So the Hispanics are not stupid

[RaulVB]

Posted earlier in a different tread, this needs to be visible!

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/041203/nyf044_1.html

The press release tells the truth finally, Hispanic support for Bush is NOT WHAT "gave him the victory."

NBC got "red handed" lying, time to CYA.

They will not "find" any number to support their lies, NBC better starts reporting about fraud, I would say.

[sabra]

1. Dupe

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=108133

[pleiku52cab]

4. I say - thank you for the 'dupe'

I would have missed this entirely if it hadn't been re-posted (in a more complete manner I might add). Some things deserve more than one airing and I think it should be left up to the moderators to decide duplication or deletion.

[sabra]

6. Sorry...

I guess I could have said, there's another thread for additional discussion.

[pleiku52cab]

7. no offence taken

but somestimes I get peeved at missing stuff and not knowing about a current subjects reference to an earlier thread

[alexisfree]

2. ???

no we are not...I think...:think:

[AmyCrat]

3. que?

:P

[pleiku52cab]

5. que pasa?

[Miami Liberal]

8. Mufasa

Hell NO we're not stupid!

[mountebank]

9. So Hispanics broke for Kerry...

And so did young voters, independents, undecideds, and first-time voters.

So how was it even close? From which demographic did Bush's 10 million new votes COME from? Couldn't have been Evangelicals. They were nearly tapped out and there are probably only around 20 million voting age registered anyway, if that. Where did the votes come from????

[RaulVB]

10. Karl Rove's laptop (n/t)

[IndyOp]

11. So it WAS the exit polls that were rigged! Important:

Remember when Dick Morris was arguing that the exit polls had been rigged in John Kerry's favor to make it look like he was winning by so much that Republican voters in the West wouldn't bother going to the polls?

Well... Doesn't the paragraph below make you think that the Edison-Mitofsky polls were rigged to *underestimate* Kerry support among Latino voters?

"NBC has set an example for network poll integrity by taking a giant step away from the Edison International/Mitofsky election results, and toward findings. For example, today NBC stated that 70% of its respondents came from non-urban areas and 30% from urban areas, while acknowledging that 50% of Latino voters come from urban areas. This admission could explain the difference in their results and WCVI's. They under-represented Latino urban voters (who are more likely to vote democratic) and over-represented Latino non-urban votes (who are more likely to vote republican). We hope the other networks follow suit with more adjustments in their findings," Gonzalez concluded."

:kick:

[RaulVB]

12. Morris got half of the opinion right

The 4 PM polls and the late night poll numbers posted by CNN and AP were ALL FINE EXCEPT FOR Ohio and Florida.

After 5 PM, they were constantly modified to match Bush's "victory."

Rigged, yes, probably, "when" is the key and Morris is not interested in knowing that. Also, the fraud in Ohio and Florida is connected to the exit poll results, don't you know that?

[IndyOp]

13. don't you know that?

Okay - give me a break. I know waaaaaay too much about Edison International/Mitofsky and the three 'models' the National Election Pool used when combining exit poll results with tabulated votes coming in from 1000 precincts around the country. I know waaaaaaay too much about the 3 hour period when the server went down on election night and how the results for Ohio and Florida mysteriously changed when the server came back up. I know waaaaaaaay too much about exactly how few subjects were added to the exit poll results from 12:20 a.m. to 1:20 a.m. and how the results could not have in any stretch of the imagination changed by the amount that the NEP exit polls said they did.

My comments above were meant to point out that the WCVI is revealing that Edison International/Mitosfky's exit polls may have been skewed in Bush's favor -- something that no other source of information has hinted at before.

"don't you know that?" is insulting and none of us around here is dumb.

x(

[Helga Scow Stern]

20. I didn't know. I even wrote WCVI to ask them which polls they used.

I didn't know that about FL and OH exit polls.

[RaulVB]

21. OK, sorry...

Peace!

Don't you know that is just a question.

I see your point now

Later...:toast:

[sarahlee]

33. Caution Light

It is possible that they are using this for a set up that all exit polling is unreliable - thus discrediting some of the claims/research that the elections had "irregularities."

I think we have to be really careful with this info.

[bleever]

14. The "exit poll, schmexit poll" defense begins to crumble.

[YellowDoginthehouse]

15. Raul, my dear-

I live smack-dab in the middle of the most Hispanic county in the US-Pima County, Arizona. It went blue, always does. The Hispanic vote is blue, except for Cubans in FL.

The Hispanic population is not stupid. They are overwhelmingly Democratic.

[Miami Liberal]

16. Not this Cuban in FL

about 30% of us voted for Kerry.

[Straight Shooter]

17. I was so disappointed that more Cubans did not vote for Kerry

I understand there's a big issue about Castro, but it seemed a really nasty thing for bush to restrict visitation and how much Cubans can send home to their families still in Cuba.

I'm not trying to get into the Cuban heart and mind, but I always thought of Hispanics as having a stronger sense of family in their culture than whites, and bush coming from a dysfunctional family himself and then creating difficulty for Cuban families to come together, well, it just really pissed me off.

I apologize to anyone that I might offend with this opinion. It's really difficult for me to articulate such a complicated subject as the culture of family.

[Miami Liberal]

22. I'll put it in simple terms

To most Cubans in Miami, espcecially the older ones, If you are a Democrat then you're a communist. I have no idea where this logic comes from but it frustrates me to death.

[RaulVB]

25. Isn't the reason...

That older Cubans are just "hardcore" righwingers that oppose Castro at any cost, so far right that, of course, in their minds a democrat will be considered a "commie"?

That's what my friend Katia tells me at work. She is Cuban.

[Miami Liberal]

28. Yes that's true

and they also think the Repugs are going to liberate Cuba, just because every 4 years they come to Miami and shout "Viva Cuba Libre"

[Straight Shooter]

26. Oh. Democrats are Communists, okay.

That must be an especially potent form of kool-aid they're drinking there, eh? :)

Thanks for the info. Still shaking my head in wonderment, but thanks.

[RaulVB]

29. I laughed when I heard that too...

But those old Cubans want Castro dead and the island invaded by the US!

So, that's the people you deal with.

[YellowDoginthehouse]

18. Thanks, Miami!

I stand happily corrected!

[Quakerfriend]

19. Yup always blue

It is so hideous that ** keeps acting as tho he has the Hispanics in his pocket.......as tho we have all just crawled out of the Rio Grande and are hanging on his every word (and piss poor Espanol). We are quite diverse and see right thru him! Ivy League educated, thanks to the programs of the 60's and 70's, offered by this wonderful country. I've always laughed at those stats that say that he gets the Hispanic vote!

[GRLMGC]

32. He should never speak Spanish, ever

He ruins the language. Like everything he says, it sounds incredibly stupid and ugly.

[flyarm]

34. heck he ruins the english language, actually mutilates it!! n/t

[RaulVB]

27. Right on the money...

Yes, that was expected after Bush's ban on travel to the island.

Thanks for voting for Kerry!

[RaulVB]

24. I work among them...

And I know that much.

I was boiling when some morons on TV said that "they really like Bush's values..."

[JunkYardDogg]

30. Hispanics & Bush

I live in a mostly Hispanic City
I walked a precinct to get out the vote on Election/Rigged Day
and everybody I encountered Hated Bush.
These are people from very underdeveloped poor third world countries
and they can see for themselves what Bush does to third world countries. Bombs are not a very acceptable form of foreign aid
I found it to be mind boggling when the Repugs announced that they got a large Hispanic vote

[trudyco]

23. now we need a woman's group ...league of Women voters?

and have them fight back on the women vote that supposedly tipped closer to Bush than in 2000 (how did the Hispanic group do this - paid for their own poll of their members?).

Then the NAACP can do the same for the African American vote that supposedly improved for Bush this year, too.

Debunk the spin on where Bush got his votes - whether Mitofsky wants to fess up that the exit polls were relatively accurate or not.

trudyco

[jkd]

31. NBC based their numbers on the adjusted exit polls.

All those extra votes had to come from somewhere. Pollsters tweaked the numbers to show a greater Latino vote for Bush so the actual vote would match their exit polls. They adjusted their results to the actual vote as it was reported on election night. One has to give NBC credit for backing-off a little from their original contention that the difference between Bush and Kerry was only 9%. NBC says they sampled too many Cuban precincts in Southern Florida that voted for Bush. Thus the difference. Give me a break!