Guess I just ticked of the DCCC

[trayfoot]

Just received a call from the DCCC requesting money (again) for the 06 elections. They had all the "talking points" about DeLay and the rules changes and Frist's wanting to get rid of the filibuster. I had always been a "soft hit" and I guess they figured it would be so this time. I politely listened, and then I calmly explained that I was not satisfied with the DNC's response to the electoral fraud and irregularities - that the DNC should be active in protecting the right to vote. The caller said they understood.......BUT, the DNC really needed to get started raising money NOW for the 06 elections, that the repubs always outspend us. I said, once again, it will not make any difference how much money we raise if the vote is "fixed". And until the DNC addresses electoral fraud/suppression/incompetence/partisan hacks overseeing the rules, I will not contribute a dime. The caller then gave me my history of contribution and said that they didn't understand why with such a stellar record of support, I was not contributing now. By this time I am getting a little frustrated. I ONCE AGAIN told the caller WHY I was not giving and would NOT give in the future. I strongly suggested they tell their bosses exactly what I had said. Then I politely said, "Have a good afternoon." and hung up. I don't know of any other way to get through to the leadership that the grassroots feels this strongly about the Electoral Fraud issue.

[shraby]

1. Good going! If people that stupid are in charge,

it's time to change them.

[momzno1]

3. I did the same thing when I was sent email to support

the washington recount for gregoire. As much as I support that recount, I will not waste another dime for a party that refuses to fight for the right to fair elections. WHat is the point if the elections can be fixed? Money down the drain.

F*ck em until they rise to the occasion

[Dr.Phool]

16. Fuck them!!

When I was running for Congress earlier this year, I spent a week in Washington D.C. trying to raise money and support. They promised me the world, as the incumbent Republican would be running unopposed.

When I got back home, they never returned my phone calls. And I make sure I tell them that every time they call. Even if I would have lost, my opponent would have had to run a campaign, and spend his money, rather than slipping it to other candidates in close races.

[flyarm]

26. dr phool i love your post!!

i agree...100% they wont get a dime from me either..we had a lady ( wonderful young gal) running for state congress..she is terriffic.. and she begged for money at end of campaign because the repub incombant got money at the end ..he sent out 5 big fliers the last 2 weeks..well the dnc told her they thought she was too agressive..can you believe that here in fla ..too agressive..what kind of bull is that..this young woman is just a wonderful gal...well she didnt get a dime..and the incombant won by a small margin..very small margin..
well now this brilliant spirited lady is sitting home..so dnc..is she mild enough now??
no she is not a rubber stamp repub ass kisser dnc,..like our only elected dem in this area..who rubber stamps everything jeb sends down the pike..who was a delegate..who didnt bother to show up on the floor the first two days...no siree..she was a worker..a hustler, but a sweet young lady...well dnc...you wont get pissants from me again ..my money goes to getting young dems into office that i know..so you can't piss my money away anymore!!

[dkofos]

2. Good for you!!

I will do the same if they call me.

[TexasChick]

4. Good grief! How many times did you have to tell this person why you

were not going to contribute money! Geez! It's almost as if the caller was going down a list to try to get you to contribute instead of listening to your basis and reasons.

[rockymountaindem]

5. Great idea.

Boycot the party so they'll be at an even greater disadvantage next time. How is this supposed to help?

[trudyco]

8. Disadvantage?

Are you kidding? If the vote is rigged it doesn't matter how much money they are advantaged or disadvantaged!

I'm not going to donate for their infrastructure just to watch them lose. It's bad enough they aren't good at campaigning, I'm sure not going to donate until they clean up the fraud mess they've let happen for the last 10 years or so.

trudyco

[rockymountaindem]

10. And how will they fight rigging with no money?

Who will pay for FOIA requests, lawsuits etc?

[sportndandy]

17. If they asked for vote fraud money

If they told me they needed money or support for electoral fairness and vote fraud, I would contribute. Since they only want money to lose another election, why should I give?

[trayfoot]

19. When and Where has the national DNC

asked for any FOIA requests (in 2004)? When and where have they fought the 2004 fraud????? That is the point - they are doing NOTHING! They go on "Corporate Media" and badmouth the whole philosophy of the Democratic Party. They recommend that the party become "republican-lite". No, no money for THEIR agenda. It is time they listened to OUR agenda.

[trayfoot]

9. And How Do YOU suggest

that we get the message through to the so-called leadership? I have contributed thousands of dollars to a party I believed in. Sorry, I know longer believe in a party that is too arrogant to listen to the grassroots. I won't throw good money down the drain just to lose more elections to fraud. Like I told the caller, how do you expect to win when the system is rigged from the get-go? If the party leadership starts to listen and react to the needs of their members, then they can count on me. Until then, I'll tell any who call the same thing.

[keepthemhonest]

20. i cant believe they are already

calling and asking for money, you had a great response to them.Maybe they will tell their bosses what you said actually I hope others like yourself have the same response

[flyarm]

29. you know....

we assume that the congress people we have in d.c. know whats going on..but that is not always the case...case in point..when i was at convention ..i sat behind corrine brown..each night the last night she sat next to me in the hotle lounge and resturant, and i asked her about pnac...she looked at me with a blank stare..so i went further and asked her a question about rebuilding americas defences..and she laughed, and said she had no idea what i was talking about...i was stunned..then i asked her about jeb signing an executive order 4 days before 9/11 for the training for marshall law...she by then asked me what office i was in..and i said...no dear..i am a citizen..who believes in being informed...and that i had no choice to know as my co-workers died that day..andnshe asked me to send her the documents so she could read them..and i told her no it was too long..that i would email her the sites..well my email was never opened by her office..

what i learned was..don't assume these people we have in wash. know whats going on..
and corrine is a great congresswoman...but she had no clue to these ideologies behind the bush cartel!!

fly

[ccarter84]

41. I'm making a trip to the hill weds maybe

if you want me to hand deliver some stuff I can print off a couple pages if you want
PM me if you do
Peace
-CC

[geo]

6. You're awesome! :)

Way to get the message across. Maybe if they realize that the softest donors are now pulling back, they'll start to listen. :) -G

[Senator]

7. Yes, that my Final Answer...

...too.

Also, I write the same on their mailings and send them back.

[OKthatsIT]

11. Why stop there...WRITE TO DNC, KERRY

Ive been telling them straight off that I will never EVER vote Dem again because it wont make any difference EVER again.

Either they go after the bad guys or this country is DONE..KAputt, FINI!!!

[intelle]

13. I wrote the DNC

and told them that I would not even bother to vote next time, and that I thought they would see a decided drop in voting because so many of us distrust the election process.

[intelle]

12. Excellent response, Trayfoot

I think you are absolutely right. What's the point of contributing to a party doomed to fail because of fraud?

I have been donating to recount efforts, but I will not donate to the DNC until they start to take a stand against election fraud.

Thanks!

:hi:

[Greybnk48]

14. I did the same thing

I was called last night and asked for a $110.00 donation for '06. The caller was a woman who when asked said that she agreed that this election was fraudulent! I told her I would not give any money unless or until I knew the elections were legit. She asked me if I could spare $50 instead! I told her all of my money was going to WA, Ohio, and Alaska, and if our efforts fail there's no point in supporting campaigns, or campaigning for that matter

[Verve]

15. THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO!

I think after the inauguration, regardless of what happens, we at DU should start a petition demanding transparency and accountability in our election process. Our petition should state we WILL NOT BE DONATING OR VOTING until we know we have FAIR voting practices in place.

Maybe something of this magnitude is the only way to get through to this party.

In the meantime, thanks Trayfoot for taking a stand. I definitely will tell them the same thing if they call me.

[Greybnk48]

don't want to shoot ourselves in the foot

I have no plans on leaving the DEm party and will donate in the future IF there's transparency--but a little hard-ball right now may get their attention.

[Greybnk48]

21. don't want to shoot ourselves in the foot

I have no plans on leaving the DEm party and will donate in the future IF there's transparency--but a little hard-ball right now may get their attention.

[trayfoot]

22. My thoughts EXACTLY!

[Verve]

23. We are already shooting ourselves in the foot! Look at 2000, 2002 and now

2004. Tell me what is the point of voting in 2006 and 2008 when we already know the Repug outcome? Until we have transparent elections nothing is going to change!

[keepthemhonest]

43. excellent idea

money will get the DNC's attention

[merh]

18. Every time I get one of those emails asking for $$$$ from them

I reply to it by saying they will not get any more money from me until they call for investigations into the election fraud. I tell them they owe me that much and until they use the money I have already donated to protect my rights and our democracy, they will not get any more money from me and/or many others.

[proudbluestater]

24. It's becoming clear, it's not whether you win or lose, it's if

you keep your job. Those people will just keep on keeping on, no matter who gets elected. Their main job seems to be just fundraising. After that, well, we really don't care who wins or loses at the end of the day. It's all how you play the game.

Totally incomprehensible that you should have to even BRING THE SUBJECT UP with them, let alone reiterate your points two or three times.

Without fair elections, democracy is dead. Does that not concern these people? Are they happy with fascism? With playing along, making it appear as though we still have a democracy?

[pilgrimsoul]

38. Yes!!! Hammer, meet nail!

The DNC's main priority seems to be to keep itself funded and keep its top people in power - and beyond that, its objectives seem pretty amorphous to me. I'm also frustrated with how unresponsive and seemingly clueless they are about what action needs to be taken. The DNC's reluctance to pursue voter fraud makes me wonder if the elections aren't just a show to fool the masses into thinking they actually have a voice. A picture pops into my mind of a bunch of top DNC and RNC fatcats seated around a big poker table with stogies hanging out of their mouths, dealing seats like cards...only the DNC isn't playing aggressively enough. I want to see the DNC become more of a true opposition party. But mostly, I just want some assurance that our elections actually mean something.

[SueZhope]

25. power to you trayfoot

You did GREAT..lets hope they tell the higher ups
and lets hope more and more people say the same thing you did

without fair elections what else is there.

[Stand and Fight]

27. Awesome!

You are awesome! If we want to get to them, hit the bastards where it hurts -- their lobbying for contributions from OUR pocketbooks. Serves them right since they refuse to acknowledge legitimate concerns. To hell with them if they refuse to listen to us! Two can play at this game. More power to you trayfoot!

[proudtobeadem]

28. That was Excellent! Great Idea! I think everyone should do that

I am going to re-sign up as a supporter but this time give my phone number to tell them what I think.
Why not have them call us??

[jburton]

30. Wow!

Well first of all, good on you for not just hanging up on them but actually telling them WHY you weren't donating.

It's interesting that their talking points involve Tom Delay. Howard Dean talked about Tom Delay all over the country in 2002-2004, when the rest of the party thought it was "controversial".

Hell, the Repugs used Hillary as a fundraiser the second Bill started running in 1992.

It's the DNC's damn timidity that pisses me off.

For the first time in my life I didn't donate to the DNC in 2004. Yet I spent more than ever, via local candidates. These were candidates who I volunteered for and saw that they weren't wasting money and they were incredibly smart. Yet, these were the same candidates who weren't getting national money because they were "new" to the scene.

Well, long story short all of the "untested" and "neophyte" candidates won, and now they owe NOTHING to the national party.

[Quakerfriend]

31. Way to go Trayfoot!

You have the power people!

[IndyOp]

32. Express YOUR opinion to DCCC at [phone]

For those of us who don't receive a phone call from the DCCC - call the DCCC Monday at [phone].

Democratic Leadership Council & Progressive Policy Institute
DLC Phone: [phone]
PPI Phone: [phone]
DLC Fax: [phone]
PPI Fax: [phone]
email: http://www.ndol.org/cobrand/contact_us.cfm

Democratic National Committee
Phone: [phone]
email: http://www.democrats.org/contact/


Trayfoot - :yourock:

[Carolab]

33. Make that TWO of us

I attended a meeting last night in St. Paul with our state chair. Told him in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS exactly what you did.

Told him to take THAT to the national people. Also gave him a signed petition that says same. Will be following up on Monday.

[Iceburg]

34. Good for you trayfoot -- NOT A PENNY until they demonstrate

with action that your vote will be counted.

[goldengreek]

35. You did what had to be done. (n/t)

[Eric J in MN]

36. The DNC should open an Office of Ballot Security

(suggestion someone made at a DNC Listening Session in St. Paul, Minnesota last night)

[Carolab]

37. Eric, I was there too

the discussion around the election fraud was WEAK as in practically nonexistent. I waited until it was over and held forth with Mike Erlandson. Presented a petition demanding the DNC defend us and told him Kerry needs to demand a recount. I will follow up with Erlandson on Monday along with some MoveOn volunteers I worked with in St. Paul to GOTV. We need to push our state chairs to push the national people. Will you help??? Do you have contacts that can work with us on that? PM me with what you can do to help.

[trayfoot]

39. Here is the letter I sent to the VA Dem. Chair - no response!

Dear Kerry Donley, (11/26/04)

I am forwarded the Demo Memo by Frank Nolen. After reading this "edition", I can say I am very disgusted with the VA Democratic Party - alas, the Democratic Party, in general.

This statement jumped out at me:

""The problem, I believe, rested instead with the national campaign's failure seriously to fight for the trust of red America.""

I seriously disagree with this assessment, as well as the dismissal of electoral fraud in this election. There is way too much evidence of "irregularities" to dismiss. If the Democratic Party believes that we should just "move on", then I have a major problem with the party to whom I have been loyal for over three decades. As I have told Frank, unless and until this country confronts the fraudulent and incompetent electoral system in this country, there is no need to worry about message or the person to deliver that message.

The Democratic Party sat back and did nothing after 2000, after 2002 when the "handwriting was on the wall" - the electoral system is rampant with fraud and incompetence. Scholarly sources have diagnosed the problem and suggested ways to repair it - but all I hear my party say is..........NOTHING! WHY?

I contributed to the Kerry campaign in every way conceivable, and I do not regret that. John Kerry was an honorable man and delivered an honorable message, for anyone who was willing to listen. I do not buy this statement that Kerry did not fight for the "trust" of the red states. I find that offensive on its face. The only thing I would criticize about the dem's presidential campaign was that they underestimated the opposing zealots. The Bush/Cheney crowd would do ANYTHING to win - and did.

How ironical that OUR country is so concerned about the "fraudulent election in the Ukraine"! How, with a straight face, can the U.S. claim that the Ukrainian election was fraudulent and merits investigation when the same people dismiss 2004 in the U.S. as a democratic process? This is total "denial" in my book. If the democrats are signing on to this ridiuclous philosophy, then I have to distance myself from the Democrats. I simply cannot fight for a party who refuses to fight for their constituents.

Sincerely,

(As you can see, I have been on a "tear" lastely!)

[Carolab]

40. This is good--EVERYONE SHOULD DO THIS!! LISTEN UP:

There is a scheduled NATIONAL MEETING IN FLORIDA NEXT WEEK for the state Democratic chairs.

EVERYONE OF YOU SHOULD PETITION YOUR CHAIR TO GET THE NATIONAL DNC LEADERSHIP TO DEMAND A RECOUNT.

IF YOU ARE NOT DOING THIS YOU ARE NOT DOING ALL YOU CAN.

I DID THIS IN MINNESOTA LAST NIGHT AND WILL FOLLOW UP THIS WEEK.

GET A PETITION TOGETHER AND GET IT SIGNED BY AS MANY AS YOU CAN AND GET IT TO YOUR CHAIRS NOW! GET AS MANY PEOPLE TO WRITE TO YOUR STATE CHAIR AS YOU CAN!

P.S. I have also been in regular, constant communication with my state Attorney General about these concerns as they relate to my state's election and voting systems. You should also be writing to your state's AG because they are the office that is supposed to DEFEND the secretary of state office. They need to understand fully all of the problems here and now because they are defending these people. Per HAVA, the Secretary of State office has no legislative oversight and they have TOO MUCH POWER. The SOS is even allowed to investigate itself for fraud (witness Theresa LePore).

[BlueStateBlue]

42. I did the same thing

when they emailed soliciting for a contribution for the Washington state governor's recount. (I donated a little directly to Washington state dems, though). I told the DNC that they wouldn't see another red cent until they became fully involved in Ohio & Florida '04 recounts.

[bunny planet]

44. You inspired me, I just sent off a letter to the DNC

Dear DNC, (it was a form email so this was not my salutation)

In the past 2004 Presidential campaign I have donated as generously as possible to the DNC in their efforts to elect Senator John Kerry to office. I, like many other concerned citizens, and members of grass-roots Democratic and progressive organizations, believe that there was widespread fraud in this election and disenfranchisement of voters on a grand scale, very possibly altering the results of many of those races, particularly for the office of President of the US. Thus far, the DNC has not been supportive of any of the investigations being undertaken to look into these 'irregularities'.

It is very discouraging and disappointing to me, a lifelong Democrat, that our leadership does not seem concerned at all with the very real possibility that our votes did not count in this election (not to mention what happened in 2000, and in 2002 races in Georgia). The list of suspect activities that have undermined my confidence in the results of this election are too numerous to list here.

I find it unreasonable and frankly unbelievable that you are not aware of them, and even more infuriating that your organization is choosing to ignore or dismiss, the growing number of complaints and reports of election fraud that took place. It is very likely that Senator Kerry is the real President-elect and that votes that support this conclusion were either thwarted, spoiled, altered, or otherwise 'disappeared' in a wide variety of schemes and most evidently with voting machines that were easily hacked and had no paper trails to verify the vote.

If you do no immediately address the glaringly obvious problems with our current voting system and make every effort to make sure this doesn't happen again, I am putting you on notice, as a former and potential future contributor, the DNC will never see another penny in donations from my family unless a sea of change takes place in your handling of this situation.

I will be passing on my disatisfaction with your handling of these matters to countless other prior contributors to the DNC that I know personally. It is no longer advisable or productive for you to ignore the very real concerns of your Democratic supporters. We have been robbed of our rights as voters in this country not just once, but three separate times in major elections in this country.

If people of Ukraine saw fit to stand up and fight against corruption and fraud in their election, I can't see why the American people would do otherwise. We have effectively been given a one-party system of government in this country. It is an unmitigated disaster and a very dangerous road we are going down in our democracy, if we can even still call it that.

If you, our leadership cannot get it together to fight what's happened NOW, not in 2006, NOW, then we no longer can trust or support you until you show some backbone. I still admire Senator Kerry immensely, I think he would have been a great President, it's too bad he had such a tepid support from his own party. Get it together please, before it's too late.

Sincerely,
XXXXXXXX


Wonder if it'll penetrate their thick skulls, they say 'money talks and nobody walks'. I'll probably send a hard copy by snail mail as well, I think they read those.

[propagandafreegal]

45. You did the RIGHT thing. MONEY is the only thing these folks understand nm