Alaska needs $7k more by Wednesday, Dec. 8 -- can you help?

[Eloriel]

http://216.156.183.56/


We took care of Washington, thankfully --

Breaking: Full hand recount for Washington governor's race
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1043346&mesg_id=1043346
Link: http://www.kirotv.com/politics/3966185/detail.html

Democrats finance manual recount of Washington state governor votes
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1043730
Link: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/aplocal_story.asp?category=6420&slug=WA%20Governor%20Recount


now let's help Alaska too!

[floridadem30]

1. I can't donate until tomorrow but I will get some friends to donate today

[Blue_In_AK]

12. Alaska recount

We use the Diebold Accu-Vote ... paper ballots where you black out a circle. I believe the exit polls were 51-49 in Tony Knowles' favor. He lost by around 9,000 votes, something like 3%. Tony's a very, very good man, a Vietnam vet, friend of Max Cleland (who came up here to campaign for him), progressive. He would have made a wonderful senator.

Here is a link from the Fairbanks News-Miner which tells the story:

http://www.news-miner.com/Stories/0,1413,113%257E7244%257E2567057,00.html


I haven't heard anyone actually mention "fraud," but I think people are just a little jumpy because of what has happened elsewhere.

An encouraging sign is that in this supposedly very red state, the letters to the editor in the Anchorage Daily News are running about 4-1 against Bush, all very angry. Everyone I know voted for Kerry. This would have been a very easy state for the republicans to pad their popular vote because Alaska always goes republican.

[JD Lau]

35. Wednesday is coming right up. I'll try to post this to my e-mail group.

Thanks for the info.

[Casablanca]

68. AK recount - best way to show nationwide election hacking

There are some solid reasons for people nationwide to get behind the AK recount effort:

1. It's relatively cheap to request a recount there.

2. A full and meaningful hand recount can be done relatively quickly there.

3. Since the oil boom of the early-80s, AK has become home to a lot of pseudo-libertarian arch-conservative Rush fans (many transplanted Texans looking for easy oil money) that would gladly hack an election to piss off them librills. I would bet money that if there was a coordinated nationwide Repub effort to hack the vote (and there was), someone got the memo in Alaska and implemented it to the hilt. If there's solid evidence of vote tampering to be found, it'll be found there.

4. Tony Knowles IS a good guy - an effective socially-progressive, fiscally-conservative politician, in the same ballpark as Howard Dean. He's the type of AK politician that was the rule, rather than the exception, 30 years ago when I lived up there. Much closer to the likes of Jay Hammond than Murkie.

5. Alaskans who aren't arch-conservatives are true activists by necessity. They deserve a lot of support.

Up to $6,700 this morning. Bump!

[Helga Scow Stern]

2. Gladly!

"If we don't save our democracy, there won't be any Christmas!"

[pbartch]

11. What is happening in Alaska??? Can you provide a link

so we know why we need to donate? Thanks and keep up the GOOOOOOOOD WORK!!!!!!

[jamboi]

3. Is MoveOn in on this one? n/t

[Eric J in MN]

24. It doesn't seem like MoveOn is involved with Alaska.

Their website mentions recounts in OH, NM, and FL:

https://www.moveonpac.org/donate/recount.html

[spotbird]

4. Rather than providing links

it is much more helpful to give a summary or cut and paste of the problem. You're asking thousands of people for their money.. make a compelling start, it will improve your odds.

[Eloriel]

15. Oh, ferchrissake

I had no idea clicking a goddamned link was that much trouble.

Me? I'm busy, busy, busy, busy cutting and pasting ELSEWHERE these days:

VOTE FRAUD LINKS - A DU Compendium - Thread #4
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=201&topic_id=6166&mesg_id=6166

VOTE FRAUD LINKS - A DU Compendium - Thread #3
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=201x4927

VOTE FRAUD Links Compendium - Thread #2
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=201x3223

VOTE FRAUD Links - a DU Compendium
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=201&topic_id=1984#


What are YOU doing that makes it too much trouble and too time-consuming to click a friggin' LINK?

I didn't really have the time to post as much as I did, 'cept I care about this a lot.

And if you're QUITE done lecturing me about how to post things at DU, by all means, please lecture about my ATTITUDE, will you, 'cause right now it farkin' SUCKs, thank you very little.

[LiberalAndProud]

78. Just a hug.

:hug:

Cuz you have been working hard. Many thanks, Eloriel!

[Straight Shooter]

5. Oh, dear, give me time to absorb the shock of more money for recounts

and then I'll donate on Monday.

Is bush the most expensive squatter we've ever had in the White House or what? It's like he's picking our pockets constantly while we're trying to get justice to keep him from picking our pockets even more. x(

[bluedeminredstate]

6. The DNC

is seriously pissing me off! Imagine citizens having to pony up out of their much lighter wallets (thanks chimpy!) to ensure that something so fundamental to our Democracy is carried out fairly.
Why isn't the DNC writing checks then doing a fund raising campaign after? It's electoral blackmail on some level...
:(

[rodeodance]

28. Why indeed! Where IS the DNC!!

[bunny planet]

36. I agree, Donna Brazile trashed Kerry for holding on to what she said was

DNC money, he gave them something like 15 million dollars. Why aren't they sending bucks for the Alaska recount. I just sent the DNC a nasty letter this morning complaining about their lack of support for the election fraud investigation, told them they'd get no more money from me unless they took on that issue and ensured fair election process going forward. I donated through Moveon for the Washington state recount. I won't donate any money to the DNC period. Is anyone else raising money for the Alaska recount, I'll gladly donate to them.

[bunny planet]

37. Just donated to the Alaska recount site posted in original message

:kick:

[Eric J in MN]

47. kick

kick

[Eric J in MN]

39. For the DNC, $10,000 wouldn't be a lot. (NT)

NT

[Blue_In_AK]

7. Alaska recount

Thank you so much for bringing up the Alaska recount. I wanted to but I haven't been here long enough to start a thread. Our democratic candidate Tony Knowles (former mayor of Anchorage, former governor) was ahead in the exit polls on election night (sound familiar?) and we thought for sure he would pull it off after the votes from the heavily democratic outlying native villages were all counted, but unfortunately incumbent Republican Lisa Murkowski held on to win. For those of you who are unfamiliar with Alaska politics, she was appointed to her position by her father, former do-nothing senator Frank Murkowski, when he resigned from the Senate to run for governor of Alaska in 2002 (which he won -- gag. I think he has like a 60% disapproval rating right at the moment). There were loud cries of nepotism, and in this most recent election a referendum was passed by an overwhelming majority making such appointments illegal in the future. In other words, we will have an election to replace senators who leave early if this sort of thing comes up again. Because this referendum passed so resoundingly it seems somewhat odd that Lisa was re-elected.

The fear tactic that was used here was that if Tony was elected, he would side with Daschle, Kennedy and (gasp) Hillary against developing ANWR (although he has in reality always been pro-ANWR development). The other argument was that it would somehow dilute Ted Stevens' power, that it would force him to resign from some of his chairmanships or whatever (even though with term limits, he has to resign regardless). Alaskans who love to brag on and on about how independent they are ("We don't care HOW they do it Outside"), are actually totally dining on federal pork chops, thanks to Ted. It's disgusting.

Anyway, thanks for any help you all can give to this recount. It's a long shot, and Tony has respectfully declined to participate, but with everything else going on, who knows?

[jamboi]

8. Is there any indication of election fraud? What kind of voting tech do you

use (ie. paper, machines, etc)? How close is the race? What did the exit polls say?

[rdmccur]

10. Maybe Bush got a little padding up north as well, eh?

[jamboi]

19. Does anyone know the answers to the questions I asked above? n/t

[Eric J in MN]

23. This is what the webpage says

A recount seems justified primarily for two reasons:

1. Exit polls showed Tony Knowles winning (50 - 47 %) http://www.politicalstrategy.org/archives/000738.php, but in the results he lost by a significant margin.
2. Alaska has an efficient and up-to-date voting system. Nevertheless, no system is foolproof. Optical scan machines like those used in Alaska have generated anomalous results in Florida and elsewhere and were targeted in the New Hampshire recount (which, by the way, is showing in that case that the machines were reasonably accurate. www.boston.com but that there were some anomalies (article in the Nation).

[rdmccur]

9. Try to get $100 or more at once

At the site it's suggested it will facilitate things if people coordinate to give $100 or more (i.e. group together if you can't afford that much individually)

[rockedthevoteinMA]

14. Thanks for the update and background.

I have seen that Lisa Murkowski on CSPAN and she really bothered me. I am glad to hear you guys are fighting for your election.

I will donate as soon as I get my check! Best of luck. :)

[Eloriel]

16. Odd indeed

Thanks for the additional info. Good luck up there!!!

And welcome to DU!!!

[Blue_In_AK]

17. Thanks

Thank you again, Eloriel, for bringing this up. Yes, Lisa Murkowski is bothersome. Prior to her appointment to the U.S. Senate, her only political experience was as an Alaska state representative for three years. In that capacity, she was fairly moderate, i.e., somewhat pro-choice, equal rights, etc., but since going to DC she's taken a pretty hard turn to the right. My take is that she will do pretty much whatever Uncle Ted Stevens tells her to. Also troubling is that in Alaska once you get elected to U.S. Congress, it's pretty much for life. Ted's been down there 35 years and Don Young in the House 34 years. Lisa's daddy was there 20 years before he came back here to be guv. The democrats here hardly even bother running anyone against these guys. Tony was our last best hope. It's so sad ... I get all choked up just thinking about it.

[Casablanca]

70. Alaska recount - bump! (up to $6,700)

"Alaskans who love to brag on and on about how independent they are ("We don't care HOW they do it Outside"), are actually totally dining on federal pork chops, thanks to Ted."

Sounds like a typical Red State mentality.

"It's a long shot, and Tony has respectfully declined to participate ..."

That sounds oddly familiar also.

[Blue_In_AK]

13. Alaska recount

Sorry my answer to somebody's question got into the wrong order. See #12. (I'm new at this)

[Lil]

18. kick for Alaska

[Ronbrynaert]

20. 50 States Mislead Their Voters: Alaska

I thought it would be helpful to include my short (so far) article on Alaska from my series "50 States Mislead Their Voters" at http://www.whyareweback.blogspot.com .


ALASKA

DIRTY TRICKS - Lt. Gov. Loren Leman, the Republican chief of the Division of Elections (In Alaska, the Lt. Gov. serves as Secretary of State), was responsible for the wording of a ballot initiative that a Superior Court judge ruled was "inaccurate and biased." (USA Today) A group of Democratic legislators drafted an initiative which would "abolish appointments and require a special election in all cases except when the vacancy occurs within 60 days of a primary election," because in 2002 Republican Frank Murkowski appointed his daughter Lisa Murkowski to his Senate seat after he was elected governor. Lt. Gov. Loren Leman wrote the initiative's ballot summary which erroneously read that Alaska could be without a senator for three to five months, and kept the summary secret until the ballots were printed. "Emphasizing one consequence to the exclusion of others is impermissible advocacy," Judge Moorage Christen wrote in his decision.

VOTE SUPPRESSION - "Calling it an outrageous attempt at voter suppression, Alaska Democratic Party (ADP) chair Scott Sterling blasted the Murkowski Administration for challenging the ADP's absentee voter mailer that was previously approved by the State Division of Elections. It is clearly a tactic being used by Gov. Frank Murkowski and Lt. Gov. Loren Leman to prevent people from voting absentee and suppress voter turnout." Sterling noted that the Republican Party fills out absentee ballot forms with the name and other information, including party registration, of the voter, even though the ADP was specifically told not fill in such information. Sterling also noted a recent Republican Party mailer signed by party chair Randy Ruedrich that accused the Democratic Party of "legal manipulations" by challenging Loren Leman's wording of the Trust the People ballot initiative. The courts ruled against Leman and ordered the ballot be reprinted (Daily Kos Diary Snuffleupagus).

Just two days before election day, Laura Glaiser, director of the state Divisions of Elections, announced that 100 electronic voting machines made by Ohio-based Diebold Election Systems would not be used "because of increasing concerns about their lack of a paper trail and vulnerability." "I have to look at the integrity of the voting process," Ms. Glaiser said (Anchorage Daily News).

"In 2000, 13% of the total vote was uncounted in Alaska (Edison Media Research). "In 1998 Alaska had 66,000 more registered voters than Census estimates of its voting age population. And in almost every election cycle there are reports of turnout exceeding the actual number of registered voters in a given precinct." (US Senate Committe).

[Blue_In_AK]

21. Good job, Ronbrynaert

One small correction. The judge is MORGAN Christen. If you think Loren Leman mangled the language on the succession referendum, you should have seen what he did with the legalize marijuana initiative. He had to go back to court on that one, too. (He's a real Holy Roller type). And Randy Ruedrich, the Republican party chair, was fined a large amount, $12,000, I think, for ethics violations, but Governor Frank gives him high marks, says he's doing a fine job, and keeps him on. Republicans are the same all over........

[Ronbrynaert]

22. Moorage or Morgan

Hmmm,

USA Today and MSNBC both wrote the judge's name as Moorage...but Morgan Christen seems to be correct...thanks.

[Carolab]

25. I gave

kick

[Eric J in MN]

26. Thank you (NT)

NT

[rodeodance]

27. $10,000 needed and $4,300 recieved in pledges or actual donations

Alaska recount problem:

December 4, 2004 2:07
$10,000
$4,300

[Eloriel]

29. Oh, dear, we need to kick it UP a notch!!

:kick:

[senegal1]

30. kick n/t

[Blue_In_AK]

31. Thanks for the bump

I still think it would be worthwhile to investigate whether Bush padded his popular vote here. The race between Tony and Lisa, even if the totals don't change with a recount, was much closer than the presidential race, which Bush apparently walked away with here. It's hard for me to imagine someone voting for Tony Knowles for senator and George Bush for president. Does - not - compute......

[Eric J in MN]

32. Now up to $4,500 (goal of $10,000) NT

NT

[Eric J in MN]

33. kick

kick

[Eric J in MN]

49. kick

kick

[JD Lau]

34. Kick.

[jamboi]

54. kick

[Eric J in MN]

38. kick

kick

[Blue_In_AK]

40. Padding?

I posted this on another thread but it seems relevant here, too. G.W. Bush received almost 79,000 more votes here than John Kerry. Lisa Murkowski only defeated democrat Tony Knowles by 9,000+. Why 70,000 more votes for Bush than the republican senate candidate? I have written to the Recount Alaska 2004 folks to see if they are planning to double-check Alaska's presidential votes, too. No reply yet.

[Eric J in MN]

42. That often happens in Republican states, that the US Senate

race is closer than the presidential vote.

Daschle barely lost South Dakota, but Kerry lost by a big margin in South Dakota.

[Blue_In_AK]

43. Daschle

I've wondered about that, too. Do you think Daschle REALLY lost? With his leadership position, it seems almost as weird as if Ted Stevens were to "ever" lose Alaska (which will probably not happen until he's dead, the old codger).

[Eric J in MN]

44. Yes, polls showed Daschle losing before the election.

I got a sense that South Dakota voters were ready for someone new.

Also, new id requirements in South Dakota meant some American Indians, who trend Democratic, couldn't vote.

[Blue_In_AK]

45. Thanks

I'm new at this, so I appreciate all the info. I'm going crazy thinking of all the angles. Is my hatred of Bush getting the better of my discriminating reasoning?

[floridadem30]

41. Just donated.

[Eric J in MN]

46. Thank you (NT)

NT

[KatieB]

48. Just gave $25

[Eric J in MN]

50. Thank you (NT)

NT

[Eric J in MN]

51. kick

kick

[Blue_In_AK]

52. Can I KICK?

[Eric J in MN]

53. Theyr're up to $5,100.

Past the halfway mark:.

http://216.156.183.56

[Eric J in MN]

55. kick

kick

[Blue_In_AK]

56. Eric J, You Rock ... thank you for kicking this up.

They're up to $6,000 now. We sent $50 today.

[Eric J in MN]

57. You're welcome (NT)

NT

[Carolab]

58. KICK

[jamboi]

61. .

[jamboi]

92. .

[truehawk]

59. kick

[nedbal]

60. http://www.alaskarecount2004.org/

being wary of internet scams the numeric IP struck me, it's all legit

http://216.156.183.56 =
http://www.alaskarecount2004.org/ =
Recount Alaska 2004

it takes time fot a dns to get around, so they used the numeric first


http://www.nonukesnorth.net , No Nukes North seems to be a long term legit group

http://www.juneauempire.com/stories/120104/sta_20041201006.shtml
U.S. Senate recount sought
Recount Alaska 2004 is soliciting money to finance new talley


THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

.............
After that, any candidate or group of at least 10 voters can ask for a recount. The request must come within five days of the review board certifying the results.

Knowles will not be joining the recount effort, said his spokesman Bob King.

"We have told them we appreciate their thoughts and their efforts, but Knowles does not believe that there's any way that a recount would change the outcome," King said.

Sean McGuire, a member of the recount group, said the recount would be a worthwhile "exercise in democracy."

"I think the main thing is people just really want to take a look and see: Were all the votes counted and were they counted accurately?" said McGuire..............

DONATE

[borealowl]

62. Alaska Recount 2004

I've never posted on DU before but I've been working on the Alaska Recount 2004 campaign. We've got over $6,000 now in donations and pledges. We need $4000 more TODAY! Go to AlaskaRecount2004.org; it allows you to donate by Paypal.

The chances are at good that, as in New Hampshire, the recount will not show huge discrepancies from the final tally. But it might. We won't know unless we count those ballots. Our elections division definitely is sloppier under the new GOP lieutenant governor than it was under Fran Ulmer, who was Tony Knowles' lieutenant governor.

Fran took her responsibility to run the elections division seriously. She put together an excellent election system with optical scanners and conflict-of-interest laws that apply to election officials. She rejected the touchscreen computers because they have no paper trail. We bought the scanners from Global Election Systems, which was bought out by Diebold a couple of years ago, unfortunately. That's when the system in my view started getting weaker.

And then Fran ran for governor as Knowles' two terms were up. She lost the race to Frank Murkowski, our long-term do-nothing ex-banker senator who decided he wanted to be governor instead for awhile. After winning, with no warning that she was even on his short list, she appointed his daughter Lisa as senator. Lisa was known as a moderate Republican in the state legislature, but in Congress she's been toeing the party line and has disappointed most of us who hoped she'd be at least an improvement over her father. However, she's been voting with the right.

It's all in the family...and meanwhile under Frank Murkowski's lieutenant governor Leman's direction, our elections division has gotten weaker yet, although many of the same good elections staff are still in place. There were problems with biased wording in the supposedly neutral election brochure; there were a number of complaints from people who didn't get absentee ballots on time, and so forth.

If you want to read two editorials on our election problems, go to JuneauEmpire.com, click on Archives, click on October 24 on the calendar that shows up, then click on Opinion...

It is plausible that last-minute top gun campaigning pulled the Senate race off for Lisa Murkowski. However, the exit poll curiously showed Knowles winning. Furthermore, it was a very closely contested race with plenty of outside interest. People with no special concern for Alaska but wanting to ensure GOP control of the Senate might have been tempted to try to hack our election. Whether anyone actually tried, we don't know.

Most of us don't suspect either the elections staff or the candidates themselves of fraud. It would have somehow had to have happened behind their backs. Again, we use accu-vote optical scanners with Diebold tabulating software. Alaska owns some touchscreen computers but did not use them for this election. Certain rural districts still count by hand.

We basically are just a bit nervous about this election and want the reassurance of a recount. Tony Knowles, from what I heard, didn't want to himself request the recount, because he doesn't think enough votes will change to overturn the results. But people within the campaign are sympathetic to our efforts. And Jim Sykes, the Green Party candidate for Senate, is actively involved.

I think of myself as a democracy advocate more than as a Democrat. I doubt that our system is tamperproof, even if it's better than Ohio's or Florida's!

We are asking for a hand recount but the elections division prefers running ballots through the machine again. We will try to persuade them that it's the machine software which we mistrust.

It's really not that expensive compared to other states. All we need is 60 people to make $100 donations, or 120 people to make $50 donations. Basically, we have until 5 Wednesday to turn in an application. So today is THE DAY for collecting donations. It would be a pity to not be able to do this because we couldn't quite come up with the cash. If you have any friends in Alaska, or friends who love Alaska, maybe you could give them a call.

http://AlaskaRecount2004.org

[Eric J in MN]

63. Democratic Underground is a great website, so please keep posting

in the future.

[borealowl]

64. Alaska

Okay, thanks for the invite. I just found out you can read through messages without the emoticons, which I find sort of distracting in serious discussions; so that makes DU more attractive to me!

Let's keep this item on top today. I'll need some sleep as I was up all night doing this recount project, so will you people be my allies and keep talking about Alaska and what a great state this is and how lovely it would be to recount our ballots? Isn't it nice that we can? That's what paper ballot trails are for. If you don't walk down those trails made of paper now and then, what's the point of having them?

Thanks!

I'm afraid about we need a thousand more than we're advertising because one person doesn't seem to be coming through with a promise, so far. We actually need $50 each from 80 - 100 people. C'mon, we can do that! If forty or fifty people each donate $50 and talk a friend into doing the same...

http://AlaskaRecount2004.

(Note, I don't know whether the recount will be a hand count, a machine recount, or some of each, we're arguing for as much hand counting as possible. If we can't get at least a partial recount by hand, we might not go ahead with the project, in which case your money will be refunded).

[Broken Acorn]

65. kick

[Eric J in MN]

66. You should go door-to-door today and tomorrow

instead of relying entirely on the internet.

[borealowl]

67. Alaska

I'm making phone calls. No time for door to door.

And we don't have today and tomorrow; we have to hand in a check tomorrow! This has only just begun to catch on, unfortunately. Many Alaskans are still unaware it's even going on.

You guys can make phone calls too! Especially to people you know in Alaska, or people who have visited Alaska and are fond of the place.

Or people you know who dream about visiting Alaska.

Or people you know who dream about fair elections everywhere.

We used to have those, I think...it's not one of those impossible dreams.

Just getting more and more unlikely.

[Blue_In_AK]

69. Another Alaskan

Borealowl -- How nice to see another Alaskan here. You explained it all so much better than I did since I haven't been an insider to the recount. Not to change the subject, but what do you think of Renkes and Ruedrich?? Sheesh......

[borealowl]

72. Alaska Recount

Don't know much about R and R, but even if you're not an "insider", you can contact friends about donations today! If you want to get on the insider list, by the way, go to AlaskaRecount2004.org and contact David K. Or join CountEveryVoteAlaska, it's a yahoo group.

[Eric J in MN]

80. Good luck.

NT

[Eric J in MN]

81. Pleae update your website so we know how much is left to collect (NT)

NT

[Casablanca]

71. Bump! Just $4,300 to go! nt

[borealowl]

73. two threads on Alaska

We only need this one, but keep kicking it upstairs!

http://alaskarecount2004.org

[Blue_In_AK]

82. $3,300, I believe n/t

[Blue_In_AK]

74. kick

[borealowl]

75. Is it possible

to raise three thousand dollars in one day this way?

AlaskaRecount2004.org

[Blue_In_AK]

76. I think so

They've picked up quite a bit of $$ in the past two days. If you contribute and they don't get enough money, they'll return your contribution.

[Carolab]

77. Kick

[borealowl]

79. Kick

AlaskaRecount2004.org

[smartvoter]

83. Just contributed $50.

[smartvoter]

84. kick.

[borealowl]

85. Almost There

Thanks everyone - we're only $1,500 short now of our goal. If all goes smoothly we'll hand in our request today along with a check. We'll still need some contributions to cover the person who is making up the difference between what we've got and what we need. You guys 'n gals made a big difference. If you want to keep checking on the status of this, go to http://AlaskaRecount2004.org. If you haven't made a contribution yet, you might kick in. It feels good!

[Blue_In_AK]

87. Great news

You should have received our check by now. Good luck with the recount. :)

[rdmccur]

88. When's the drop dead time/date?

[rdmccur]

89. I know now

FYI it's 5 pm today (is that pst?)

[Blue_In_AK]

90. Time

It's Alaska Standard Time, one hour earlier than PST.

[smartvoter]

86. They're at $8,500. n/t

[Blue_In_AK]

91. Almost there

They only need $500 according to web site. Woo-hoo!!

[UVASAM1]

93. maybe change the reason

if they're going to ask for money for a recount based on exit polls showing Tony Knowles winning, they might not want to cite to a page where 1/2 of the exit polls were wrong. Not too persuasive to give $$ over the net.

[Blue_In_AK]

94. Exit polls

Whatever the exit polls said is not all that relevant. The fact is that before the election, all the polls showed Tony and Lisa running very close, a dead heat basically. And it does seem suspicious with so many people angry about the way Lisa got her job that she would still manage to win this.

[karlrschneider]

95. half of exit polls wrong? What are you talking about?

:eyes:
Aren't you aware they were "adjusted" to agree with the return figures?

[rdmccur]

99. Takes time for this information

to leak down I guess. Many people still don't understand exit polls and what they mean.

[rdmccur]

100. Except in the Ukraine.

[Blue_In_AK]

96. Recount Alaska goal reached

From the web site: "Thanks to everyone who contributed. We reached our goal and flights permitting we will be submitting the application for a recount. We'll also be updating the website with more information as soon as we can. (And as soon as we recover!). The recount will probably start Monday."


Thanks to everyone here who helped.

[jamboi]

97. Yahoo! n/t

[smartvoter]

98. I second that! n/t

[trudyco]

101. Wonderful

I gave. Figured they needed it more than PBS which has been going downhill anyways.

Are they doing a handcount at all? Do they get to examine the poll books for ghost votes, double votes?

I wish I could participate in one of these recounts.

[Blue_In_AK]

102. Hand count

There was a brief report on our local NBC station news tonight saying that the recount was going forward, and I believe they did say that it would be a hand count because the whole issue is that the optical scanners can't always be trusted. The Recount Alaska 2004 web site hasn't been updated yet with all the details.