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mostly_lurking (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 08:24 AM Original message |
Why Kerry and the DNC should DISTANCE themselves from the OH recount... |
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Karmadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 08:29 AM Response to Original message |
1. You're using facts and reason in reaching your conclusions. I'm alerting |
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drthais (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 08:33 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. agreed |
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Snivi Yllom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 09:02 AM Response to Reply #1 |
15. but if you demand a retraction you might be more respected by some |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 08:32 AM Response to Original message |
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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 08:32 AM Response to Original message |
3. Yes, we should just forget about it. |
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mostly_lurking (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 08:49 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. This is, of course, not what I said |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 10:33 AM Response to Reply #9 |
43. I don't see the damage - |
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buddysmellgood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 11:37 AM Response to Reply #9 |
61. What your suggesting is not leadership. |
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trayfoot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 12:20 PM Response to Reply #9 |
65. Well, what I see very clearly in this red state of Virginia |
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electropop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 12:40 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. fellow VA Kerry campaigner is also hopping mad |
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DancingBear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 12:56 PM Response to Reply #65 |
71. Another VA Kerry supporter here |
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moonkat (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 12:33 PM Response to Reply #3 |
67. Except that ... |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 08:35 AM Response to Original message |
5. I saw somewhere |
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slor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 08:40 AM Response to Original message |
6. Yep, no evidence of fraud... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 08:42 AM Response to Reply #6 |
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BR_Parkway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 09:40 AM Response to Reply #6 |
27. There's no draft, I heard the campaign commercial myself n/t |
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m.standridge (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 01:29 PM Response to Reply #6 |
75. Evidence of fraud--but NUMBERS? |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 08:42 AM Response to Original message |
7. I just don't see the harm. |
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mostly_lurking (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 08:54 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. They aren't really paying the cost... |
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carolinalady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 09:26 AM Response to Reply #13 |
24. What exactly will be charged to the taxpayers? Why are we |
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mostly_lurking (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 09:35 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. The taxpayers pay for office space, security, salaries, etc. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 10:47 AM Response to Reply #13 |
47. How many Ohioans (and residents of other states) were pissed |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 10:00 AM Response to Reply #7 |
31. Huum, but they are not pissed about the $$$$$ in Iraq? |
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Pepper32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 10:47 AM Response to Reply #31 |
46. Exactly... they can spend millions on an unjust war but not for Democracy |
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googly (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 01:24 PM Response to Reply #7 |
74. The taxpayers pay the cost of recount over and above what the |
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righteous1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 04:34 PM Response to Reply #74 |
89. I keep hearing conflicting reports on this n/t |
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Ardee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 08:49 AM Response to Original message |
10. While I agree that |
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farmbo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 08:49 AM Response to Original message |
11. The Repubs in Ohio waste/steal more money in a day than the Recount costs. |
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Roger_Otip (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
12. there are reasonable suspicions |
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mostly_lurking (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 09:00 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. I agree there are suspicions... |
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Roger_Otip (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 10:48 AM Response to Reply #14 |
48. there is evidence |
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m.standridge (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 02:29 PM Response to Reply #12 |
78. ABSOLUTELY! What I've been saying here in AR--and DLC needs |
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WiseFawn (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 09:02 AM Response to Original message |
16. Ohio will show everyone on Saturday |
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Todd In Texas (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
17. Why Kerry Should MOST CERTAINLY Be Involved.... |
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PATRICK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 09:07 AM Response to Original message |
18. circular frustration |
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Pepper32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 09:08 AM Response to Original message |
19. I strongly disagree! |
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mostly_lurking (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 09:15 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. I did not intend to minimize that issue... |
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Pepper32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 10:08 AM Response to Reply #21 |
33. Point taken. However, what about the so-called "Spoiled Ballots"? |
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mostly_lurking (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 10:14 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. My understanding is they will be examined |
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Pepper32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 10:33 AM Response to Reply #36 |
44. Bottomline, is this... we can't sweep this under America's rug with the |
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Dr Ron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 09:10 AM Response to Original message |
20. Downside of recount in long run |
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myschkin (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 09:21 AM Response to Original message |
22. there is no soul in this statement |
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mostly_lurking (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 10:21 AM Response to Reply #22 |
40. Who is Karl? n/t |
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OneBlueSky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 09:22 AM Response to Original message |
23. totally disagree . . . |
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17yroldtwins (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 09:31 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. I agree with OneBlueSky |
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Eloriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 10:23 AM Response to Reply #25 |
41. And if anyone doubts the "evidence" |
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SueZhope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 01:03 PM Response to Reply #23 |
72. exactly OneBlueSky |
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iconoclastNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 02:33 PM Response to Reply #23 |
80. Yes. Exactly. |
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ArthurDent (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
28. I (alone?) agree with you |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 01:56 PM Response to Reply #28 |
77. Do you work for the DLC or what? |
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The Flaming Red Head (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 09:53 AM Response to Original message |
29. Voter Suppression in Ohio is a fact The Dem party needs to be in on this |
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SeattleRob (893 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
30. yeah... |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
32. Kerry shouldn't get involved in the recount... |
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InvisibleBallots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 12:23 PM Response to Reply #32 |
66. I don't think we have to worry about Kerry getting involved |
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november3rd (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
34. Thanks for sharing, but I disagree |
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carolinalady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
35. The Connally thing is not necessarily flimsy. |
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mostly_lurking (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 10:19 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. I have never seen anything like that |
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farmbo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 11:04 AM Response to Reply #35 |
54. All Dems and Repubs received a "Sample Ballot" endorsing Judges |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
37. There's evidence - before an investigation started, Enough to |
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Pepper32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 11:12 AM Response to Reply #37 |
56. Agreed. I wish everyone understood this... n/t |
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cdp (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
39. A Dem thinking STRATEGICALLY?!? |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
42. Yep. Making waves would hurt Kerry's personal friendships with.. |
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Pepper32 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 10:50 AM Response to Reply #42 |
51. Yep... |
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malatesta1137 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
45. you mean, even MORE distant that they already are? |
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Karmadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 10:51 AM Response to Reply #45 |
52. Wow! Do you have a link to the technicians who confessed to rigging |
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malatesta1137 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 11:00 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Saudis, Enron money helped pay for US rigged election |
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Karmadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 11:07 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. I'm not sure it would be a good idea for Kerry to rely on Madsen's |
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malatesta1137 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 11:18 AM Response to Reply #55 |
58. the media will devour Kerry REGARDLESS |
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Karmadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 12:48 PM Response to Reply #58 |
70. What do you want him to stand up and fight about? There's |
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malatesta1137 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 05:48 PM Response to Reply #70 |
92. what makes you think that the recount won't be rigged |
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Broken Acorn (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
49. Skull & Bones |
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PaganPreacher (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
50. Recount by itself is not enough, no matter who is "lead," |
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malatesta1137 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-04-04 02:21 AM Response to Reply #50 |
93. are you for real? |
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carolinalady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
57. regarding the cost of the recount |
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mostly_lurking (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 12:17 PM Response to Reply #57 |
64. The legislature sets the amount |
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carolinalady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 01:22 PM Response to Reply #64 |
73. They should have expected it BEFORE the election. |
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mostly_lurking (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 02:59 PM Response to Reply #73 |
82. Why? |
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carolinalady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 03:14 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Ohio was singled out before the election as the next possible |
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mattclearing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
59. While I think the strategy is sound... |
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buddysmellgood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
60. Don't you want to live in a democracy? In a democracy, you count the |
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nashuaadvocate (514 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
62. The Nashua Advocate |
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stirringstill (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
63. Better Luck Next Time |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 02:29 PM Response to Reply #69 |
79. Re: Troll Alert |
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ElementaryPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
76. WTF?? No fraud?? Say what? I suspect you're MostlyJerking us around |
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Pam-Moby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
81. recount |
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plasticsundance (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 03:47 PM Response to Reply #81 |
86. This might have been already posted on another topic ... but |
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angrydemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
84. Ohioan's Are Going To Be Pissed? |
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bunny planet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
85. Aside from the principle of the thing, and the outside possibility that |
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plasticsundance (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 03:49 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. The good thing |
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righteous1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
88. When your right...your right. JK can't afford to get involved in |
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pilgrimsoul (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 05:02 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. John Kerry Knows What He's Doing |
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angrydemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-03-04 05:35 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. Amen! |
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