OHIO is important. Don't obsess about OHIO.

[skids]

The big wheels have started rolling for Ohio. We should keep up the pressure there.

The media is starting to come around. We should keep up the pressure there.

But as soon as the general population realizes that Ohio just might possibly flip, the Republicans are going to go totally and completely apeshit. They will be out there pointing at their "3.3 million vote mandate" and saying all those things that Al Gore supporters were screaming in 2000. With one difference. They own their own media.

So keep working on Ohio. Keep working on the press. But don't lose sight of the "counterfeit mandate." I'm really very worried about this, because if a trivial spat between BH and KO can monopolize the attention of so many DUers, the good news coming out of OHIO could put us all in a trance.

We need to look at all the states and cast doubt on the popular vote margin. We need a big old spreadsheet that shows how many votes are estimated to be in doubt in each questionable state. We can't rely entirely on Madsen to show the padding took place. Something may happen to him or his contacts. Crunch people, crunch!

When the crap hits, we need to countercrap!

[pointsoflight]

1. Know the status of the Glib's recounts in NV and NM?

[Timebound]

2. Right on!

*puts on her crap-protectant armor*

Grrrrr....come and get me, evil Repugs...

[ClassWarrior]

3. A new battle cry! Countercrap!!

But ohhh so true. Thanks.

NGU.

[berniew1]

18. Systematic voter suppression in Ohio: Documentation by area/ward/precinct

Systematic Voter Suppression: STEALING VOTES IN COLUMBUS (malfeasance)

http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/columbus.htm

The Free Press on Election Day posted a disturbing story, later confirmed by the Columbus Dispatch. The Free Press reported that Franklin County Board of Elections Director Matt Damschroder deliberately withheld voting machines from predominantly black Democratic wards in Columbus, and dispersed some of the machines to affluent suburbs in Franklin County. Damschroder is the former Executive Director of the Franklin County Republican Party. Sources close to the Board of Elections told the Free Press that Damschroder and Ohio’s Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell met with President George W. Bush in Columbus on Election Day. The idea was to discourage turnout in Democratic wards by forcing voters to wait in long lines at the polling places. Such a strategy would be far more effective than encouraging turnout in Republican wards. Elections are all about margins. There are 74 wards in Columbus. George W. Bush won 12 wards, with a margin of 7.35%. John F. Kerry won 62 wards, with a margin of 37.62%. Affecting Kerry’s turnout would greatly reduce his margin of victory in Columbus, giving the Republicans a much better chance of overtaking Kerry given a strong enough showing in suburban and small town Republican strongholds.

In order to investigate this matter, I obtained from the Franklin County Board of Elections all the data I needed in order to calculate, ward by ward, and precinct by precinct: (1) The ratio of registered voters per voting machine. (2) Percent turnout, calculated as total ballots cast divided by the number of registered voters. (3) Percent for Kerry, calculated as votes cast for Kerry divided by votes cast for president. (4) Margin of victory or defeat for Kerry, calculated as the difference between the vote totals for Kerry and Bush.

All 36 of the wards at the bottom of the list of voters per voting machine were won by Kerry, and they include most of his strongholds. In 29 of the 36 wards, Kerry exceeded his city wide share of 62.22% of the vote. However, these wards suffered a low voter turnout.It is important to understand what these numbers mean. The polls in Ohio were open from 6:30 A.M. to 7:30 P.M. That is 13 hours, or 780 minutes. If there are 400 registered voters per voting machine, and turnout is 60%, each voter has less than 3.5 minutes to vote, and that is assuming a steady stream of voters, with no rushes at certain hours. It also assumes no challenges to voters at the polls. If there are 550 registered voters per voting machine, and the turnout is 60%, each voter has 2.4 minutes. All of this amounts to theft of votes. It has been shown above that the Kerry precincts enjoyed a voter turnout similar to that of the Bush precincts when supplied with enough voting machines.

Thus I conclude that the withholding of voting machines from predominantly Democratic wards in the City of Columbus cost John Kerry upwards of 17,000 votes. A more detailed calculation could be done on a precinct by precinct basis, but that is not necessary here. The purpose is to illustrate the magnitude of the conspiracy. Matt Damschroder did not act alone. There are 74 wards and 472 precincts in Columbus, Ohio. It is not possible for one person to have delivered all the voting machines, and it is unlikely that nobody else was involved in planning where to deliver them. Anyone who associated with Mr. Damschroder on or shortly before Election Day should be investigated for possible complicity. Richard Hayes Phillips, Ph.D. 4 Fisher Street Canton, New York 13617 [phone] [e-mail]

Stealing Votes in Cleveland

http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/cleveland.htm

Indications of possible ballot box stuffing in Warren County, Ohio

http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/warren.htm

Favoritism in the Suburbs

http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/suburbs.htm

Analysis Indicates Kerry could win Ohio with a "fair process" and fair vote count

http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/uncounted.htm

www.flcv.com/ohiov04.html

[RaulVB]

4. Wrong in your comments

No matter what they say, the MSM has ZERO credibility and "they" stole 2 elections in a row!

Plus, as you know, the elections in the US are decided BY ELECTORAL VOTES.

The American model does not take into account the number of votes nationwide to give the victory to either candidate participating in the contest.

Pretty easy to understand.

[driver8]

8. Easy to understand...

It is easy to understand -- for some people. The majority of Bush supporters are not going to understand nor will they try. They will listen to the bullshit spewed forth from the media and take it as the truth.

We know the election is decided by electoral votes, but those crooks will do everything they can to stay in power.

[RaulVB]

9. Correct, but...

We give crap for the Bush "people." They are not the audience. The neutral observers, people not really involved directly are those who need to hear the message.

[skids]

10. Agree, but disagree.

I agree, in that I think the electoral college provides the only protection we have against tyranny of the majority, however imperfect it may be.

But I disagree, in that I know a lot of people on both the right and the left think the popular vote should choose the winner. That's an argument I do not want to have to engage them in. We can't afford the distraction. We have to work to show that we are in the right to that group of people, and attacking them for their belief in elimination of the electoral college is not a good way to get on their good side.

Why did Bush bother to pad the popular vote, if it wasn't vitally important to bolstering his legitimacy?

Right battle, wrong time.

[RaulVB]

12. Bush is not doing that...

Is the corrupt American media doing the job that likes to do, serve as the vehicle to spread this BS. Cheney's remarks about the "mandate" were quickly controlled by Rove.

[jamboi]

5. Maybe we should start on publicizing all the probs. all around the US

so as to undermine the popular vote mantra. I really think the fraud was so widespread that he didn't truly get 3 million pop vote.

[RaulVB]

7. Yes, is a "mantra" for the MSM

I really think that "W" lost the popular vote by about 2.5 millions. The "red" states were not in play ever, the DNC declared, so NOBODY observed the process closely there.

[juajen]

14. I certainly think Louisiana was skimmed for the popular vote

and to get Vitter in as Senator. Louisiana needs to be examined, too. As a matter of fact, I think it is in, maybe, Madsen's list of states? I have no political connections in this town, but maybe somebody here has some in Baton Rouge. I think I will call Mary Landrieu's office tomorrow and ask if anything is being done here? After all, she will have to run again; and, no matter how popular she is, she will be in danger. Her race was very close with Suzanne Heik Terrell.

[YellowDoginthehouse]

6. One more thing.....

When the crap hits the fan, the republikkkans will come up with a diversion, and it'll be a big one. You can always tell how bad it really is by watching how quickly they come up with a situation that totally ties up all of the news networks' resources.

We need to be ready to compensate for the preemptive news strike they'll deliver.

[Mojorabbit]

11. Yep.. we will be on yellow alert

or something will blow up.
Mojorabbit

[newyawker99]

16. Hi Mojorabbit!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[bobbieinok]

13. neveer forget: newspaper consortium was to publish its recount of

FL2000 sept 11 or 12 or very shortly thereafter...

there was a major effect to prevent this from being published 'no longer important after 9-11'

[m.standridge]

15. Re: Ohio and other states

Very good point. This is something I've been trying to get out there, too: THERE ARE OTHER STATES THAT NEED TO BE LOOKED AT BESIDES JUST OHIO. And perhaps most important: THERE ARE ENOUGH ELECTORAL VOTES IN THOSE OTHER STATES TO TURN IT AROUND, TOO.
People who don't live here in AR aren't familiar with what was going on here, 72 to 12 hours before the election. This state REALLY tightened up. Even our local CBS Tv station in Little Rock admitted that on election day. It was Bush 50.8, Kerry 46.4 12 hours before the election, with Kerry on a rapidly assending curve, Bush on a slightly descending one. CBS TV's KTHV here said the polls were indicating the race could be as close as "48% to 48%" according to news anchor Anne Jansen. This was based on the trend indicated, and a major league, almost sea-change that happened in this state in that final 24 hours or less: BILL CLINTON STARTED CAMPAIGNING ACTIVELY FOR KERRY HERE IN ARKANSAS.
Bill Clinton is like superman around here politically. Up until now, Kerry had been able to keep Bush at a Plurality anyway, because of Edwards and because AR, WV and VA have the largest disabled vet populations of any states. Polls were showing disabled vets liked Kerry.
But there seemed a gap, and the far right's having gay stuff on the ballots was getting a "and while I'm at it" Evangelical turn out to vote for Bush, so the Dems did have their work cut out for them to carry AR, which is mostly a standard Bible Belt state.
But when Clinton waded in, right in that last few hours which the exit polls probably didn't even catch accurately, I could FEEL the change in the atmosphere here. The media warmed up to the idea of a close race, even, because they know that Clinton is so popular here they have to give him good press because even their advertisers' product sales can be affected if they don't.
And why I am harping on this, is that AR is also the only Southern state besides Florida where Kerry occasionally led Bush in the pre-election polls BEFORE Clinton started actively campaigning for Kerry here. And, like Virginia, Louisiana and North Carolina, Bush was seldom above a Plurality here even when he led Kerry, which was 7 out of 16 times. Most of the time, it was a tie.
If Arkansas were recounted, and also Iowa and either New Mexico or Nevada, and all three--AR, IA and NM--went to Kerry, that would put him at 270 Electoral votes--without either OH or FL!
Clinton bridged a gap between anti-war Democrats and Vietnam veterans that had been there since the 2000 election, when Gore asked him NOT to campaign for him. Now, Gore was popular himself here, in the eastern part of the state. But Clinton, being from Hot Springs and Hope, which are in the Western part (which has a Republican tendency, recently, especially the Northwest, but Garland County, home of Clinton's Hot Springs, is somewhat Libertarian-flavored, which is why it's "interesting"), could have helped Gore last time here, too, had he done what he did this time. I think the last-minute thing, was probably the most effective thing he could have done, since it didn't give national media time to jump Clinton, and limited the coverage to to the more friendly local--but statewide--media.
The only drawback, is that it's unclear whether Edwards had as dramatic an appeal in eastern AR as Gore had. In other words, was the Democratic margin in those eastern counties as wide as before?
Assuming the exit poll error stuff, or not, I can pretty much tell you that the exit polls here were in error. And I believe I'd be saying this, this time, even if Professor Freemnan's study on exit polls in other states, hadn't even been there.
There are a couple of other things. There were errors in statewide national races that added up to over 50,000 votes just in two counties. We had power failure in western Little Rock, in an area which is more Jewish than other Little Rock areas. I noted that New Orleans also had a power failure.
As did Bouilder County, CO and Iowa. I think they said they had one in North Carolina, too. And, if I'm not mistaken, I saw a report about a power failure in Las Vegas, although I think the issue out there was more to do with a bogus "voter registration" drive.

[bones_7672]

17. Once Blackwell certifies on Monday, it's over.

There then may or may not be a recount, but it will not be a hand recount. End result: little change. Once that is done there will not be a judge or Senator that will intervene to flip Ohio. The fat lady is warming up in the wings.

[Niche]

19. It's the law. They crammed that down our throats...

We throw it back. Sorry dudes you got four years by ignoring the poular vote and going with the electoral college. Let them try to spin that. That's it. Period. "Shut up and stop whining"

P.S. Aren't thay calling a recount in NM? It's something like 6000 vote difference. NV is something like 20,000. It's their right to recall it when it's that close.

[jagsd01]

20. see CNN quickly: Election 2004 Fraud coverage: 40 to 45 after the hour

CNN--Anderson Cooper--2004 Election Fraud discussion in a few minutes