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AmyCrat Donating Member (721 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 02:51 PM
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There are MANY People working on Election Fraud Issues...
Since we all agree that for the best of the cause itself, all our eggs should be in one basket. Many or working on issues related to Election Fraud including all the wonderfully committed people here at DU - http://www.democraticunderground.com/

Keith Olbermann www.Bloggerman.com

Greg Palast www.gregpalast.com

MoveOnPAC www.moveonpac.org

Jesse Jackson

Ralph Nader

Cobb

Green Party www.gp.org

Petition: www.petitiononline.com/uselect/petition.html

www.ElectionSquad.org

www.VerifiedVoting.com

www.BlackBoxVoting.COM

www.RecountOhio.org

Jeff Fisher www.jefffisherforcongress.com

Start your own local movement!

Add to the list!
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 03:11 PM
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1. I posted this earlier but here is a redux. Thankx to those of you
who answered this request before but I thought I would add this to Amycrats list!

I posted this earlier and almost no one was interested. People are always asking what we can do to help and here is a reporter who stuck his neck out and has done the most comprehensive reporting on vote fraud yet who is asking for our help. He is also listing the future projets he is working on. He is in our corner and we aren't even interested? This is the guy that wrote the article that the WH had to recognize! C'mon guys. We need reporters. Give up on the Harris stuff and help a real reporter! PLEASE HELP THIS REPORTER who is a credible investigator of voter fraud. The North Country News Is the only paper that has had the guts to tackle the whole story. The White House has even noticed what they are doing. Stop arguing about Bev and help this guy out! His name is Adam Stone . His email is Adam Stone <astone@northcountynews.com > This is an email to me. Please read all the wat through. The attached letter at the bottom is from one of his readers.

thanks for the kudos...

Possible follow ups: I'm working on

DNC talks.

Mainstream media silence.

Thoughts from local Congresswomen, Sue Kelly and Nita Lowey. Schumer and
Hillary, too, perhaps.

Anything you or others can do to help would be appreciated.

Please forward me the latest items from mainsream media on the topic. Not
opinion, just news items

An item below that might be of interest.

Adam

914 962 4748 x280

Robert Mueller, Director
Federal Bureau of Investigation
c/o White Plains Office
222 Bloomingdale Road
White Plains, New York

Dear Director Mueller:

On behalf of myself and other concerned citizens of Westchester County,
New York, I implore the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) to urgently
and intensively investigate evidence of widespread conspiracy to tamper with
votes and suppress voting in the 2004 Presidential election.

We request that the FBI immediately send additional agents to Ohio and
Florida, key electoral states where there are indications of gross tampering
and suppression.

In Ohio, for example, in 29 Cayuhoga County (Cleveland) precincts,
93,136 more votes were recorded than there are registered voters. In
addition to suspicious electronic vote counting, there were significant
problems in Ohio with the mechanics of voting, such as malfunctioning
machines and problems with poll log books.

It has been reported that J. Kenneth Blackwell, Ohio's chief election
official and the Ohio Bush-Cheney campaign chair, ensured there were ample
voting machines in Republican areas and a shortage of machines in
low-income and African-American areas, as well as areas expected to have a
high turnout of young voters. In spite of an increase in voter registration
in Ohio, fewer machines were said to have been provided than in 2000.

Werner Lange, a Youngstown pastor, said at hearings held November 13 by
the Ohio Election Protection Coalition that less than half of the usual
number of voting machines were available in one African-American community.
"This," he said, "caused an enormous bottleneck among voters who had to wait
a very, very long time to vote, many of them giving up in frustration and
leaving." He estimated that 7,000 votes were lost to Senator John Kerry in
Youngstown alone, due to insufficient voting machines.

Carol Shelton, presiding judge at a precinct in Columbus, said voting
machines were insufficient, that she called for more machines and was sent
one, "which did not make a dent in the line...This was a clear case of
voter
suppression by making voting an impossibility for anyone who had to go to
work or anyone who was stuck at home caring for children or the elderly
while another family member voted."

In Florida, initial counts showed 237,522 more votes cast for president
than there were people casting ballots. The state altered the vote count to
eliminate county discrepancies after independent researchers began to point
out contradictions. Keith Olbermann, reporting for MSNBC, found: "On the
same Florida Democratic ballots where Bush scored big, people supported
highly Democratic measures- such as raising the state minimum wage $1 above
the federal level. This indicates that only the presidential voting was
rigged."

In addition, an unknown number of Florida voters, particularly in
African-American communities, were effectively disenfranchised by long
waiting lines and faulty equipment. There is no reason for these
conditions to have existed in Florida after the experience of 2000 other
than because of official conspiracy to suppress the vote.

Discrepancies between exit polls and tallies from electronic voting
machines leaving no paper trails indicate the need for investigations in
Minnesota, New Mexico, Nevada, Wisconsin, Colorado, North Carolina, Iowa,
New Hampshire and Pennsylvania.

We request that the FBI interview, in addition to public officials,
employees of firms involved in electronic voting in the 2004, the most
prominent including: Diebold Election Systems; Election Systems and
Software; Science Applications International Corporation, Sequoia Voting
Systems; and VoteHere Inc.

And, we ask the FBI to determine whether national voting laws have been
violated and to what degree, if any, there was central direction of vote
tampering and vote suppression.

Sincerely,


Nick Mottern
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rdmccur Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 12:42 AM
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23. Direct him to Wayne Madsen asap
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 02:49 AM
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25. Add Richard Phillips, PhD page to the list; very good documenation
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AmyCrat Donating Member (721 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 02:55 AM
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26. looks like it has great info...
but it's a little confusing because of the title and hard to read (colors)... like the info though
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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 03:23 PM
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2. The Alliance for Democracy
www.thealliancefordemocracy.org
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AmyCrat Donating Member (721 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 03:40 PM
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3. www.thealliancefordemocracy.org (thanks for adding it Paul -- and a kick)
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CyberChas Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 03:43 PM
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4. HelpAmericaRecount.ORG
http://www.helpamericarecount.org

Just another one.

Charlie Levenson
Portland, Oregon
CLL2001@GMail.com
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SueZhope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 03:50 PM
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5. thanks Amycrat
Please note:

the link did not go to Keiths
bloggerman, here it is

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240/
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dodger501 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 03:52 PM
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6. I sure 'hope' there is more than BBV working on this:
Per Olbermann's blog today, Bev Harris called and was belligerent, threatening, etc. As Keith said, he is the only MSM covering this to any length. Talk about looking your gift horse.

He and BartCop are right, B. harris is the wrong one to be out front on this.
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AmyCrat Donating Member (721 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 03:54 PM
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7. oops mistyped it
should be www.bloggermann.com
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AmyCrat Donating Member (721 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 04:33 PM
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8. kick
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AmyCrat Donating Member (721 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 05:48 PM
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9. more links
Edited on Fri Dec-03-04 05:50 PM by AmyCrat
www.votergate.tv

www.thealliancefordemocracy.com

www.HelpAmericaRecount.org
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malatesta1137 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 06:01 PM
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10. nice list
but can you tell me what all these 'wonderfully committed' people have accomplished so far? Isn't Dec 6 the date for certification? Can they guarantee that the recount in Ohio for instance won't be rigged just like the first count was?
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AmyCrat Donating Member (721 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 06:02 PM
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11. I can't guarantee anything
just like no one else really can. The goal here is that there is more strength in numbers. More places to gather info, more people who believe there was fraud, more organizations that back the effort to uncover it -- it's all good.
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AmyCrat Donating Member (721 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 06:23 PM
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12. kick
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 06:43 PM
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13. Nice list. I was thinking more like Moe, Larry, both Curlies and Shemp.
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m.standridge Donating Member (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 06:44 PM
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14. all in one basket
Well, I'm struggling with that eggs idea.
I'm not against recounting Ohio, or even the Democrats putting in some backing, but I have been noting others are trying to do things in other states.
Of course, most famously is Florida, which, like Ohio, by itself could turn it around in the Elect College.
Then there was Nevada, where they were trying. It may be too late there now, from what I read today, but I'm still waiting to hear about the lawsuit that one judge rejected, as to whether it will be appealed.
Now, there's New Mexico, where they're asking for a recount.
Iowa was close and a slow count amid a lot of glitches
All three of these were closer, percentage-wise, than Ohio insofar as state tallies.
IF all three were recounted and went to Kerry, it would tie it up, 269-269 in the Electoral College, which would eventually give it to Bush and give the Democrats a lot of bad publicity.
I've been trying to put some data together here in AR. I'm sure others are, too. If AR, IA and either NM or NV went to Kerry, on some kind of recount or other, Kerry would get 270 elect votes w/0 OH or FL.
I've been going over the Sec'y State's site here, because even today they are still posting updated county tallies (12/3).
I got the total Undervote figures as given by the State at this time. It's 7909. I don't know the formula for this, or the historical average or the historical maximum average, etc. But I know it's fairly low most of the time, as to how many votes the Democrats get versus Republicans on these Undervote checks. About 1/4 become votes, and maybe more than half are Democrats, of that 1/4. In other words, the good news is that the Democrats usually pick up more votes than the GOP from undervote recounts. The bad news is that it ain't much. Here, that would be 54% of 26% of 7909, most probably, about 1050 votes, to come off of a 102,000+ vote lead. And even to get this much of a correction would cost into the thousands of dollars.
So, with a Bush margin here of around 102,000 votes over Kerry, there's little hope of a recount turning it around. Bush is down to 53.9% now, instead of 54%, since the State itself has made some corrections. And we don't have the kind of hostile GOP state machinery here, as in OH: our people are Demos. But, like Bush being at 50.90 in OH, with a 126,000 vote lead instead of a 136,000-vote one, it's slow going.
And we don't have tons of time.
However, apparently we do have, on some level, until January 6, not just until December 13. I'm just trying to find something to look at, some NUMBERS. I'm not a number person either, so I'm getting cross-eyed. But I just have my doubts about the official figures here, and I think, this time, they are off badly, not just moderately--more so than the Undervote figures I've just given. But I don't have one thing on paper to suggest this. Just a gut feeling, due to this Clinton activity in the last 24 hours. Every pre-11/2 poll in that last 24 hours showed Bush dropping here with female voters. Vietnam was important to women, and I think Clinton bridged a gap there when he got involved. And he's very popular HERE.
As for Iowa, well it's no good fooling with AR without IA anyway, since without the seven votes of Iowa and five from NV or NM, we can't go forward to win w/o Ohio or FL. I haven't heard anyone calling for a new count or check in Iowa, either.
No one's calling for one here, either, I'm just trying to see if there's anything else here.

We have a Native American population that's been more political active in the last few years, an increased Hispanic population, and a sizable disabled vet population. And we have Clinton.

On the other hand, there are now a lot of homeless in AR, as there are elsewhere. I just wonder: is it possible that a bad economy, when it's bad enough, ironically becomes harder to change because people can't meet residency requirements? I saw indications of this in PA in 1984, for example.
Was the voting equipment rigged, or is there some kind of built-in glitch in it that seems to always favor Bush? The New Hampshire recount didn't find this, but it was very limited in scope, though supposedly targeted by skilled academic professionals, but the state was highly fluid in the pre-election polls, so it's possible rural votes were more erratic than might have appeared, rather than the urban alone.
On and on we go. The number add up 10 at a time, against leads of hundreds of thousands, while time is whizzing by...


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CyberChas Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 07:22 PM
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15. The Iowa, Nevada, New Mexico Scenario
IF all three were recounted and went to Kerry, it would tie it up, 269-269 in the Electoral College, which would eventually give it to Bush and give the Democrats a lot of bad publicity.


I couldn't disagree more. If three separate states were all found to be awarded incorrectly, it would throw a horrible shadow of doubt on the entire electoral process. That might be our only hope for having a fair election in '06, when the house and senate would be returned to Dem hands and the impeachment and conviction could begin. The left-leaning judges can hold out two more years, and if necessary, we can un-do the dismantling of the 9th Circuit.

I, personally, like the IA/NV/NM scenario.


Charlie Levenson
Portland, ORegon
CLL2001@Gmail.com
(phone # on request)
----
As Susan in Denver (pookysuz) says: Stay Calm, Committed, Cognitive, and Coherent!
----
If we allow this election to stand without a fight, and the media convinces the masses that it was "fair and trouble-free" then we will never have another honest election in our lifetimes in this country.
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AmyCrat Donating Member (721 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 08:17 PM
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16. kick
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AmyCrat Donating Member (721 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 09:47 PM
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17. And More Links
Edited on Fri Dec-03-04 09:47 PM by AmyCrat
www.votewatch.us

www.commoncause-ohio.org/ccause/home.htm

http://shadowbox.i8.com/stolen.htm

www.votersunite.org

www.votecobb.org

www.caseohio.org

www.ncvoter.net

www.electionprotection2004.org
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AmyCrat Donating Member (721 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 12:15 AM
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18. bookmark 'm if you like (kick)
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 12:19 AM
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19. you forget to mention Michael Badnarik
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 12:26 AM
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20. Brad Friedman
Reason I found DU was because of his blog -- and I really appreciated the fact that it was focused on verified accounts...

http://www.bradblog.com

his latest update has to do with the Judiciary Hearings. Here is their website

http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/ -- updated today -- they've asked Blackwell to attend the hearings

tracy

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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 12:35 AM
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21. Here is the link to the Cobb site (It's very informative).
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AmyCrat Donating Member (721 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 12:41 AM
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22. more links added by DU'ers
www.bradblog.com

http://badnarik.org

www.votecobb.org
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AmyCrat Donating Member (721 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 02:30 AM
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24. could use another kick before bed ;) n/t
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 02:55 AM
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27. I'd invite all the HOs scanning the DU inventory,...to do the RIGHT thing.
You LOVE America? Then, show the balls/vagina to PROVE IT!!!

Those sworn to upholding the laws of this land,...protecting your people from dangers either foreign or domestic,...either do your duty or confess.

Can't handle being committed to principle or truth or protecting your own people,...fuck you,...you sell-out scum. You deserve the burden, if you have any conscience, of what is to come because you were a member of that which made it happen.
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Ronbrynaert Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 02:57 AM
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28. 50 States Mislead Their Voters
A project being undertaken by two blogs (http://www.whyareweback.blogspot.com and http://watchingthewatchers.org to document election irregularities in all 50 states.


Also here's two of the best blogs that I read every day:
http://www.bradblog.com
http://cannonfire.blogspot.com
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 03:35 AM
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29. League of Women Voters
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Chili Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 03:28 AM
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30. how about in the mainstream?
Edited on Wed Dec-08-04 03:33 AM by Chili
There are a few journalists actually following the story. For starters, there are 2 NYT writers whose names keep appearing: James Dao and Albert Salvato. I'd LOVE to hope that they are the new Woodward and Bernstein. Who knows?

They wrote:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2004/12/07/news/ohio.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/07/national/07ohio.html?oref=login&oref=login

Also, Juan Gonzales of the Daily News. He wrote:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/story/257365p-220441c.html

...plus one more recent one I missed that I have to track down, LOL.

And I didn't see the Free Press mentioned, but I may have missed it, my apologizes for the dupe if I did.

http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/975 and a whole slew of articles by Fritakis, Wasserman and others.

Also: Lisa Abraham of the Akron Beacon-Journal has written a number of articles also, she seems to be fair without the snide tilt. The ABJ endorsed Kerry.

Thanks, Amycrat!


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