Jesse Jackson on CNN this morning (12/04/04)...

[Orsino]

...to talk about "why he thinks a recount is necessary." Coming up this hour, if i heard correctly.

[pocoloco]

1. recount??

How about a re-vote??

[Higans]

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[Poppyseedman]

2. Jesse should go home

Why in the world doesn't the DNC send someone with a bit more credibility than Jackson to Ohio?

There needs to be a fresh face addressing these problems.

His tactics are shopworn and old. The MSM doesn't see Jackson as a big player anymore, just a side show for entertainment value.

If we are going to get a recount or better a re-vote in Ohio, we're going to need some heavy hitter coming up to the plate hammering home the fraud and serious issues with voting.

[farmbo]

4. Wait a minute...the Ohio Vote Fraud issue was dead until Jesse spoke up

We in Ohio are truly grateful that he's willing to stick out his neck on this issue.

Would we rather have Bill Clinton...of John Kerry? Certainly.

But you dance with who brung ya.

[LisaL]

6. Exactly.

I am extremely thankful to Jesse for talking about it, since it seems none of the "heavy hitters" would even mention it.

[Poppyseedman]

7. Come Monday when Blackwell

certifies the results the issue will still be dead.

They isn't a court in the land that will overturn his decision.

I can't help but think Jesse is doing this for his 15 minutes of face time because no one else that is powerful is saying a peep.

The only way it is going to happen is if the people make it happen.

Jesse can get his base fired up, but it's going to take more than that group of people.

[jamboi]

20. I think you're in for a rude awakening. n/t

[tinanator]

21. those people?

is it my imagination or...

[Tace]

22. Interesting Screenname Poppyseedman

[Quakerfriend]

5. Sadly, I agree

He is just not the face that should be put on this. However, I do think more highly of him for being out there for all of us.;)

[noclonyofthechimp]

8. I agree. Unfortunately, despite his hard work and efforts, I just don't

see him being received as credible anymore by many. Question: Do you think that the Dem Party may have been waiting for Katherine Blackwell to certify on Monday so they may ask for and help finance a county by county recount in Ohio? They just helped finance the Washington State hand recount through donations. I received a request by them for that recount, but unfortunately, I haven't received anything regarding Ohio.

[Poppyseedman]

10. I think you are right about why they are waiting, but

the final difference is somewhere around 118,000 votes we need to come up even.

If it was closer, say under 50,000, they would probably do it.

I just don't see it happening.

Blackwell has state law on his side and the Federal courts normally don't intervene unless there are very serious problems with the state laws. In Ohio, you and I may think so, but the bottom line is I don't think the federal courts would agree with us.

[noclonyofthechimp]

11. A federal judge jus refused to block a recount in Columbus though.

that was a start. It is posted in breaking news. Although they did not grant the request to start before Ms. Blackwell certifies on Monday.

[bklyncowgirl]

15. DNC wants nothing to do with this

DNC is apparently not willing to rock the boat.

As far as MSM goes, Jackson has gotten this issue more coverage than before he spoke out on it.

Jackson is the only major figure in the Democratic Party to step forward on this and despite all his flaws, I am grateful for his wilingness to put his reputation on the line.

[pointsoflight]

16. Jesse was the one to bring media attention to this.

And he should be thanked for that. Main-stream media wouldn't touch it before Jesse stepped in.

Now we have both Jesse and some other heavy hitters involved, too. Nothing wrong with that.

[Straight Shooter]

17. Explain the "credibility" problem with Jesse Jackson

Explain why you believe the DNC was responsible for "sending" Jackson to Ohio.

Explain why a "fresh face" with no history whatsoever would be granted any face time with the MSM.

Explain which tactics of JJ are "shopworn," and in which situations those tactics have been used without positive results.

Explain which members of the MSM see JJ as a side show, and again give instances to support your assertion.

Thank you very much.

[Psyop Samurai]

18. ...my questions exactly

I'm tired of false, fabricated consensus, and refuse to play along.

I looked at my co-workers last night and said, "Who exactly is this "Middle America" they've been feeding us all these years? Who the hell are WE, if not "Middle America"? If there IS such a thing as "Middle America", I believe in my heart that they have respect for truth tellers and disdain for cowards and liars."

[eleny]

23. I'm listening to the after-rally forum in Ohio on Radio Left

Greg Palast spoke earlier and said he contacted Jackson when Palast discovered that black voters were being targeted for challenges at the polls. And it wasn't being covered by msm. So, Jackson went down to CNN in Georgia, walked into the offices and demanded that the issue be covered.

I'd say Jackson was asked to get involved. And where it involves voting rights of black people - any people - he has a place.

Thanks for your "Explain..." posting. Great response to Cheswick!

[Poppyseedman]

24. Answers

You are naive if you think Jesse went to Ohio without first checking with the DNC. Didn't meant to imply the DNC sent him, Jesse will do what he thinks is right.

I didn't say a "fresh face" with no history. There are several prominent democrats who have lots of credibility with the MSM.

Jesse tactics are shopworn, give me one situation in the last 5 years where he has had a positive impact besides lining his own pockets. Where has he pushed a candidate over the edge to win a close victory, changed a policy though pro - action, swing an election, even a local one?

Unfortunately for the party and for Jackson himself, a vast majority of Americans thinks he is a ass clown. Just ask your avg. Joe in the street.

O'Reilly, that pompous prick ridicules him all the time, Hannity, the brainless twit, asks him questions Jackson simply won't answer or doesn't. Colmes trys to ask him good questions, but Hannity hogs the time. Even Matthews sort of disses him in a nice way.

Bottom line is a lot people see Jackson for what he is, a self aggrandizing publicity hound.

The Rev. moniker lost it's shine a long time ago. That is a lose, lose for the party.

[newyawker99]

19. Hi Poppyseedman!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[bj2110]

3. He'll be on in 30 mins...

[bj2110]

9. he's on next n/t

[rockedthevoteinMA]

12. Any updates? n/t

[bj2110]

13. Well, they said they had him coming up next, went to a commercial,...

and still haven't showed or mentioned anything else. I guess he got bumped? Meybe they taped something and he'll be on a later segment. Damn CNN.

[rockedthevoteinMA]

14. Thank you :) n/t