makes a strong argument that we have a good case and MUST ACT NOW to prevent a loss of our democratic rights.

What gets him over the top for me is this litany which I call, "twenty lashes":

Absolute Proof--Nonsense!

So to all those who demand absolute proof, I once again state that absolute proof of fraud (or a smoking gun) is not needed at this point in the proceedings. However, for those who still want to hear about some quite definitive fraud, please consider the following:

(1) That when voting officials tell the voting public that they have counted all ballots, when they have in fact tossed huge batches of ballots in the trash canisters, then that is actionable fraud.

(2) That when voting officials tell the voting public that they have counted all ballots, when they have in fact loaded huge batches of ballots in the back of a pickup truck that just happens to have a pro-Bush sticker on it, then that is actionable fraud.

(3) That when voting officials tell the voting public that they have turned over all official voting tallies, when they have in fact tossed some official vote tallies that they said didn't exist into trash containers, then that is actionable fraud.

(4) That when voting officials state that they have turned over all official records pursuant to an appropriate Freedom of Information Request (FOIR), when they have in fact not done so, then that is actionable fraud.

(5) That when voting officials secret or destroy public voting records in order to conceal it from the public, then that is actionable fraud.

(6) That when voting officials dissemble anything of significant import concerning an election, then that is actionable fraud.

(7) That when voting officials intentionally give the voting public wrong information about who can or cannot vote in an election, then that is actionable fraud.

(8) That when voting officials intentionally give the voting public wrong information concerning where a person can or cannot vote, then that is actionable fraud.

(9) That when voting officials intentionally give the voting public wrong information about who can or cannot register to vote in an election, then that is actionable fraud.

(10) That when individuals, under the color of authority, accept voter registrations from members of the voting public and promise to bring them to the Registrar of Voters, but instead tear them up or throw them away, then that is actionable fraud.

(11) That when members of the opposing party give the voting public wrong information about who can or cannot vote in an election, then that is actionable fraud.

(12) That when members of the opposing party give the voting public wrong information about where a person can or cannot vote in an election, then that is actionable fraud.

(13) That when members of the opposing party give the voting public wrong information about when a person can or cannot vote in an election, then that is actionable fraud.

(14) That when members of the opposing party tell the voting public that they will be arrested for overdue parking tickets at the polling site when they vote, then that is actionable fraud.

(15) That when voting officials tell the voting public that they do not have any additional machines to put on site, when they know there are another 87 of them sitting in their warehouse, then that is actionable fraud.

(16) That when Blackwell states in a media interview that there were only a few minor problems during the Ohio election, when he knows the statement to be completely false and untrue, then that is actionable fraud.

(17) That when voting officials tell the voting public that they have enough voting machines on site, when they know that they do not, then that is actionable fraud.

(18) That when voting officials tell the voting public that they have sent out by mail, as per individual request, 50,000 absentee ballots, when in fact they did not, then that is actionable fraud.

(19) That when voting officials hide from the voting public the fact that they have thrown out thousands of provisional ballots, then that is actionable fraud.

(20) When voting machine manufacturers actively hide the fact that their key people who generate the secrets codes for their voting machines and tabulators are convicted embezzlers, hackers and felons, then that is ACTIONABLE FRAUD.

[smartvoter]

1. Kick.

[Demit]

2. your link is funky--here's how your URL reads:

http://http//einsteinia.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/30/185532/75

Here's how I got to it:
http://www.einsteinia.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/30/185532/75

Good info!

[texpatriot2004]

3. Dupe here's the link to the other thread on this topic

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=95878&mesg_id=95878

[november3rd]

7. that's the list

thanks.

[Solitaire]

4. interesting, post...

but, the link doesn't work and not sure where it's from.

Also, do we have absolute proof of #2? Or any of the others?

Sorry, not positive what is definite and what is hear-say, etc.

:)

[OKthatsIT]

5. I wonder what Orgs threw out registration applications in Ohio

for so many to show up at the polls only to find they were not on the precinct list.

Testimonials should be gathered from those voters who obtained provisional ballots, never knowing if their vote counted. When the election board rejected the ballot because they couldnt find the reg. application...i have to ask why.

Of course, it might have been a convenient way to gather Dem registration applications in order to throw them out....

Oh, of course, as was done in Florida, applications barely got back in time to be prcessed OR were never sent out to the voters.

These are important points for investigation. Those organizations who claimed to be nonpartisan should be exposed.

[november3rd]

6. link ok now

you have to wait a second for it to load over there, but i just checked it. it works ok now.

[rehema]

8. kick