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momzno1 Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 06:36 PM
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Post by "AnIndependentTexan" brings up issue of vote padding via felon
I think we need to explore this issue more. If this original poster can clarify this experience that was embedded in a larger post.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=54266


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But this is particularly weird to me because I worked on the campaign. I had a voter list from an outside organization (not Kerry camp) I had so many felons on my list that had NEW VOTER next to their name.

How do I know? Well, there was a large number of people at the same address and before I began to canvass by foot, I goggled it and came up with "Missouri Sex Offenders". No, I'm not kidding. I talked to the people at the facility and they said they can't vote. They are felons on parole. I could not get anyone to discuss this with me. No one would touch it. And there 3 pages of names. And this is just one small precinct. WoW."

Jeb Bush hired Joseph Klock to attempt to make it legal for all felons to be put on voting rolls.....Its been declared in an official press report.
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 06:50 PM
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1. Worth looking into. n/t
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geo Donating Member (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 10:07 PM
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10. I've exchanged several e-mails with AnIndependantTexan on ...
Edited on Sat Dec-04-04 10:08 PM by geo
this subject. This has to do with the Cybernet series of posts. He is a nice fella, but I think he was run around a little by some of the other folks poking into that issue. I would e-mail him, or Pm him, to see what he thinks, but last time he and I discussed it he dropped the topic.

If you go to commongrounds and read the Activism threads, and then search the DU site for cybernet, and if you really need to, look through the USA Today section at BBV (we were using it as a general forum for a while) you will see just how non-linear some of the conversation got.

I will not say that the cybernet connection is bunk, but so far I have read lots of posts that haven't been very convincing at all. Still, I see some high post count folks that regularly post some pretty cool stuff look into this... I would read some yourself and see if you feel it is worth it to dive in. :)

Hope that helps some! :) :)

Warmly,

George
p.s. Last time I spoke unfavorably about the cybernet "connection" I was kinda pounced, so please forgive if I do not get to involved. ;)

(edited for typo)
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 06:53 PM
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Yes, Knew he was slimy but not this slimy. The BFEE had
such a multi-pronged fraud approach. A little intimidation, too few machines,a little vote swapping. I wonder if they had a committe chairmen for each prong.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 06:53 PM
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2. What??????
I thought Jeb was busy getting felons OFF the voter rolls, and anyone with a felon-like name (as long as it wasn't hispanic).

Please tell me what Missouri parolees have to do with...where? Florida?
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 06:54 PM
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3. another brilliant strategy - do what they accuse us of eom
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momzno1 Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 07:19 PM
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4. If felons are absolutely not going to be able to vote
Edited on Sat Dec-04-04 07:20 PM by momzno1
then it is possible for those who are unethical to vote for them, thus having "names" to match to any bogus votes.
Just a theory...

felons are not going to check to see if they were registered in error if they know that they cannot vote too.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 10:56 PM
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12. It's the felons that connect the two states
both apparently had felons "voting" that were obviously not supposed to.

The Missouri election for Matt Blunt (Secretary of State who won Governor's post) is HIGHLY suspect. Greene county, in which Matt's father, Senator Roy Blunt served as a government official for many years, is particularly "odd". While Claire McCaskill was soundly trouncing Blunt in most counties on Election night, Blunt won nonetheless. And his margin over McCaskill in Greene county was ridiculous.
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momzno1 Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 09:49 PM
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5. kick
just for fun
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JBear Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 09:54 PM
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6. Please follow up!
Hey,

I know here in NC, we can find out who went to the polls for each election. The guy who found this should follow up with the local BOE to see if any of them turned up at the polls!

Another prong in the side of the big pink elephant....

:bounce:
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Alizaryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 09:58 PM
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7. Accenture has the contract to purge those lists and blew it
(or didn't depending on who you wanted to win). Take a look at Accenture's PAC contributions to the republican party. Its nuts.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 10:57 PM
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13. Not to mention Accenture's
ties to Enron and Arthur Andersen and the fact it got a huge "Homeland Security" no-bid contract in July. Wonder what Kerik's role is/will be in covering up Accenture's questionable activities?
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k8conant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 10:02 PM
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8. This looks like the Bay Point stuff
Exactly what Jeff Fisher has been talking about
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Alizaryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 10:05 PM
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9. There's an article in the Chicago Tribune dealing with it and
other "felon list" issues. Has your "friend" sent his information/statement in to Conyers or Jackson?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-0412040222dec04,1,1925530.story?coll=chi-news

(free registration)
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FULL_METAL_HAT Donating Member (673 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 10:33 PM
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11. It's such an elegant scam, I wouldn't be surprised if this was the core...
Simple logic:

Felons CAN'T vote --> they would get a fine! (turns out its not a crime fwiw!)
but Felons CAN register --> no problemo mr. felon it's not a crime (or a misdeamnor) you register anytime!

Register LOTS of felons
(ahem) "assist" their vote dieboldmagically

Show a vote of hands...
Look Ma, no hands!
.... but so many many votes...

When I read that Katherine Harris admitted TENS OF THOUSANDS of felons "ended up voting" in 2000, I let down the metal ear-flaps in my hat and tied the chin-strap :(

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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 10:59 PM
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14. Yes, Jeb used the felons
where do you think all of Bush's "extra votes" came from? Apparently, his mandate to rule is from felons, in more ways than one.
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ccarter84 Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-04-04 11:08 PM
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15. SAME THING w/ college students
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/102404Y.shtml

" Scores of college students in Pennsylvania and Oregon have had their voting registrations switched by teams of canvassers circulating bogus petitions and, in some cases, partially concealed voter registration forms students were requested to sign. ...."

Apparently they were doing it for the money (i.e. contracted voter registration firms) but you gotta wonder whether or not it was part of a grander strategy

-CC
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