Chicago Tribune. Dead voters on rolls, glitches found in 6 key states

[blitzburgh55]

More than 181,000 dead people were listed on the rolls in the six swing states, despite efforts to clean up the country's voting system after the 2000 election.

Thousands more voters were registered to vote in two places, which could have allowed them to cast more than one ballot.

Further, more than 90,000 voters in Ohio cast ballots without a valid presidential choice. Either they decided not to choose a candidate, the machine failed to register their choice, or they mistakenly voted for more than one candidate.

And the FBI is investigating allegations that Republicans in Florida mounted a large-scale campaign to tamper with ballots.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-0412040222dec04,1,1925530.story?coll=chi-news-hed

[ReneB]

1. hu.. sounds interesting.. maybe you can paste more infos

about the fbi investigating in florida?

you need to be registered at the chicago tribune.

thanks

[Viva_La_Revolution]

32. bugmenot.com.....

will give you a username and password for most sign-in sites. Very handy! http://www.bugmenot.com/

[berniew1]

35. Dead voters on the role is nothing unusual; dead voters don't notify offi

Dead voters are on the roles in all states; there is no systematic way to catch all such- though there are supposed to be periodic attempts to remove such. If a dead voter is determined to have voted, that would be another thing entirely. But its not likely to swing an election unless there is a major fraudulent effort to purchase,accumulate and distribute credentials. You would think word would get out about such.

[read the law first]

53. Vital records are supposed to inform the Secretary of State of deaths

In most states, the vital records division (the people who keep up with death certificates) are supposed to turn over reports of death to the Secretary of State's office for forwarding to the local election officials.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

2. This is significant. Fisher's story???

"And the FBI is investigating allegations that Republicans in Florida mounted a large-scale campaign to tamper with ballots."

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

3. LOL! Answering my own question!

Just read the whole article:

Also in Florida, Democratic congressional candidate Jeff Fisher, who was defeated Nov. 2, said he had seen e-mails outlining a Republican plot to steal the presidential election. The plot, he said, involved election workers who created bogus voter registrations. The workers then rigged computers to show those ghost voters had cast ballots for Bush.

The FBI confirmed that Fisher had filed a complaint and that agents were investigating.

[intelle]

19. The fact that the FBI confirmed that they were investigating

must mean that Jeff Fisher had some credible evidence.

[read the law first]

45. FBI is required by law to investigate Please don't be mad and yell at me

I am very hesitant to post this because I don't want to take abuse for simply passing along what I have personal knowledge is true.

It's one of the oldest tricks in politics. Make an allegation about someone (or somebodies) to the FBI. The FBI has to investigate it by law. When they call you back, go public with the fact that the "FBI has contacted me with regard to x's illegal behavior that they are investigating." When asked, the FBI will confirm that they are investigating because they are required by law to investigate (it sounds sexy "FBI confirms candidate x is being investigaged" but it's really just an announcement that "we're doing our job the way we're supposed to be doing it"). But they won't say much more until there's either an indictment or one of the targets of the investigation obtains a "no further action at this time" letter and goes public with it. This information was confirmed to me personally first hand by an on duty FBI "public integrity" Agent.

The pukes do it more and certainly with more ruthlessness, but we do it too. It's one of the oldest tricks in the book.

I'm already wincing from the flaming I'm about to take for passing this along. So flame on, but I hope the info is helpful in your analysis.

[merh]

58. You are exactly right, no flames from me.

That is what concerns me the most. Have the FBI been instructed to take the complaints but do nothing? :shrug:
The FBI is an arm of the DOJ, is controlled by the Attorney General(the repuke AG). Will these matters really be investigated? Are there "rouge" members of the FBI that take it seriously and are pursuing the investigation? I just don't know.

Welcome to DU, btw! :hi:

[rdmccur]

62. FBI

Still there may be some agents who do their job and these are the ones whomay find out something.

[Verve]

63. If I understand it correctly you are saying an FBI agent

gave you the general procedure for handling an investigation. You are not saying you talked "first hand" with an agent about this particular case. Right? Excuse me if this question sounds dense. I just wanted to make sure I understood you correctly.

Welcome to D.U. :hi:

[read the law first]

67. no, it was a candidate who had been accused by a political opponent...

...in order to generate a headline right before the election that "candidate x was under FBI investigation for corruption."

Slimey move.

But the Agent did say that their required standard response to any formal complaint was to investigate it and if asked about it to say that the matter was being investigated. So, in other words, "The FBI confirms that it is investigating candidate x based on a complaint by candidate y" means nothing more than "The FBI has received a complaint against candidate x by candidate y" until the investigation either results in an indictment or a no further action statement. Their confirmation that they are investigating based on a complaint does not indicate that there's any wrongdoing.

[nodictators]

57. There was a 1.5 million increase in the number of registered voters in FL

The increase in registered voters was an incredible 18% over 2000. The number or RVs surged from 8.75 million to 10.3 million. Yet the increase in te FL population was about 8.5% in the same four years.

This could be BIG!

[googly]

70. Only means this election got attention of more voters.

The average election has only about 50% of population registered to vote, and only half of THAT number actually vote. So, in a year like this what with 911 and other issues, more people got off their duff and registered to vote.

[bj2110]

4. Very significant. The snowball is getting bigger every day.

While it concentrates on registration anomalies, it clearly paints a cloud of doubt over the whole process by mentioning the Ohio recount, the Fisher angle, and spolied ballots. The snowball is definitely getting bigger by the day.

[DoYouEverWonder]

9. I think the way they fixed the election

was by getting absentee ballots for inactive registered voters. I bet it's real easy to forge those and get away with it.

My local SOE told me that the Repugs really focused on those two areas.

[roseBudd]

14. The GOP sent absentee ballots to people who used to live in the swing

states asking them to vote absentee in theor former state.

[goldengreek]

16. THAT is something to keep our eye on. (n/t)

[read the law first]

50. Agreed goldengreek and rosebud n/t

[dmac]

59. No Way! Has anyone seen one of these "letters"?

I would think that would be a form of proof itself! they can't do that!

[roseBudd]

65. I read about it in an AP story. It was about a former resident of Ohio

who moved to TN 4 years ago as an example for the story.

[buddysmellgood]

39. Early on, they tried to paint Fisher as a nut.

[proudbluestater]

5. A little bit more...

I've gone ahead and registered with just about all the major papers. I don't watch tv, gotta get news somewhere!!


"A Tribune analysis of voter records suggests that more than 5,000 dead people remained on the rolls on Election Day in New Mexico. The presidential election there was decided by 6,000 votes.

And New Mexico is not alone. The Tribune's review of voter data there and in five other key states--Florida, Iowa, Ohio, Michigan and Minnesota--found widespread flaws in the integrity of voter rolls.

More than 181,000 dead people were listed on the rolls in the six swing states, despite efforts to clean up the country's voting system after the 2000 election.

Thousands more voters were registered to vote in two places, which could have allowed them to cast more than one ballot.

Further, more than 90,000 voters in Ohio cast ballots without a valid presidential choice. Either they decided not to choose a candidate, the machine failed to register their choice, or they mistakenly voted for more than one candidate."

Nice to see big paper doing actual JOURNALISM and INVESTIGATION!

[ReneB]

7. you are right

its nice that big papers do journalsim and INVESTIGATION.. they should keep it up..

[rfranklin]

12. They are not investigating, they are parroting press releases....

They may happen to be press releases we like but they are not the result of investigative journalism. That is truly a rare thing in the media and always was.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

8. Finally one is doing it! n/t

[goldengreek]

6. Democratic congressional candidate Jeff Fisher also mentioned.

There's been discussion here at DU whether he's legit or not, or whether he's just a Rove plant. But it's definitely looking like he's pushing his case right now regardless. And with the findings of Bev Harris in Volusia county (at least) the FBI has a yeoman's job ahead of it in Florida.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

10. FBI agents at the field level...

pretty much live for an investigation like this. If they find reason to investigate, they go after it intrepidly. Now, the bugaboo is what the more political animals of their species, the ones in Washington, do to, and with, the investigation.

Therein lies the rub.

[Carl Brennan]

18. That is what has me worried. But how can the higher ups stiffle this

once it gets in the MSM and is so widespread?

It is so weird. Remember when Nixon tried to sick the CIA on the FBI during the early Watergate period to squelch the story?

:crazy:

[Spiffarino]

24. They do it the way they always stifle real news

They talk about Bill Clinton's penis.

[Carl Brennan]

64. Yea, but now the Tribune is talking about election fraud.

[dmac]

61. A Rove plant?

I have not seen that. Can someone send the thread of this or tell me how to search for it myself within Underground? Thanks.

[goldengreek]

11. The vote tabulation is the weak link.

Tracking polls the month before the election never showed Bush above 50%, and there's no explanation as to how that happened on election day. There are, however, a bunch of proven lies. Youth not turning out, Kerry Hispanic support not so great, and large evangelical turnout being the biggest ones.

I'm assuming the day before the election, based on these tracking polls, that Little George is toast. Undecideds have agreed overwhelming he lost all three debates, and usually break for the incumbent. The election will be for Kerry by three million and he'll get about 300 electoral votes.

Exit polls as published at 12:30 midnight on the CNN website confirm that. Now we have more deliberate obfuscation. The most blatant being the insistence by Mitofsky, who did these polls, that we are relying on pre-sceened exit poll information put "on the web" to question the election. This insistence is in keeping with a well-known strategy of the Bushistas: answer a question that's almost but not quite the question they've been asked, then get all hot and bothered that people keep asking the same question over and over again. He's implying by his statement that we're using polling information leaked early in the afternoon when we're talking about the later CNN information. And he well knows this.

This also leads me to the obvious conclusion that this information was deliberately leaked early on just to muddy the waters. The Bushistas knew they were going to lose, knew the exit polls were going to prove the fascists lost three major elections in a row since 2000, and manufactured some plausible denial.

I believe the clearinghouse for this information used by bloggers was the National Review website online? Anyone have any information on this?

The only thing left is the mess at the local level, and the deliberate Republican strategy in years leading up to this election of refusing to clean that up in the name of "local autonomy."

[merh]

29. I believe the myths that the youth did not turn out and the Hispanic

support was for the shrub are just spins put out by repugs. There was a thread this past week discussing the hispanic vote and there have been several on the youth vote.

Whenever you want to hide the deception, be sure you put out false stories that explain the failure to meet expectations. That is what the repugs and the MSM did. imho

[Stand and Fight]

52. Nasty Little Beasts these Republicans Dogs

To clarify -- undecideds usually historically break for the challenger, not the incumbent.

Mitofsky is a Republican tool. The guys a little weasel dipstick who won't acknowledge the truth of the fact that we're talking about the later CNN exit poll data. The Bushies may have been the leak, but I don't buy it. This information has been put out there before, and my take is that the Bushies are only trying to discredit all exit poll data from election day after the fact.

[bemis12]

13. Of course the dead people

on the rolls is a naturally occurring phenomenon. We've all had a relative die. Has ANYONE ever said "We'd better notify the Board of Elections about Grandma."?

Heck, I can't even imagine what a nightmare it would be trying to get Grandma off the voting list. They'd want proof that you had the authority to do so.

*edit typo*

[goldengreek]

15. Well...

The point is we have a lot of holes in the vote tabulation routines. That's all we need for a starting point. After that, of course, we need to get into specific details. Those are now starting to show up in hordes.

[KoKo]

36. Does the article "imply" that the "Dead People" voted? Or show up as

having voted? That was my read....that 5,000 deceased were on the rolls and Bush won by 6,000 votes. The snip is unclear as to whether it's insinuating that evidence has been found that votes were cast in the names of those who had died. :shrug:

(Snip from article)
"A Tribune analysis of voter records suggests that more than 5,000 dead people remained on the rolls on Election Day in New Mexico. The presidential election there was decided by 6,000 votes.

And New Mexico is not alone. The Tribune's review of voter data there and in five other key states--Florida, Iowa, Ohio, Michigan and Minnesota--found widespread flaws in the integrity of voter rolls.

More than 181,000 dead people were listed on the rolls in the six swing states, despite efforts to clean up the country's voting system after the 2000 election.

[Generic Other]

42. I think the dead are among those who voted late in the day

LOL.

[read the law first]

47. Good point. In some states the dead vote late, and in alphabetical order

You are absolutely right on target.

[Stand and Fight]

55. Nope.

It states in the article that they are unclear as to rather the dead voted:

" Data on which voters cast ballots in the November election are not available in some key states as they await county compilations. So it's unclear whether any people registered in two places voted more than once. Likewise, it's impossible to tell whether ballots were cast in the names of the deceased voters on the rolls."

[buddysmellgood]

40. In Wisconsin, they write down your ballot number as you come in to

vote. Why can't we look at the rolls and see if dead people were issued ballots? Or is it that these other states just hand out ballots?

[Stand and Fight]

54. Proof?

What the hell proof do they need besides a death certificate? In fact, there should be a system in place that would automatically send out NATIONAL alerts to credit agencies and elections offices that someone has died based on their social security number. Not that difficult a system to implement -- what with the Internet and instant communication and the whatnot!

[Last Lemming]

17. An election as crime scene

I'm still kind of a newbie here so bear with me.

My sense about the outcome of this election is that it's not a matter of politics but of criminal behavior. This puts it out of the citizens hands. . . We can vote, we can march, we can resist, we can vote from the roof tops, but we can't arrest. In order to pursue criminal activity, some part of the State must be functioning and corruption free in order for justice to be served. I believe (on good days) that there is some evidence that our criminal justice system may step in to save this.

I'm basing this on a several recent FBI investigations and raids. They are all over the map with regard to subject, but I think they are all heading towards the same fundamental players.
The ones I've identified so far are
1. "The Middle East connection"
Investigation of Larry Franklin, Ahmed Chalabi and AIPAC
AIPAC offices were raided again by FBI agents on Thursday so this investigation is clearly very active and will not help the current administration.
2. "Halliburton"
The FBI have been interviewing the Pentagon whistle blower about the no bid contracts, etc.
3 The fixed election:
---I put no stock in Jeff Fisher statements initially and then the FBI raided CyberNet and THEN the CEO was suicided. Something's amiss here but I don't think the administration thinks they will be implicated. . .They are acting nervous but not about that. . .
--fbi and voting irregularities
4. "Amway"
Long time FBI investigation of Amway--both as a "pyramid scheme" and possible lethal political action committee

There may be others. Please, anyone, add any you know of.

The down side is that this is not just a matter of corruption. We have people in the highest reaches of government engaging in targetted assassinations. Paul Wellstones, a half dozen anthrax experts... It's not for nothing Olbermann stopped reporting on votergate when his mentor was nearly killed in yet another suspicious plane crash.

When ever I get frustrated with Kerry I remember what he did before he was a polititian--he was a prosecuter--something that got NO play during the election--probably intentionally so. Ultimately I suspect the current feeling among Kerry's inner circle is: we've got the votes, but we have something right now even better. We have evidence

This election wil

[goldengreek]

21. Welcome, LL!

This is a wonderful post, and if it's any indication of what your future contributions to DU will be you'll be a real jewel in our crown.

For example --

I put no stock in Jeff Fisher statements initially and then the FBI raided CyberNet and THEN the CEO was suicided.

I'd completely forgotten about that, and the fact that you had a healthy scepticism about Fisher and nevertheless put two and two together on something that had sashayed right past my All-Seeing Eye of Agamotto is a good thing.

The Amway connection, again, is also important. I'm sick religious of religious freaks (Baptist fundamentalists, religious capitalists, Good two-shoed Mormons, Amway fanatics) running this country into the ground and it's time to go for the jugular.

Keep slugging away!


(now if you'll excuse me I have business with the scoundrel who sold me a fraudulent Eye of Agamotto...)

[Straight Shooter]

26. Olbermann did not stop reporting, and crash was not suspicious

Keith Olbermann continues to report with all due diligence on the tainted election. The crash was not suspicious at all. The conditions were all there for an accident. Many pilots have voiced their opinions on this. One pilot I am personally aware of, who has flown into that airport, also confirmed this. (Incidentally, this same pilot is very suspicious of the Wellstone crash.)

There are such things as unfortunate coincidences, and the plane crash involving Ebersol is one tragic example. Keep your eye on the ball, stay focused.

Kerry's inner circle is saying nada about the votes. Cliff Arnebeck, Alliance for Democracy, is the one who is claiming that the evidence is available to reverse Ohio.

Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[merh]

31. You have made some very good observations Last Lemming

Welcome to DU :hi: I will look forward to reading your well thought out posts.

I especially love your inclusion of the AmWay investigation. Over the last 4 to 6 years the GOP likes to say that they have conducted a better grass roots campaign, but what they have done is adopt the AmWay methods, which include the recruitment of members and the inspirational conventions, seminars and conferences that are pep rallies that serve the "koolaide". The GOP is the greatest pyramid scheme in our country. They have attracted their members in the same way AmWay does, offering riches and power if they follow them, and encouraging them to go out and recruit others to their "cause" and to buy into (or contribute) to the "common goals". And, just like a pyramid scheme, the lower level folks never see the riches. The platinum members are the only ones that see the profits and they grow rich and powerful.

I keep in mind that Kerry is a very thorough and patient prosecutor/ investigator. I just get scared that there is nothing that can be done to stop these criminals. Post like yours help me and I thank you for posting it.

Welcome again. :hi:

[goldengreek]

33. Great pick-me-up, Merh.

I have to say Kerry really surprises me a lot. As a vet of the Contra investigations he knows how clever these people can be.

And murderous...

[KoKo]

41. Here's a little something that may tie into Madsen's investigation/Arnebec

I found this article this morning, and while I've been skeptical of Madsen's investigation, this article is very interesting in that look at what Cliff Arnebeck has been after in Ohio. Zurich and Enron... which may tie into Madsen's research and who knows...maybe even Fisher's. Whatever, it seems that there has been tampering on a grand scale and there are "offshore" interests involved in our state elections. This whole article is a great read if you go to the link.


AfD Challenges Corporate Gifts in Ohio Supreme Court Races

Cautious with words and donors, group aims to elect GOP justices

Friday, October 29, 2004
Ted Wendling
Plain Dealer Bureau

Columbus- The Zurich American Insurance Co. wants you to call Republican Ohio Supreme Court Justice Terrence O'Donnell and GOP Judge Judith Lanzinger to thank them.

The subsidiary of the Swiss behemoth Zurich Financial Services also wants you to do something else for O'Donnell and Lanzinger. It just can't say explicitly what it is because the company communicates to voters through Citizens for a Strong Ohio, a group prevented by law from advocating the election or defeat of candidates.

So, just in case your grasp of toe-on-the-line politics is as tenuous as a hanging chad, remember that Tuesday (nudge, nudge, wink, wink) is Election Day.

(SNIP)

That Ohio Supreme Court case is under appeal after Arnebeck won decisions in two lower courts that ordered CSO to disclose the donors who bankrolled a $4 million campaign in 2000 that accused Justice Alice Robie Resnick, a Democrat, of selling her votes.

Arnebeck told commissioners that CSO has been fighting disclosure to hide large donations that Enron Corp. made before the energy-trading giant became mired in bankruptcy and scandal.

This month, Arnebeck subpoenaed Ohio Consumers' Counsel Janine Migden-Ostrander, Enron's former senior director of government affairs, but she has filed a motion to quash the subpoena.

Reached at her office, Migden-Ostrander said she would not discuss Enron outside of the legal proceeding.

http://www.thealliancefordemocracy.org/html/eng/2152-AA.shtml

[rdmccur]

66. Well send this ;ink to Madsen

or (in lieu) send to jamboi

[Stand and Fight]

56. What are you talking about?

Keith Olbermann has never stopped reporting on the election day issues!! I encourage you to research your statements before you make them. Sheesh. That's how misinformation starts because people make comments on these they really ought to keep quiet about due to lack of knowledge.

[Barack_America]

20. This is not surprising...

I received precinct information for three different people who no longer lived in my apartment and when I told poll workers about this they weren't concerned at all. I also registered with the head of voter registration and told him that I was still registered in Michigan, but did not have the contact info. He told me that he "didn't care about that" and also didn't ask for any proof of residency though I offered to provide it. So basically, I could have walked in from anywhere and been registered to vote here...

[boi1946]

22. In Florida after Gore

it was postulated that some of the infamous "hanging chads" had been created when someone merely filled in part of the hole on the punch card machine by breaking off a small piece of pencil lead in the hole. Several voter' rights groups were warning people this time around to make sure their holes were cleanly punched when using those machines. Be interesting to see how many "spoiled" ballots --ballots without a vote for President--were from areas with punch-card machines.

[Kota]

23. I just read this article in the paper.

They have done some investigating on this, I think. I didn't know about the spoilage rate in Ohio.

[ClassWarrior]

25. "Republicans in Florida mounted a large-scale campaign to..."

"...tamper with ballots."

I love this line.

"Republicans in Florida mounted a large-scale campaign to tamper with ballots."

"Republicans in Florida mounted a large-scale campaign to tamper with ballots."

"Republicans in Florida mounted a large-scale campaign to tamper with ballots."

Never Give Up!

[Straight Shooter]

27. Well, Republicans are always mounting something or another

If they're not screwing somebody somehow, they just aren't happy.

:evilgrin:

[ClassWarrior]

43. Nice. LOL...

:7

NGU.

[read the law first]

51. touche' n/t

[Scout1071]

28. Curious

Why there have not been any discussions about Nathan Sprouls & Assoc. Before the election, numerous workers employed by Sprouls via temp agencies came forward to say they had witnessed Sprouls managers shredding Dem registrations and only paying for Pub registrations. I live in KC and although Missouri isn't in play as much as OH or NM, I personally know 2 people in KC who registeredd at public libraries only to show up on election day and find they were not registered after all. AND, Kerry was shown to be winning in MO until around 10pm that night (timeframe is approx from memory). The thing is...Missouri was considered a Bush lock in the last 2 months leading up to election. Yet, Kerry was showing a strong lead throughout most of the day.

Why aren't we looking into Sprouls anymore? Seems like a clear voter suppression connection. Who knows how many people registered with Sprouls workers in libraries across swing states only to be turned away? And yes...they were registering people in KC.

On a side note, MSNBC just showed a cargo plane that crashed into the ocean. The plane had huge lettering on the side that said "Re-elect George W Bush"........I got a wonderful feeling this may be a bad omen for ol' Dubya......

[Straight Shooter]

30. Sproul is being investigated by Bill Bradbury (Oregon Sec of State)

We have a lot of bushies here in my redneck of the woods, but overall I'm very proud of Oregon :)

[illuminaughty]

68. Welcome to DU!

Are you involved with our local group in K.C.? We are investigating the election and I'm working on the source of many registrations.
I did not know Sprouls was involved here. If you have any info I would appreciate it. There was systematic voter disenfranchisement in Missouri. We had a rally today at the Plaza and had great feedback from car honking.

We will also be on the Plaza again today (Sunday) at 4:00. It is the anti-war rally but many of us are working on No Stolen Elections group and so we rally together on Sundays. We'll be at the four horses fountain at 47th and J.C. Nichols Parkway.

[Patsy Stone]

34. In Florida...that is SO five minutes ago...

Um, Chicago too, come to think of it! :)

[mdb]

37. About those 90,000 voters without a pres choice.

I wonder if this has to do with multiple precincts in one building and ballots going to the wrong machine in this building and not being counted correctly.

Someone posted a great video yesterday from Democracy Now where co-host Juan Gonzalez talks exactly about this.

Here is the Democracy Now site with the video.
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/12/03/164231

And here is the direct link to the video.
http://play.rbn.com/?url=demnow/demnow/demand/2004/dec/video/dnB20041203a.rm&proto=rtsp&start=11:44.00

This deserves more attention.

[darkism]

38. Can you feel it?

When a repuke newspaper picks this up...that's a good sign.

A VERY good sign.

[shraby]

44. Before the election, the Republican party

sent out a whole bunch of letters to people in Ohio to verify their registration. I believe the number was 35,000. They then said a lot of them were returned as undeliverable (don't remember how many) and they wanted to use that list of undeliverables to challenge at the polls. Suppose they used that list of undeliverables instead to vote absentee ballots for those people. Just a thought.

edited for typo

[read the law first]

48. You may be on to something

That would be a very interesting thing to check into. Good thinking.

I wonder how we can check on this?

[Igel]

60. It would be ironic.

Didn't they try to un-register people based on having those cards returned?

[Stand and Fight]

46. Wow! Fisher?

"Also in Florida, Democratic congressional candidate Jeff Fisher, who was defeated Nov. 2, said he had seen e-mails outlining a Republican plot to steal the presidential election. The plot, he said, involved election workers who created bogus voter registrations. The workers then rigged computers to show those ghost voters had cast ballots for Bush.

The FBI confirmed that Fisher had filed a complaint and that agents were investigating."


Maybe the kook does have some credibility after all!

[RaulVB]

49. MAJOR development!

The "Tribune" would not be talking about it willingly but the pressure is mounting.

Plus, the tone of the article is very telling.

They consider it a very serious issue and give legitimacy to the concerns!

Great!

[googly]

69. I am quite familiar with dead voters, lived in Chicago for 35 years.