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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 10:42 AM
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Quest for recount in presidential race ends
Apparently principle has a price tag.

The Green Party and Libertarian Party presidential candidates on Thursday dropped a requested recount of Nevada's presidential vote after the state asked for a check for $346,000 to cover the cost of the work.

"We have decided that due to the cost and the lack of volunteers in Nevada, we don't have a reasonable chance of being successful in that," said Michael Badnarik, the Libertarian candidate for president.

In a previous interview, Badnarik acknowledged that he had no chance of overturning the outcome in Nevada, a state won by President George Bush by 21,500 votes, or 2.5 percent, but that the recount was sought to ensure accuracy.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2004/Dec-03-Fri-2004/news/25398696.html
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AmyCrat Donating Member (721 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 10:46 AM
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1. This infuriates me
I don't understand how our democracy can depend on $$$$ to pay for recounts to make sure the vote is ACCURATE. Getting is RIGHT should be the priority. The fact there are questions and that money keeps us from getting the answers is nothing short of ridiculous.

Can anyone say Plutocracy?
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 10:50 AM
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3. I still wonder what Bush supporters Heller and Guinn did to the
recount rules just before the election in Nevada. This entire thing has been dishonest. Be watching for Heller to move up in the world for what he has done for Bush and Rove.

And I am completely disgusted with Reid and his workers.

makeamericacount this week when they went to get a recount started. It was disgustng. Then I found this article from September. Seems like he ram-rodded through some procedures on how to handle "recount" requests through our Governor, Bush NV campaign chairperson.

Sept. 11, 04

"I fear that this election is going to be very embarrassing for some states," said Nevada Secretary of State Dean Heller. "The scrutiny is going to be so intense from one end of the country to another. The media is far more focused on the details of elections and how they are run than they were before Florida in 2000. I don't think you can be prepared for that level of scrutiny."

Some key swing states are still scrambling to fine-tune their election recount procedures. The Iowa legislature passed a law in April requiring election officials there to rewrite administrative rules defining what constitutes a vote, some of which address how ballots would be tallied in a recount. The public comment period on the new rules ended less than two weeks ago.

Just days ago in Nevada, Heller carried emergency regulations clarifying recount procedures to Gov. Kenny Guinn for his signature.

http://www.sacbee.com/24hour/politics/election/ref_ballots/story/1644350p-9362473c.html
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 10:51 AM
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5. something happened here and Heller will be promoted for it
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=91982


don't forget what I told you. These boys in Nevada were so in tight with Bush and Rove, they could have been ass implants.
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forgethell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 11:46 AM
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11. Somebody has to pay for everything.
What did you expect?
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buzzard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 12:20 PM
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12. It may be a legal issue in how the money is raised for a recount.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 10:49 AM
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2. where the F*CK is the democratic party with it's leftover...
Edited on Fri Dec-03-04 10:49 AM by mike_c
...campaign money?! This is chump change for the Kerry campaign!
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life_long_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 11:14 AM
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8. No $hit,
They gave $250,000 for a recount in Washington for the "GOVERNOR", but they didn't contribute any to Nevada, for the "PRESIDENTIAL" recount. Pathetic...

Will the money be reimbursed if there is no recount in Washington?
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 10:50 AM
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4. I am not surprised that these small parties do not have
the money to fund these recounts on behave of the American public. They aren't sitting on a $50 million plus leftover campaign chest like some people are and can't afford to pay these exorbitant amounts. And since no one else is stepping up, you really can't say that these peoples' principles have a "price tag". At least they were trying, which is more than can be said for some of the "other" parties.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 10:53 AM
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6. I agree with all of you, where is the Democratic Party?
Fighting over who is in charge. That's it. Shame on them.

So, I was just one person here fighting this from up in the middle of butt-plug Egypt in rural Nevada, supporting these guys. What does one person do? Give up? Become an Indepedent? Move to Canada?

I feel like :puke:
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Xenus Sister Donating Member (354 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 11:11 AM
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7. Where the hell are all the rich Democrats?? Calling Hollywood!
It's also chump change for Hollywood liberals.

DAMMIT!
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 11:16 AM
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9. Good point
where are they? I'm all twenty dollared out!
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smartvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 11:16 AM
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10. Once again, Kerry has the $$$ for this stuff.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 01:51 PM
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13. it's not just the money, it's the underhandedness of the Repuke SOS
News 4 Local News
For one thing, what insane law requires that for you to ask for a recount in Nevada, you have to give them the exact number on the voting machines. If you didn't run around this very spread out state and look on each machine on election day, you wouldn't know that. Heller did not offer to give the numbers and list of where the machines were located. I should do a reporter's FOIA to demand they prove where those machines sat, EXACTLY! That should be fecking public information!!! Heller, the governor, the AG all helped run Rove's Bush re-election campaign in Nevada. Why should these people be trusted???

Why do I have to ask these questions alone? The State Dem Party is a failure!!!



CARSON CITY, Nev., December 3
Recount dropped in Nevada presidential election
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Two minor presidential candidates, faced with a Thursday deadline to produce a $346,000 deposit, are dropping their request for a recount of the November second election in Nevada that President Bush won by a 21,500-vote margin.

Lowell Finley, counsel to Libertarian candidate Michael Badnarik and Green Party candidate David Cobb, says the decision to pull the Nevada recount request was made very reluctantly in part because of its cost.

Nevada Secretary of State Dean Heller faxed the candidates a letter with the cost estimate and advising them the money would have to be paid before the recount could start.

Finley says Heller's office was, "obstructionist" but Heller spokesman Steve George says that's not the case. He says the recount process is spelled out in state law and must be followed.


http://www.krnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2645034&nav=8faOTnZy


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m.standridge Donating Member (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 02:00 PM
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14. IA, AR, NV/NM = 270 Electoral Votes: NV anti-Elector case: appealed?
And, as I've posted on several occasions on other threads:
Iowa = 7 electoral votes
New Mexico = 5 electoral votes
Nevada = 5 electoral votes
Arkansas = 6 electoral votes
Iowa, NM and NV are all very close.
Here in AR, I've got a lot of info suggesting AR was, too. We had a power failure in a heavily-Jewish area of Little Rock, the largest city, on election day, in Pulaski County, a Democratic-leaning county.
The secretary of state's office here delayed finalizing because of massive errors in the state versus county figures in the tallies. They amounted to over 50,000 votes in one statewide national race, in just two sets of county tallies versus the state's. And that's not counting the other 75 counties here.
On Election day, CBS affiliate KTHV in LR here said the race was "48% to 48%" here. I can pretty much tell you it tightened up quite a bit, at the very last minute in a phenomenon probably missed by the exit polls, because Clinton started actively campaigning for Kerry here, something he hadn't done for Gore (at Gore's request) in 2000.
Gore was popular in eastern AR, Clinton was was also popular in two counties in western AR--Garland and the Hope area.
Bush seldom was above a plurality in AR, VA, LA or NC. In AR and FL, Kerry occasionally led Bush in the polls--and this was PRIOR to Clinton's beginning to campaign for Kerry in-state.
I'd tell this not only to the DNC but to the DLC:
RECOUNT SOME OTHER STATES BESIDES FLORIDA AND OHIO.
Don't know that means you have to give up on OH, just don't put all your eggs in the proverbial basket. Please don't tell me it's lack of funds.
Iowa was closer than Ohio.
Nevada was closer than Ohio.
New Mexico was closer than Ohio.
I'm willing to go after Ohio, they keep finding new numbers, although they also keep regurgitating old numbers. We need more numbers than we've got so far there, however.
You're right: the Democrats should have gotten involved in Nevada, but apparently it's now too late. I don't know what the fate of the appeal by the private group of the lawsuit against the state's Electors. Anyone? Maybe that might keep it from being too late.
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