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pbartch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 08:55 PM
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Brits say OHIO is busted too! Voter Fraud!!!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1363399,00.html

Voters to challenge US election
Julian Borger in Washington
Wednesday December 1, 2004
The Guardian

George Bush's victory in the US presidential election will be challenged in Ohio's supreme court today, when a group of Democratic voters will allege widespread fraud.
President Bush clinched re-election by winning the state of Ohio on November 2 by a margin of 136,000 votes over the Democratic candidate, John Kerry. Despite claims of fraud and technical glitches, Senator Kerry decided that they were not big enough to affect the result and conceded the election on November 3.

However, Cliff Arnebeck, a lawyer representing a group of voters challenging the Ohio result, claimed new analysis of various anomalies suggested it was rigged.

"We'll be calling for a reversal of the result based on evidence developed in the course of litigation," Mr Arnebeck told The Guardian yesterday. "Exit polling and substantial irregularities excluded votes that should have been counted. There is evidence that votes cast for one candidate were moved to the column of the other candidate."

Mr Arnebeck, a legal adviser to a liberal group, Alliance for Democracy, said the "contest of election" lawsuit will be presented to a judge from the Ohio supreme court today on behalf of at least 25 disgruntled voters. He said he expected other voters and organisations to join the case.

Ohio's secretary of state, Kenneth Blackwell, has until Monday to certify the result. His office did not return calls seeking comment yesterday but his spokesman, Carlo LoParo, told the Associated Press news agency: "There are no signs of widespread irregularities."

Mr Arnebeck said that hearings held in Ohio cities have brought to light new evidence of malpractice. He said one voter of a pro-Republican group caught destroying Democratic registration documents in Nevada before the election, had also been operating in Ohio.
Critics of the Ohio count have also pointed to the case of an electronic voting machine found to have credited President Bush with 3,893 extra votes in a suburb of Columbus where only 638 people voted. State officials have said those votes will not be included in the final certified totals.

There have also been complaints focused on punch card ballots, of the type which caused chaos in Florida in 2000. Voting involves making a hole in the ballot against the chosen candidate by punching out a small piece of card, a chad, with a stylus.

In the 68 Ohio counties where the ballots were used this year, according to some groups protesting at this year's election, vote counters were unable to determine a vote for the president, but did register votes for other offices.

The veteran civil rights leader, Reverend Jesse Jackson, is spearheading the call for an Ohio recount. "We can live with winning and losing. We cannot live with fraud and stealing," he said earlier this week.

The election challenge will be reviewed by a single judge out of the seven members of Ohio's supreme court, who may let the election stand, declare another winner, or throw out the result, forcing a recount or even a new vote. The ruling can be appealed to the full court.

Exit polls on election day suggested that the election could be heading towards a Kerry victory, deepening the despair in Democratic ranks at the Bush win. The anomaly was blamed on the exit polls, but Mr Arnebeck argued that it was evidence of malpractice.

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rolltide2005 Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 08:59 PM
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1. .
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 09:05 PM
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2. Good!! I have been bombarding the foreign press with updates!
in the hope that they would pick up the story.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 09:07 PM
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3. And the foreign press is the only place you'll see it. The media in the
US has made itself obsolete.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 10:00 PM
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4. Kick this story
at least it is getting coverage in this world!

:kick:
:dem:
:kick:
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 10:16 PM
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5. Most excellent to see this in the Guardian
The eyes of the world are beginning to focus on Ohio, and, by extension, on the mendacity and malfeasance of bush operatives in the service of their Lord and Master W.
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HeyManThatsCool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 10:25 PM
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6. In the words of
Bill & Ted- this news is "MOST EXCELLENT!"


Glad to see others are alert
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rdmccur Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 10:34 PM
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11. I liked that one too
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 10:27 PM
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7. Russian paper Pravda (not the old Pravda) has also
run a couple of articles about our rigged election. They started like Nov. 5th or so.
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s-cubed Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 10:29 PM
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8. KICK
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 10:29 PM
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9. I've been awaiting Pootie Poot to publically pooh pooh his soulmate.
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kizzdogg Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 10:30 PM
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10. can we challenge blue states?
can we challenge the votes in michigan or new hampshrie or pennsylvania too? they had smaller differences in the vote. but im sure you guys dont want to hear that....
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 10:35 PM
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12. yes, good idea
Edited on Fri Dec-03-04 10:36 PM by anamandujano
the repukes also padded their take in the blue states. I suspect they will not challenge anywhere so that some of their malfeasance can remain hidden.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 10:38 PM
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13. sent a thankyou
Thank you for this story

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1363399,00.html


Our once free press is now Republican owned and operated, like the electronic voting machines. We must depend on the world press to keep things honest.


editor@guardianunlimited.co.uk
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ArkySue Donating Member (647 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 10:44 PM
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14. Damn Cheaters!!!
Edited on Fri Dec-03-04 10:46 PM by ArkySue
You bet they padded their vote in the non-contested states! Arkansas was in the running as a semi-battlegroud state and in Pulaski County (the most populous county) we had MASSIVE early voting. To my chagrin, when I went to vote early, I noticed that for the first time ever, we had the ES&S touch screen voting machines. No paper trail. And we had record turnout, too. Don't know if it would have made a difference though. I haven't seen any stats on it.
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rdmccur Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-03-04 10:51 PM
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15. Arkansas
Why don't you start something. Maybe you can find some fellow Arkansans who are statisticians.
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