Will there be a recount in FLORIDA? What happens if we lose OHIO?

[Karenca]

What if we can't prove that Kerry really did win in Ohio? There was just as much fraud taking place in Florida--Are we going to have a recount there too?
Thanks.

[mopinko]

1. past the deadline

for a recount. i believe it can still be contested, if there is clear evidence of fraud.

[berniew1]

8. Good chance Kerry can overtake Bush- close to 100,000 chad & irregularitie

There is a good chance Kerry can overtake Bush in the recount if the process is fair. Close to 100,000 undervotes(hanging chad) in punch card counties- most of these likely to Kerry(there is a map of distribution). Then there are all of the known glitches and irregularities that are already known about(Dr. Phillips documentation) plus indications of widespread irregularities and fraud that have indications of likely swing.

[Karenca]

10. I SURE HOPE SO,

i am living for the day that shrub gets to make HIS concession speech.

[genius]

25. Kerry threw Florida away;. I don't think he cares. Deadline was 2 wks ago

almost. On Tuesday, it will be two weeks since he gave up the right to officially recount Florida.

[righteous1]

2. I believe there can be a recount in any state you want

As long as you have the $$ a recount is available

[LisaL]

3. Well, if that is so, how come Gore couldn't get one in 2000?

[JPJones]

4. There is a deadline. In 2000, it passed while the SC was annointing

what's his name.

[righteous1]

5. He could have one, he just couldn't have one prior to

the "safe harbour" date and if you remember a state mandated recount was done

[LisaL]

7. Hah? No, Florida recount was not done in 2000.

If it was done, Gore would have been president right now.

[righteous1]

9. Ok fine, whatever you say n/t

[BlueCaliDem]

18. A Recount Was Done in Fla in 2000, But Not A Statewide Recount...

...which ultimately did show that Al Gore won Florida's electoral votes, and should have been President today.

Gregoire is correct, in demanding that if any recount should go forward in WA, it must be done statewide, and not "cherry-picked" as the DNC at first tried to get her to do.

Being that Gregoire is the WA State Attorney General, and a damned smart cookie of a lawyer as well, she did the right thing to demand that either the entire state be recounted (hence the screaming from the RWers' side now)or she would concede; going against the DNC in this--and now we can at least understand, why Al Gore made it so easy for the Repubs to take the case to their friends in SCotUS.

He listened to the DNC.

VERY unhealthy thing to do for any democrat, imho.

[bemis12]

19. Not true

There was the mandatory statewide recount performed when the final margin was less than .5%.

There was not a statewide HAND recount, though.

[LisaL]

22. Did they do it? Because I don't remember that at all.

[bemis12]

24. Sure they did

In the first few days after the election. It trimmed Bush's margin from around 1,700 to 537. It was a statewide machine recount.

Many people have forgot that there was a statewide recount, because they were so focused on the additional recount that Gore wanted, but did not get in the end.

[LisaL]

21. I know that. Journalists got to recount the votes in some counties.

Well, that doesn't mean much, since obviously Gore is not our president.
So, seeing as how OH recount will occur too late for it to change anything, even if by some miracle 120,000 extra votes for Kerry will be found, I am afraid the election will not flip from Bush to Kerry.

[DoYouEverWonder]

6. Once the vote is certified

anyone can look at the ballots. Of course, at this point these are not official recounts, so they don't count.

[Dr.Phool]

11. Yeah right.

We've been trying to get records from Pasco County FL for almost a month, and were promised them 2 weeks ago. Still nothing.

[DoYouEverWonder]

15. Then they are in violation of FL Sunshine Laws

and you should go to court ASAP and get a court order for the records.

However, getting records and making arrangements to look at ballots are two different things.

Since 3 FL counties had no problem complying with the Miami Herald's request to look at the ballots, the other counties should have no excuse for not being able to comply as well.

[NVMojo]

12. they should have tried to fight the "obstructionist" SOS in NV

where Bush only beat Kerry by 21,000 votes.

[righteous1]

13. Cmon don't lose your perspective

21000 votes is a lot, Twice the margin of Wisconsin with half the population

[DoYouEverWonder]

17. When I learned how to do bookkeeping

I was told numereous times, that even being of by just one penny was unacceptable. The problem is that you know you are off, you don't know what transactions added up to that penny.

[jamboi]

14. If we lose Ohio then Kerry loses and we'll just have to accept it, but

we can still work on impeachment, etc.

[politicasista]

16. True, but doesn't the GOP controll everything?

[Senator]

20. There are NO deadlines.

That's all just neofascist propaganda.

Congress can even appoint an acting president, if they choose.

But if we "lose" Ohio, we can take it to the nation. If we start now.

Declaration of Intent

[EndElectoral]

23. What happens next week after Blackwell certifies? Will the recount begin

promptly that the Greens filed for?

I think as the Christmas holidays approach this will get harder and harder UNLESS something occurs NEXT week.

For the first time in a couple of weeks I am down...feeling that the roadblocks are going to dissuade more and more people and a general acquiscence to the shrub theft will be tolerated. If so, it is one of the saddest days America has ever seen.

[AndrewClarke]

26. Cobb and Badnarik can't officially file until Blackwell certifies

. . . on Monday. After that, they have 10 days to start the recount:

Ohio Revised Code § 3515.03. Application for recount or declaration of close election; witnesses; request to stop.

. . . Upon the filing of an application . . . the board shall promptly fix the time, method, and the place at which the recount will be made, which time shall be not later than ten days after the day upon which such application is filed . . .

I believe that there is no state board of elections; Blackwell fills that role (somebody please correct me if I'm wrong).