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cguttman Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 01:05 AM
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Exciting Update and Urgent Actions!
In this post
(1) Update
(2)New Kerry Action: to increase legal standing to defend and expedite recount he must ask for his own recount
(3)New Blackwell Action:Call/Write again to expedite recount, urge Ohio to ignore"safe harbor", and ask for recusal
(4)How you can volunteer for recount and share transportation and housing info
(5)The legal firm that is making this all happen is asking for your help.
(you can also find all these actions at http://stolenelection2004.com/alerts.html )

Update: While Kerry is publically defending the Green recount, inside legal sources tell me he may not have enough legal standing to defend and expedite the recount unless he directly asks for a recount himself instead of just helping the Greens in their recount.
Meanwhile Blackwell has dragged his feet and won't certify until the 6th even though the counties have reported its vote totals on the 1st. After the certification,there are two big obstacles to a real thorough manual count.

First on the 7th, Blackwell is scheduled to send in the results of the certification and choose electors who would choose Bush for president to represent Ohio. What this means is that there would be a slate of Bush electors from Ohio and if enough legal votes are found for Kerry, there would either have to be a Congressional challenge and Congress would have to vote on whether to replace the Kerry electors with the Bush electors or the Bush electors would have to switch to Kerry, which is possible but rarely happens. As a result, it would be best if Ohio did not recognize this "safe harbor" date which many states ignore and is not supposed to be recognized when an election is being challenged anyway (although that is a matter of interpretation).

Second, under Ohio law, the parties have 5 days to decide to join the recount, so the recount cannot start until then--unless all parties--including the Republicans--waive it! There is a legal hearing on Fri, the 3rd to try to stop these two things in order to facilitate the recount that but it might fail.

The inside legal source who has been giving me great info said clearly,"the only recourse is public pressure!" That's where you come in.

From the information I have gathered from inside legal sources, the key things to do are

(1) Call/Write Kerry Campaign and say,"Legal sources say in order to have enough legal standing to defend and expedite recount you must ask directly for a recount instead of just helping the Greens in their recount"

You can send Kerry a quick message here Note: While this page says something a little different the sample letter above is using information which is up to date and has been confirmed by legal insiders.
http://www.thepen.us/e-fraud.html

--If you wanted to do more you can contact: http://www.democrats.org/contact for the DNC; Kerry Campaign (not sure if still active) 202-712-3000, try ext.5377 ;Ohio Democrats 614-221-6563 (voice) 614-221-0721 (fax) dan@ohiodems.org


(2)
(a)Call and write Blackwell and say something like, "The recount should begin immediately in order to have enough time to have a full manual recount. Blackwell should waive the 5 day waiting period to notify candidates since all candidates already know about recount. Blackwell must not send in certification and choose electors on Tues since the recount would begin after that. Many states ignore this "safe harbor day" and it is not appropriate to recognize this deadline before the recount is finished. Also I urge him to recuse himself from the recount and appoint someone non-partisan instead."

SEND TO : Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell
Email: blackwell@sos.state.oh.us
Phone: (614) 466-2585

(b)Contactl the press http://www.congress.org/congressorg/dbq/media/?command=state_search&state=oh
(c) You can contact the Ohio Governor at http://governor.ohio.gov/contactinfopage.asp phone: 1614 466-3555, 1-614- 466-2655

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(4)If these measures don't work, expect the recount to start on the 11th and end the evening of the 12th. Both the Democrats and the Greens are asking for volunteers--they both need thousands! If you have rides, housing or frequent flyer miles or absolutely need them to volunteer for this effort you can list your information and find each other at http://democrats.com/ohio (if this link doesn't work you can also contact action@votermarch.org )

To Volunteer for Greens
http://web.greens.org/c/cobb/supporters.cgi?function=volunteer&process=7
or www.votecobb.org


To Volunteer for Democrats
http://www.ohiodems.org/index.php?display=Join&volunteer=Y
or http://ohiodems.org/

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(5)To help the legal firm helping the Greens pay for the legal costs making this all possible go to
www.nvri.org

Keep checking this page for more urgent action alerts facilitating recounts and investigating vote fraud, as well as vote fraud demonstrations around the country http://www.stolenelection2004.com/alerts.html








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Shalom Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 01:27 AM
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1. MASSIVE EFFORT ! THANKS !
You've really challenged the rest of us to absorb and act on all these leads....thanks again !
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OKthatsIT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 04:08 AM
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12. kick
bumpity bumpity
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 02:14 AM
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2. OTHER KEY THINGS TO DO about issue
First, the key issue that needs to be raised in Ohio is a CLASS ACTION suit on behalf of all the voters discouraged from voting by the systematic denial of adequate voting machines in overwhelmingly Democratic precincts. NO RECOUNT ALONE WILL BE SUFFICIENT. In fla 2000 no one filed a class action on behalf of tens of thousands of disenfranchised black voters. The same mistake of focusing on the recount but not on litigating disenfranchisement is being made.

A second thing to do if you live in the area of NY or DC or LA and aren't able to travel to Ohio is to organize protests against the MEDIA LOCKDOWN of votergate 2004. Use public radio, the internet and all other means to get rallies as large and as militant as possible, eg, outside the NY Times. These cities are heavily blue areas far from the contested states, so it provides a means for activism locally for many millions of disaffected Americans. If you can get just 1% of the people living in these areas who think that the election was not honest to come out, you have really got something!
Sending letters of protest say to the Governor of Ohio is a waste of time, unless used to mobilize the press or based on a petition that is simultaneously publicized. Letters of protest to the editors of newspapers in Ohio is a much better use of time.

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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 02:31 AM
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3. KICK...and remember, if its too late for you to act now, bookmark this to
act on in the morning.
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 03:12 AM
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4. .
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 03:20 AM
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5. what a handy-dandy action guide!
Thank you so much!
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 03:42 AM
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6. Thank you! and
Here's a slightly modified version i just sent to Blackwell:

Dear Secretary Blackwell:

I know you are doing your best to deal with may conflicting pressures. However, I urge you to remember that, in the long run, only fairness will work, not only for our country but for you personally.

The recount must begin immediately in order to have enough time to have a full manual recount. I am asking that you waive the 5 day waiting period to notify candidates, since all the candidates already know about the recount. Please do not send in certification and choose electors on Tuesday, since the recount would begin after that. Many states ignore this "safe harbor day", and it is not appropriate to recognize this deadline before the recount is finished.

Finally, I urge you to recuse yourself from the recount, and to appoint someone non-partisan instead. No one should blame you for that; if they do, you are working for the wrong master.

Thank you.
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mary195149 Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 06:47 AM
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7. done n/t
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s-cubed Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 11:44 AM
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8. Just did media blast to Ohio, governor, blackwell, etc
Thanks for posting this
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Kellis Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 02:36 PM
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9. great info
Thanks :toast:


:kick:

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Lil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 07:58 PM
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10. a kick for more great OH research
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Lil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 02:45 AM
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11. Kick for the OH Demonstrations!
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angrydemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 04:40 AM
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13. Kick
Edited on Sat Dec-04-04 04:57 AM by angrydemocrat
:kick:
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tll Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 07:46 AM
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14. kick!
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Lil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 09:49 PM
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15. kick to keep your efforts out there.
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bj2110 Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 11:53 PM
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16. Kick!
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