Newsweek article on Rove - more support for vote fraud?

[tex-wyo-dem]

Picked up the latest issue of Newsweek where they have an article about how Rove orchestrated the Bush "win" (sans fraud of course).

If you can control your gag reflexes, I would recommend reading just to get a sense of what we're up against.

In any case, the article gives a breakdown of before and after Rove/Bush stats and something jumped out at me big time:

Article claims:

Bush gained 10 points in cities (Dem 54 - Rep 45 in 2004 vs. Dem 61 - Rep 35 in 2000) - I find that hard to believe since cities tend to be more left leaning even with the terrorism issue.

Bush gained 3 points in suburbs (Dem 47 - Rep 52 2004 vs. Dem 47 - 49 2000) - So where did they get the extra 3 points, from independents (former Nader or Lib voters)? I find that hard to believe since the Dem's percentage didn't move at all.

Bust lost 5 points in rural areas (Dem 42 - Rep 57 2004 vs. Dem 37 - Rep 59 2000) - Say what?!?! Are you telling me that Kerry, a "liberal" senator from the northeast, picked up a whopping 5 points in the ultra conservative, God fearing, gun toting, terrorist killin', blood red rural areas? I grew up in Wyoming and have lived in the country most of my life and can tell you that if Kerry can PICK UP 5 points in the rural areas his LOSING 10 points in cities seems unbelievable, unless...can you say FRAUD!

If someone were to skim and flip votes in favor of Bush, you probably wouldn't touch the rural areas since a.) they're in the bag for you anyway and b.) the lower vote counts would make any changes in tallies more noticeable. Your concentration, of course, would be first in the densely populated urban areas (+10pts) and select suburban areas (+3). You would also deploy the more advanced voting technologies to the high population areas.

Thoughts?

[fertilizeonarbusto]

1. OK, that's it

They DID steal it. No way he improved his numbers in cities. The gain in suburbs is not enough. AND he actually LOST ground in the sticks? COME ON! This just defies all logic and every bit of "conventional wisdom" thrown at us since the election. I mean, where's all those rural voters that went and voted for him on values? You mean to tell me that the inner city working class suddenly discovered their love of Chimpy? OK, now I'm convinced. THEY STOLE IT.

[tk2kewl]

2. i find the rural swing amazing

in my mind it is definitely illogical that he would lose votes in rural areas but gain votes in urban areas.

seems to me that if he was losing support to the tune 5% in rural areas he would be losing >5% in urban.

:shrug:

[fertilizeonarbusto]

3. And oddly enough

Where were most of the unverifiable machines deployed? Could it be urban areas? The reason that the Bush administration is so vehement about the Ukranian election being stolen is because they know a lot about that topic.

[RaulVB]

4. OK, I HAD IT!

Where do I start???

I HAVE DAMN NUMBERS RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY FACE THAT TELL ME KERRY DID GREAT IN OHIO'S URBAN CENTERS!

WTF is the matter with the morons working in Newsweek?

Is this article already published???

[tex-wyo-dem]

6. Yeah, the article is in this week's edition...

Not sure if it's on the web or not. Pick it up...numbers right there in black and white (actually blue and red). No way he would have gained support in cities while at the same time lose support of his stalwart country folk.

[RaulVB]

7. Can I be a Newsweek "reporter"?

Since those morons will print anything!

That piece is absolutely ridiculous.

[BlueDog2u]

5. Thank you

That's damned revealing. You are absolutely right. Those numbers stink to hell. There's no way they represent a real demographic voting trend.

[Peace Patriot]

15. More evidence to add to...

the already overwhelming case that Kerry won, and Bush Inc. stole it right away from him, AND from US, with several kinds of election fraud, but with the main fraud (and the basis of it all) occurring in the Republican-privately-owned and controlled central vote tabulation machine source code.

The reports referenced below corroborate a working hypothesis as follows:

1. They tweaked a couple of the '"red" states that were threatening to turn "blue" at the time of the election, to keep Bush competitive in the Electoral Vote (wherever detection had been minimized, f.i., in no paper trail precincts);

2. They stole %'s here and there, all over the map, to manufacture and to pad Bush's popular vote, likely even in big Kerry states where a few anomalous votes for Bush might not be noticed (and in big Kerry counties, as the Berkeley studied shows!--see below);

3. The goal: to make it SEEM like it all comes down to OH (or FLA) where lots of prep had been done in vote suppression, to keep it close, and where Republican election officials are in charge to control situations like the "provisional" ballots in OH--whereas the main portion of the fraud occurred way back upstream; and

4. (Unknown by observers on Nov.2) Sometime between 4pm and 6 pm, the TV networks began polluting the Exit Poll data showing a big Kerry win with the Republican-controlled electronic "results," hiding the big Kerry numbers in the Exit Polls and making it appear that Bush was winning BOTH in the Exit Polls and in the electronic "results." (Note: This is why there was no Ukaine-like reaction from Kerry voters in the U.S. The networks here did NOT disclose that they were mixing the data, so Kerry voters DIDN'T KNOW what the Exit Polls were saying.)

When you put all the data analysis together with other facts (the OH and FLA intense vote suppression against Dems, blacks and the poor, and the prime conditions for fraud--hackability of the electronic voting systems, Republican partisans owning the vote tabulation source code and holding it in secret, etc.), the above hypothesis is well-supported.

This Newsweek report that Bush gained votes in cities and lost them in rural areas is yet another red arrow pointing to entirely skewed results. Much more likely--given all the other evidence: Bush lost big in the cities, and ALSO lost some in rural areas.

The evidence so far:

(Expert reports on the impossibility of the Bush numbers in the Republican-controlled electronic vote tabulation vs. the Exit Polls which showed bigger Kerry numbers or a Kerry win in 10 of 11 states studied--and reversal in 4 of the states, OH, IA, NE and NM, with enough Electoral Votes to change the outcome:)

(The Freeman report:) http://www.buzzflash.com/alerts/04/11/The_unexplained_e...
(Freeman report update:) http://www.buzzflash.com/alerts/04/11/ale04090.html

(The Jonathan Simon-Alastair Thompson Report--47 state Exit Poll study, shift to Bush in 12 critical states--CO, FL, MI, MN, NE, NV, NH, NM, OH, PA, WI, IA:) http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00142.htm

(Expert report establishing that some 200,000-plus votes in three big FLA Democratic counties were very likely phantom votes for Bush or votes stolen from Kerry :)

(The Berkeley report:) http://ucdata.berkeley.edu / (scroll down to "Voting": "The Effects of Electronic Voting Machines...")

(Report on the impossibility of Bush big numbers in the Republican-controlled electronic vote tabulation vs. the absentee ballot vote (30% of the vote) which showed a much closer race--again, votes manufactured for Bush or stolen from Kerry--in NC:)

(The North Carolina report:)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x45003

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/12/233831/06

(More recently, Cobb-Greens have found--and Jesse Jackson has reported--the improbable numbers for a largely unknown Dem judicial candidate in Ohio, who pulled huge votes compared to Kerry, also in improbable precincts--don't have a url for this yet--got an email from Alliance for Democracy in OH.)

(04 Election in Ohio--massive vote suppression and irregularities:) http://www.dkosopedia.com/index.php/2004_Ohio_Irregularities

(many articles:) http://www.votersunite.org/news.asp

(Diebold hacking demonstration:) http://www.chuckherrin.com/hackthevote.htm

(on-going investigation, info on insecurity of e-voting:) http://www.blackboxvoting.org

(an amazing list of Election Fraud ’04 articles:) http://www.bopnews.com/archives/002328.html#2328

(excellent archive:) http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2004/995

(a dramatic explanation of the ’04 Exit Poll thing:)
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00142.htm

Other sites of interest:

(detailed info, analysis, discussion of everything - takes patience - see 2004 Election forum:) http://www.democraticunderground.com

(on-going recount news-OH, Nev, New Mex:) http://votecobb.org

(a great general resource:) http://en.wikipedia.org

Also: www.votersunite.org, www.verfiedvoting.org, www.commoncause.org, www.ballotintegrity.org, www.truevotemd.org, www.truthout.org, www.commondreams.org

As well as media blogs at :

Randi Rhodes, Janeane Garofola, Sam Seder and Mike Malloy of Air America (www.airamericaradio.com ).

Keith Olberman (MSNBC-Countdown). http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240

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http://www.thepen.us/e-fraud.html (--setup to send 3 letters at once to K/E, DNC and GAO)

[RaulVB]

8. Keep this kicked and please, post the link to the article if possible

Thanks!

[tex-wyo-dem]

10. I found the article online....

unfortuneately it doesn't have the stats and graphics shown in the print magazine. It's the Dec. 6 issue with "Memory Drugs" on the front.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6596809/site/newsweek/

[RaulVB]

11. Thanks!

Is written by Howard Fineman of course.

What a dumb bastard...

[latteromden]

9. Suburb numbers - I don't believe it

Bush gained 3 points in suburbs (Dem 47 - Rep 52 2004 vs. Dem 47 - 49 2000)

There's no way. There is absolutely no way. Here, in Minnesota, Kerry won a lot of the suburbs - Edina, Minnetonka, Hopkins, he even an a relatively close race in Maple Grove, and a Democrat competing in Maple Grove sends off little bells in my head.

I just don't believe it.

[tex-wyo-dem]

12. kick...myself

[AmyCrat]

13. article about suburban areas

Bush dominated in outer suburbs
http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041201/REPOSITORY/412010347/1013/NEWS03
<snip>---
WASHINGTON - The center of the Republican presidential coalition is moving toward the distant edges of suburbia.

In this month's election, President Bush carried 97 of the nation's 100 fastest-growing counties, most of them "exurban" communities that are rapidly transforming farmland into subdivisions and shopping malls on the periphery of major metropolitan areas.

Together, these fast-growing communities provided Bush a punishing 1.72 million vote advantage over Democrat John Kerry, according to a Los Angeles Times analysis of election results. That was almost half the president's total margin of victory.
---<snip>

[tex-wyo-dem]

14. So what this article is saying is the suburban areas...

pushed Bush over the top? Yet according to Newsweek he only gained 3% in these areas and there's that missing 3% from the 2000 numbers that were presumably independant candidate voters...where did they go?

This discrepency might be explained by population expansion in suburbia if you assume most of the newcomers are Bush voters, which is a stretch since most are transplants from more liberal cities.

But what about the rural vote? Maybe city folk are replacing all of the farmers and ranchers out in rural areas while corn farmers all of a sudden decided it would be a good idea to live in a high-rise in downtown Chicago <sarcasm>

Seriously, this defies voting patterns.

[k8conant]

16. Did you notice the two Ohio counties on the list?

"In Ohio, the two counties on the top 100 list - Warren, north of Cincinnati, and Delaware, north of Columbus - provided Bush a combined margin of nearly 67,000 votes, helping him overcome unprecedented Democratic turnout in Cleveland and the rest of Cuyahoga County."

[sandnsea]

19. Warren County

There is is again. That's the county with the lockdown, I'm pretty sure. That's the county where BOTH Bush & Kerry picked up the exact same percentage of votes; although Bush ended up with thousands more because there were more Repubicans to start with. I still think it is odd that the exact same percentage of Republicans & Democrats either moved to or registered to vote in one county.

[k8conant]

20. Statistics on Warren and Delaware Counties 2000 and 2004

I calculated the following from my data on the 2000 and 2004 elections in Delaware and Warren counties (unofficial counts for 2004):

......................2000..................................................2004
......................Bush..........Gore........Total...................Bush........Kerry.........Total
Delaware......36,639.........17,134......55,403..............52,237........26,491.......78,980
Warren.........48,318.........19,142......69,078..............66,523........25,399.......92,251
...D+W.........84,957.........36,276.....124,481............118,760........51,890.....171,231

Delaware......66.13%........31.86%............................66.14%........33.54%
Warren.........69.95%........28.38%............................72.11%........27.53%
....D+W........68.25%........29.92%............................69.36%........30.30%


Bush's margin in 2000 was 38.33% (68.25% Bush - 29.92% Gore)
Bush's margin in 2004 was 39.05% (69.36% Bush - 30.30% Kerry)
Thus the increase in margin was 0.72%

Bush's increase in % of total vote was 1.11%

These increases are less than the purported 3% cited in the article

[witchhazl]

17. I'll tell you what -- take a look at NH.

Those first numbers, about a * pickup in urban areas-- that's gotta put you in mind of the urban NH precincts that Nader just got counted. That was alarming, because the count seemed to confirm that * picked up support there, and conversely did more poorly in rural NH.

However-- that's NH, and that is one quirky, stubborn, independent little state. I might be alarmed that maybe he made some inroads in urban areas (but no 10%) -- but no way, no how can I believe he won while losing support in rural areas.

[sandnsea]

18. The internet

The exit polls said there was a 50/50 split in small towns. The rural farmland, however, went Bush. That led me to believe that alot of small town people have started getting their news online, which swayed their vote. Rural people don't have internet access yet. The suburbs are those 25-45 voters, yes? They've been leaning Republican for years, so I wouldn't be surprised if Bush won with those folks and even picked up votes as boomers left that bracket and the suburbs and young couples moved in.