Voters to challenge US election--Why no US media attention?

[tuvor]

More anecdotal proof of no such thing as liberal media in USA. Now seriously, just what in HELL is keeping this out of the American news?????????????????

Wednesday December 1, 2004
The Guardian

George Bush's victory in the US presidential election will be challenged in Ohio's supreme court today, when a group of Democratic voters will allege widespread fraud.
President Bush clinched re-election by winning the state of Ohio on November 2 by a margin of 136,000 votes over the Democratic candidate, John Kerry. Despite claims of fraud and technical glitches, Senator Kerry decided that they were not big enough to affect the result and conceded the election on November 3.

However, Cliff Arnebeck, a lawyer representing a group of voters challenging the Ohio result, claimed new analysis of various anomalies suggested it was rigged.

"We'll be calling for a reversal of the result based on evidence developed in the course of litigation," Mr Arnebeck told The Guardian yesterday. "Exit polling and substantial irregularities excluded votes that should have been counted. There is evidence that votes cast for one candidate were moved to the column of the other candidate."


http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1363399,00.html

:mad: :grr:

[Pacifist Patriot]

1. Seriously.

One would think this would be of historic import.

[Hobbes199]

2. Finally able to do something useful...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x105797

[ladjf]

3. One more time. Because the MEDIA is part of the SCAM!

[tuvor]

5. That's my opinion, too.

But I guess I was rhetorically asking the media.

Kind of like when you post on DU, "george, you rotten sonofa..." knowing full well that even if he COULD read it, he wouldn't.

[berniew1]

13. Miami Herald hand recount of 3 Florida counties shows big Kerry gain

Miami Herald hand recount of 3 Florida counties indicates signficant Kerry gain and possible Kerry win in Florida

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/20021...

Here are the tallies for Union County:

Bush original: 3396 Bush hand count: 3393 (-3)

Kerry original: 1251 Kerry hand count: 1272 (+21)

Net change: Kerry +24

Here are the tallies for Lafayette County:

Bush original: 2460 Bush hand count: 2452 (-8)

Kerry original: 845 Kerry hand count: 848 (+3)

Net change: Kerry +11

It's a bit more complicated for the third county they looked at, Suwannee County, because they only report the totals for a hand

count of "almost 60%" of the ballots. Here is the result of their 60% hand count:

Bush 60% hand count: 6140

Kerry 60% hand count: 2984

Which gives us the following tally for Suwannee County:

Bush original: 11153 Extrapolation of Bush 100% hand count: 10549

Kerry original: 4522 Extrapolation of Kerry 100% hand count: 5126

Net change: Kerry +1208

In the original count, 71.2% of the votes cast for Bush or Kerry (n=15675) went to Bush. In the hand count, this drops to 67.3%. That

is a significant drop. Let's translate that into numbers. If you take the percentages from the hand count and extrapolate, here's

what you get:

Bush = 15675 x .673 = 10549 (loss of 604)

Kerry = 15675 x .327 = 5126 (gain of 604)

Net change: Kerry +1208

A switch of 1208 votes in a county with less than 16K votes cast is obviously huge. Now maybe there's a very large percentage of Bush votes in that remaining 40% that they didn't count, but we can't know that because they didn't count them. Which begs the question...why did they stop counting in Suwannee County when their tabulation of 60% of the ballots deviated so much from the original total? And without actually counting those remaining ballots, how can they possibly report that nothing is amiss when the data they have so far suggests a possible problem?

What I see is a possible gain of 1243 votes for Kerry from three small counties in which only 23627 ballots were cast. That

represents about 0.3% of the ballots cast for Bush and Kerry statewide. If Kerry gained votes at the same rate statewide, he picks up nearly 400,000 votes and wins Florida.

[berniew1]

14. Miami Herald didn't even understand consequenses of their own study

But the big studies of Florida vote counts found the major problems in the big touchscreen counties.

Major vote irregularties in big touchscreen Florida counties

Univ. of Calif. study www.computerworld.com/governmenttopics/government/policy/story/0,10801,97614,00.html

FLCV study www.flcv.com/fla04EAS.html ... www.flcv.com/fla04EA.html

www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00072.htm

[Pepper32]

4. Do you really have to ask? Even Randi Rhodes is being silenced. Damn

n/t

[tuvor]

6. Depends on who I'm demanding an answer from.

Please see post #5.

[Pepper32]

8. Look, my post wasn't meant as sarcasm, hope you didn't take it that way.

I'm just frustrated because we really don't have a voice.

I was just thinking out loud. Kinda like what you were doing with the main post.

[tuvor]

10. Not taken that way at all!

I should've been clearer in the first place.

Cheers!

[Pepper32]

12. No problem...

:)

[malatesta1137]

20. really? how do you know?

I haven't listened to her since the elections much.

[Calvinist Basset]

7. "Despite claims of fraud and technical glitches . . ."

I'm still ticked at Kerry for conceding. Random technical glitches *might* be excusable--but how can anyone concede an election when claims of fraud are being made? Any fraud, no matter how small, should nullify the whole damn thing.

Still, I hope the election is turned over and Kerry is inaugurated.

In the meantime, we should be jamming the phone lines of the TV networks, radio stations, newspapers, etc. and tell them to report on these things. As well, we should be posting the link to this story on blogs, in mass mailings, posters, windshield fliers, notes in menus, etc.

I won't rest until we get Chimpy the sock puppet out of the Oval Office!

[shakerbaker]

9. KIND 5 reporting

@ 1835pst that the Washington Democratic Party currently has $650,000 so far for a recount.

Keep up with those donations.Only $100,000 to go!

oops..I posted this in the wrong thread.

[dzika]

11. At first I thought it was just laziness

But now I'm getting that artificial feeling.

[demo dutch]

15. I am sorry too and I don't get why there isn't a Ukraine type

outcry going on!I am orginally from Europe and feel that Americans ought to be ashamed of themselves. But as Randi says as long as there is beer and steak on the barbecue no one really cares that people are dying!

[Patsy Stone]

16. I thought this lawsuit

probably won't be filed until tomorrow or Monday? Was that what I heard on KO?

[The Flaming Red Head]

17. The media hates U.S. Those of U.S. paying attention that is. nt

[Catherine Vincent]

18. The lawyer, Cliff Arnebeck, was a guest on Washington Journal today.

You guys should watch the video, he's in the first segment. He was cool, calm and collected and tells it like it is. He remained that way even with the repukey stupid callers.

http://www.c-span.org/homepage.asp?Cat=Series&Code=WJE&ShowVidNum=6&Rot_Cat_CD=WJ&Rot_HT=206&Rot_WD=&ShowVidDays=15&ShowVidDesc=&ArchiveDays=30

[Xenus Sister]

19. That national guardsman was scary!

I just watched that Cliff Arnebeck interview and couldn't believe what that National Guardsman (assuming he really was one) was saying. "I'm not going to sit back and let this happen!" as if...well...um...what are you going to do about it scumbag? You gonna go shoot some libruls bud? And that woman who was "outraged" at the recount efforts, fuck right the hell off.

These Puckicans just can't stand democracy in action. They're sick in the head and soul.