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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 02:43 AM
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The "Texan" connection (it was there all the time?)
Was this article already posted on DU?

The line about "5.000 COMPUTER SCIENTISTS WORKING FOR VERIDIAN" is amazing!

You guys have any background about VERIDIAN INC., that is/seems to be closely connected with Bush?

Link below:

http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2003-12-19/pols_feature.html

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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 03:04 AM
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1. Which Veridian? My bets on Veridian Info Services in Austin
There are in-depth reports available through Dunn & Bradstreet on each of these, but they are expensive:


VERIDIAN
Professional engineering services 6948 Fairgrounds Pkwy, San Antonio, TX 78238-4527
210-684-2741

VERIDIAN CORPORATION
Commercial physical research 360 Building Door 36, San Antonio, TX 78241
210-922-4971

VERIDIAN SPORTS INC
Duns support record, nonclassifiable establishment 604 Honeysuckle Holw, Grapevine, TX 76092-6926
817-481-4432

VERIDIAN ENGINEERING
Engineering services 2504 Gillingham Dr, San Antonio, TX 78235-5100
210-534-1134

VERIDYN, INC.
Computer related consulting services 16020 Braesgate Dr, Austin, TX 78717-4828
512-310-2228

VERDAN, INC
Real estate agent, residential 14012 Hughes Ln, Dallas, TX 75254-8651
972-788-0566

VIRIDIAN ENGINEERING LP
Retail automotive parts 611 Blanco St, Austin, TX 78703-5307
512-330-9454

VIRIDIAN RESOURCES LLC
Environmental remediation services 5417 Chaucer Dr, Houston, TX 77005-2629
713-521-9800

VIRIDIAN ENVIRONMENTAL LLC
Environmental cleanup services 5417 Chaucer Dr, Houston, TX 77005-2629
713-526-4500

VERDIN, LETY
Duns support record, nonclassifiable establishment 1300 Matamoros St, Laredo, TX 78040-5066
956-726-2237

VERDIN RESTAURANTS INC
Also Trades As: ADRIAN VERDIN
Restaurant, eating places 6509 W Park Blvd Ste 420, Plano, TX 75093-6207
972-473-6626

VERIDIAN INFO SOLUTIONS
Business services, other 815 Brazos St, Austin, TX 78701-2562
512-472-1070

VERIDIAN ENGINEERING
Commercial physical research 431 Isom Rd #125, San Antonio, TX 78216
210-340-1041

VERIDIAN ENGINEERING
Commercial physical research 389 E Ramsey Rd Bldg C, San Antonio, TX 78216-4636
210-524-8200

VERIDIAN ENGINEERING
Commercial physical research 5108 Arbor Hollow Dr, Mc Kinney, TX 75070
972-205-6567

verdin gold repair
Jewelry repair services 216 W Main Ave, Robstown, TX 78380

VERDAN INVESTMENTS INC
Investors, investment offices, other 3405 Rambling Way, Plano, TX 75093-7601
972-378-9749


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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 03:12 AM
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2. VERIDIAN ENGINEERING?
I am not sure. The article describes VERIDIAN INC. as "a company that works on the field of information services" and works with the Defense Department.

Thanks for the list.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 03:19 AM
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4. Veridian is now owned by General Dynamics
Edited on Sun Dec-05-04 03:23 AM by Carolab
I came across that a while back when I was researching Cybernet. One of the Cybernets that came up was Cybernet Systems, which is involved with wireless networks. They are in Ann Arbor. I noted that one of the owners, Chuck Jacobus, was formerly with Veridian. Other owners of Cybernet Systems are Charles Cohen and Patrick Lewis.

I wonder whether this is the Cybernet we were supposed to be looking at instead of the Barton Watson company, CyberNET Group. Especially since Alan Gutierrez is in Ann Arbor, NOT Grand Rapids. And also because the University of Michigan (Piotr Blass) is in Ann Arbor, not Grand Rapids.

I think this is the Cybernet Systems we are supposed to investigate.
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Alizaryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 04:17 PM
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96. That was my conclusion too Carolab.
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 02:10 PM
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128. Veridian contract info site...
Includes what they were paid for, how much, and how much they have given to different politicians...and the companies major subsidiaries/divisions

http://store.publicintegrity.org/pns/db.aspx?act=cinfo&coid=837980291
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 03:23 AM
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5. How expensive?
You have that info?

Thanks.
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Ima Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 04:13 AM
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16. help
Can some bring me up to date, and tell why this is important, please.

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rdmccur Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 01:30 PM
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30. Wayne Madsen
This is connected to Wayne Madsen's info that the major vote fraud took place in Ohio, Fl., Texas, and Calif (the latter 2 states to pad Bush's popular vote)
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 04:16 PM
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37. Contact Dun & Bradstreet for the reports.
Each company has 5 different reports ranging from $9.99 up to about $121, depending on depth needed. I accessed the info through a link at a subscription research service, which others can't access. You could, however, go to Dun & Bradstreet's site and contact them directly to buy these reports that they publish. If you want to buy info and can't access it through Dun & Bradstreet, I could buy through my service if I receive payment first. Let me know if you need help.
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 02:56 AM
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62. Thanks!
I'll keep you posted.
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 03:18 AM
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3. Cross examination on "VERIDIAN ENGINEERING"
That particular company works with an institution called:

IIST (International Institute for Software Testing)

You guys should check their website. Endless possibilities there.

http://www.testinginstitute.com/

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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 03:28 AM
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6. Please pay attention to my post above
http://www.veridian.com/

Veridian is now OWNED BY GENERAL DYNAMICS, a huge defense contractor owned by the CARLYLE GROUP
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 03:33 AM
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7. Thanks Carolab!
I am looking into it.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 03:37 AM
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8. Linux-Red Hat WIRELESS system
Edited on Sun Dec-05-04 03:44 AM by Carolab
http://www.80211-news.com/publications/page207-498214.asp

CHECK THIS OUT. Their wireless NETMAX system runs on Linux/Red Hat.

"NetMAX 5 Network Server Software is a Red Hat compatible Enterprise Linux Server software distribution that supports PC/Mac/Unix file sharing, e-commerce, e-mail, web traffic, desktop applications, security, network gateways and wireless access."


THIS IS THE CYBERNET WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT. Someone got us off on the other one somehow (and I'd like to know who and why).
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 03:43 AM
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9. I think this could be it!
I see HUGE red flags all over...
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 03:47 AM
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10. Partners all over
http://www.netmax.com/partners/partners.html

30 in the U.S. and 8 internationally (including Brazil)
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 03:52 AM
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11. And INDIA too!
Edited on Sun Dec-05-04 03:53 AM by RaulVB
G.T. HOUSE (Bangalore) India.

Oh my God...

Wouldn't that make all the sense in the world???

OUTSOURCING the fraud, nothing could be more ironic.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 04:02 AM
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12. More here...
Edited on Sun Dec-05-04 04:04 AM by Carolab
http://www.catchoday.com/archives/252.html

and here:

CyberNet, based in Ann Arbor, Mich., sells packages of software that turn an inexpensive Intel-based PC into a server that can deliver Web pages to browsers across the Internet, store and print files on a company's internal network or be used as a protective "firewall" to keep out network intruders, the company said. The software comes with Red Hat's Linux, which may be freely distributed by other companies.

In the future, the CyberNet plans to add software to enable easier use of virtual private networking, or VPN, a method of sending encrypted communications over a public network.

http://news.com.com/2100-1001-235316.html

VPN
Virtual Private Network
A Virtual Private Network, or VPN, is a private network of computers that's at least partially connected by public phone lines. A good example would be a private office LAN that allows users to log in remotely over the Internet (an open, public system). VPNs use encryption and secure protocols like PPTP to ensure that data transmissions are not intercepted by unauthorized parties.

See also: PPTP, LAN, WAN



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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 04:09 AM
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15. Jacobus's company
I read that ONLY 35 employees work there!

That would be perfect in an operation like this.
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rdmccur Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 01:32 PM
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31. Clever
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 06:04 AM
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111. JIC it gets lost
California Northridge
USA Electronics
(818) 368-8812
California Sacramento

MarketWare
www.marketwareinc.com
(916) 925-3337 ext. 3690
California San Diego

Bayside Networks
www.baysidenetworks.com
(858) 654-4080
Colorado Pueblo Dimensional Data Company Inc.
www.ddc-net.com
(719) 546-1381
Connecticut East Hartford Soc Systems LLC
www.socsystems.net
(860) 290-9070
Hawaii Honolulu Mana Software LLC
(808) 923-6936
Illinois Crystal Lake Wise Enterprises
(815) 477-3694
Indiana Kokomo Beckley Office Equipment
www.beckleys.com
(765) 459-5146
Iowa Harlan
Sorensens
www.heartlandtechnologies.com
(712) 744-3619
Kansas Kansas City ICE Systems, LLC.
www.useice.com
(913) 268-3250
Michigan Berrien Springs
Effective Computer Solutions
www.effectivecomputer.com
(269) 471-9551
Michigan Kentwood

Remex
www.remex.com
(616) 942-9800
Missouri East Salem Automated Business Systems, Inc.
(573) 729-2703
Missouri St. Charles
Valcom
www.valcomstl.com
(636) 946-6681
Missouri St. Louis CDI Computing, Inc.
www.cdicomputing.com
(314) 374-3446
New Mexico Albuquerque Brown Communication, LLC
www.bcllcnet.com
(505) 896-8852
New York Buffalo The PCA Group, Inc.
www.thepcagroup.com
(716) 632-5881
New York Long Island
Future Tech
www.ftei.com
(631) 472-5500
North Carolina Winston-Salem
Sextant Technologies
www.sextanttechnologies.net
(336) 722-1699
Oklahoma Oklahoma City
MediaSoft
www.mediasoftusa.com
(405) 607-2000
Oregon Portland
Viable Links
www.viablelinks.com
(503) 670-8007
Oregon Portland
Sloop Network & Computer Consulting
www.sloop.net
(503) 251-0452
Pennsylvania Bath
IFR Development, LLC
www.ifrdevelopment.com
(610) 799-6432
Pennsylvania New Cumberland Milogic, Inc.
milogic.com
(717) 932-2848
Texas San Antonio Pyramid Technologies
(210) 860-7241
Texas Nederland
Discovery IT
www.discoveryit.com
(409) 727-7080
Virginia Richmond Archer Integration, LLC
www.archerva.com
(804) 746-8883
Virginia Richmond
Nortel Networks
www.nortelnetworks.com
(703) 712-8814
Virginia Richmond Professional System Group
www.psgcorp.com
(804) 675-2898
Washington Sammamish Solersnet Solutions
www.solersnet.com
(866) 503-6007

International Partners
Country City Partner Name
Brazil Curitiba Axios
www.axios.com.br
(55) 4 1324 1993
China Hong Kong Kaizen Technology Company Limited
(85) 2 2493 3969
Guatemala Guatemala SISTECO
www.sisteco.com.gt
(502) 334-0214
India Bangalore G.T. House
www.gtcdrom.com
(91) 80 2669 5890 94

Italy Torino ProActive Srl
(39) 011 659 4547
Malaysia Kuala Lumpur TSSB Sdn Bhd
www.tssb.com.my
(60) 3 6276 7910
Switzerland Geneva / Zurich Professional System Group
www.pss.ch
(41) 22 349 47 75
United Kingdom (Scotland) Glasgow Cyan IT Systems
www.cyanit.co.uk
(01) 41 561 5000
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BlueDog2u Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 09:30 AM
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26. I don't think it was an intentional deception
Edited on Sun Dec-05-04 09:32 AM by BlueDog2u
It happened because Cybernet Group was suddenly raided by the FBI and many people (myself included) jumped to the conclusion that this was the Corporation mentioned by Fisher.

Then again, the connection was probably first made by Activisms or Auditor, so...go figure. But it certainly seemed a plausible interpretation at the time, and became more so, it seems, after the Barton Watson killed himself.
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kk897 Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 12:39 PM
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29. Whether or not CyberNET had anything to do with the fraud
it still is a very interesting story. I don't think the research was wasted, especially if someone wanted to do a "true crime" kind of book, or movie of the week. Plus it served to illuminate (for me, if for no one else) how politically powerful the extreme right wing and Amway are. I wasn't aware until reading that thread and doing my own research how much they were affecting our society without our even knowing it.
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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 08:46 PM
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52. FBI investigating widow of CyberNET Group CEO
(Update, Grand Rapids, December 3, 2004, 7:24 p.m.) According to federal documents detailing the investigation of Grand Rapids-based The CyberNET Group, the FBI is building a case against not only the estate of the company’s now deceased CEO, Barton Watson, but also against his wife, Krista Watson.

According to a recently unsealed FBI affidavit , Krista was deeply involved in the alleged fraud and deception.

The FBI document says Mrs. Watson was deeply involved in creating "dummy" corporations, manipulating employees into breaking the law, and transferring millions of dollars in and out of bank accounts in a laundering scheme.

<snip>

http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2646808&nav=0RcdToVs
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Monkie Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 06:21 PM
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98. plz!can we leave linux out of this!its turning white to black,up into down
Edited on Tue Dec-07-04 06:22 PM by Monkie
now i can understand people really wanting to get to the bottom of all this, and it can be so confusing in this greedy interconnecting corporate world, but some checking can clear alot of misconceptions up before you post (sorry im a bit annoyed at typing this same defense of the linux operating system)

how to start,cause linux is more than software,
its a movement and a philosophy about the way we should do things.

microsoft and the corporate world live by keeping their software closed,so you cant see what its doing,or change its behaviour,its even illegal to do so.its illegal to copy or distribute it.

exactly like diebold

linux is the opposite of this!
the code is open - anyone with knowledge or the will to learn can freely see how the code works,test it, change it,improve it,
copy it for friends AT NO COST.
this is how linux works,it started with one man and is now a worldwide movement of programmers working (often in their free time) to improve the software without charging money for doing it.
alot of the internet runs on linux..most of the blogs do..

the linux/open source movement has been very vocal regarding free speech,government control over internet, and other privacy issues

http://www.eff.org/Activism/E-voting/

the linux/open source movement was one of the first to be up in arms about diebold and their secret code without verification,even going so far as to set up the open voting consortium to write their own simple and auditable election software to prove it didnt have to be that way

http://www.openvotingconsortium.org

some other linux links to get you started

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html linux philosophy
http://www.xplinux.biz/support/history.htm brief linux history
http://slashdot.org news for nerds,they cover the open source world, to many voting related stories here for me to start (use search)


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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 12:14 AM
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101. No one is "dissing" Linux here
What gave you that idea? It is clear that the Cybernet employee Blass mentioned, Alan Gutierrez, was working with Linux/Red Hat and developing projects within the platform. That doesn't say Linux is "bad". Or even that Gutierrez is, either. He probably was doing something perfectly above-board and maybe it was going to be used for some purpose he wasn't aware of, either. The vote-switching program was purportedly written in Visual Basic and someone asked how that code could run on Windows. From what I know, Linux would allow you to port across the platforms and a user would see a normal Microsoft Access application running in the foreground, but there could be a vote-switching program running in the background via Linux.
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Monkie Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 09:59 AM
Response to Reply #101
117. with all the madness around here lately.....
i know you werent dissing linux,but "conspiracy theory" seems new to alot of people here.
and alot of precious energy is being spent on "wild" allegations, people picking up a word or a company name and in their hurry to connect the dots missing the real point and adding more confusion.
Thats why i tagged my post onto yours.
Connecting linux to votefraud would be similar to connecting bush and Mitofsky to vote fraud because Mitofsky once repaired lincolns and bush now drives one,or that both breathe air so there is a connection.

another thing people seem to be missing is that one doesnt need to look for any new/secret software to hack the vote because the REAL software ALLREADY being used to count and tabulate your vote has security issues as has been widely reported.

their are currently 2 ways to "hack" the vote:
1.Company technicians with access to the actual machines
(well documented in the media they had access on election night)

2. Remote access by company technicians or "hackers"
it doesnt really matter what software was used in this scenario,
the evidence should again be on the actual machines used in the election
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vanboggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 04:08 AM
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14. OMG
The James Baker band of devils themselves. This makes perfect sense.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 04:14 AM
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17. I have to repost this
Edited on Sun Dec-05-04 04:15 AM by Carolab
It was on the other Cybernet thread:

http://netmaxsucks.com/mystory.html

This is how I got into checking out the REAL Cybernet in the first place...about two weeks ago. This guy (disgruntled former employee) posted about how the company was running bogus government contracts.
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 04:15 AM
Response to Reply #17
18. Uh...
Link not working, Carolab?
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 04:19 AM
Response to Reply #18
19. I fixed it
Part of the story:

Also, when I was working there, I never heard a single good thing about Chuck Jacobus, the CEO. Most people believe that he's a nut and they're mostly surprised that Cybernet is still in business. But as long as the U.S. government will give them contracts that they can bullshit their way through, they probably will keep barely making it. At least until they find that they actually have contracts with no one who has the time or the know how to complete them. Although Chuck could keep finding venture capitalists crazy enough to listen to him. They're living on borrowed time. But it gives me hope. If they can make it, then so can anyone.
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 04:23 AM
Response to Reply #19
21. I wonder...
If any other disgruntled employees would talk about what we want to know.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 07:59 PM
Response to Reply #6
43. Jacobus Center = Robotics + Aerospace
http://ipoint.vlsi.uiuc.edu/web291/class-resources/robotics.html

Center for Autonomous and Man-controlled Robotic and Sensing Systems
Charles Jacobus, CAMRSS director
ERIM
PO Box 8618
Ann Arbor, MI 48107
tel: 313.994.1200 X2457
Member companies include: Ball Aerospace, Coulter Electronics, ERIM,
Fairchild, Ford Aerospace, Geospectra, Grumman, Industrial Technology
Institute, KMS Fusion, Michigan State, UofM.

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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 01:57 PM
Response to Reply #6
72. If it is one thing GD knows about
it's how to tweak software. They did it on the Phalanx on the USS Stark, a frigate vessel that was hit by two Iraqi Exocet missiles in 1987. GD had designed some software to get around the Navy's testing software so the faulty data cards would pass inspection and GD could get paid for the job.

Meanwhile, 37 soldiers died because they were counting on the Phalanx to work.

Don't believe the official reports. They are bullshit.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if that sorry lot is deep off into this. The plot does thicken.
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 02:13 PM
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129. Carolab, check this link out...
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 04:07 AM
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13. Looks exciting. I'll check in the morning.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 04:23 AM
Response to Reply #13
20. Can someone get this out
to Palast and Fisher?
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rdmccur Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 01:43 PM
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35. Wayne Madsen?
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 04:47 AM
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22. Republican Ric Keller claims credit for Veridian Inc. being in Florida
Edited on Sun Dec-05-04 04:52 AM by AnIndependentTexan
September 29, 2002

http://www.puertorico-herald.org/issues/2002/vol6n40/KeyHouseRace-en.shtml

Keller said he had only a few key goals for his first term: drumming up more spending for mentoring programs and Pell Grants to help needy students pay for college, and cutting taxes.

"I've tried to stay narrowly focused on one or two issues," Keller said.

He was successful in his push to increase Pell Grants from $3,300 to $4,000 per year to help with tuition, books and other college expenses.

Keller also co-sponsored legislation to provide $150 million over three years to education agencies and private groups to launch mentoring programs.
-----------------

Keller has brought money back to Central Florida, including $5 million for UCF to start a doctoral program in computer modeling and simulation. Keller claims credit for tens of millions more in contracts to local defense companies, including Northrop Grumman, Lockheed Martin Corp., ECC International Corp. and Veridian Inc.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Important to note:

The Republican-led Florida Legislature redrew the district's boundaries, increasing its GOP majority. And Keller has raised $1.1 million, enough to blanket the district with television, radio and newspaper ads.




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Ima Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 04:58 AM
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23. Just
What are you trying to accomplish here? I would be glad to help. This has something to do with voting machine fraud? Please give me an outline.
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 05:06 AM
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24. Just my take here
Carolab and the others may tell you more about their own.

Yes, is about voting fraud. VERIDIAN INC. florished under Bush's rule in Texas. They are in the computer services, software and information field. They were sold to General Dynamics. Chuck Jacobus was part of VERIDIAN then started his own company, that curiously enough works on the field of software, computer services among other areas.

There are many possible ways to take on this. The goal is to find if these guys are behind the operations of November 2nd, at least partially.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #24
34. Wild goose chase
But, General Dynamics sold to Lockheed Martin who then received a huge government contract for F-16s for their Ft. Worth plant. They beat out Boeing for this contract. This is just information and not saying it is relevent..but throwing it into the pile of information.
Most of these transactions did occur under the Bush regime in Texas.

http://seagifts.com/gendyn.html
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/business/4540866.htm?1c

If this goose chase proves to be valid...possibly check out Board of Directors and see if they tie in elsewhere:

Robert J. Stephens
Christopher E. Kubasik
Michael F. Camardo
Robert B. Coutts
Stanton D. Sloane
G. Thomas Marsh
Dain M. Hancock
Ralph D. Heath


http://www.lockheedmartin.com/wms/findPage.do?dsp=fec&ci=12914&sc=400

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Last Lemming Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 08:36 AM
Response to Original message
25. Are CYBERnet in Ada and Cybernet
in Ann Arbor connected?
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BlueDog2u Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 09:36 AM
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27. I find this to be interesting
"among other functions, the company produces drone aircraft"

For those of you who follow the news on 9-11.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 10:48 AM
Response to Reply #27
28. That is interesting.
Why have sticky fingers in one pie if you can put them in another pie, too.

bush tends to reward those loyalists who will serve him in various roles. Plus, it makes it more confusing to follow a trail which winds around like a labyrinth.
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Razorback_Democrat Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 01:41 PM
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32. Kick!!
just e-mailed this to Wayne Madsen
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 01:41 PM
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33. Yikes. nt
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Ima Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 02:50 PM
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36. Cohen + Jacobus
http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:Wd9M3qEnDCAJ:www.aipr-workshop.org/bios/ccohen.html+Chuck+Jacobus&hl=en

Charles Cohen's main area of interest is gesture recognition. For his Ph.D. thesis, and continued in R&D work for NASA, the U.S. Army, DARPA, and the U.S. Air Force, he created a system for the generation and recognition of dynamic and static gestures.

Charles Cohen created, demonstrated, and documented a new form of communications and control infrastructure for remotely accessing research laboratories using iconic pointers as the sources of control information.

Cohen, Charles J., Glenn Beach, Doug Haanpaa, and Chuck Jacobus. "A Real-Time Pose Determination and Reality Registration System." SPIE AIPR'99 Conference. Washington, DC, 13-15 October 1999.
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 05:29 PM
Response to Reply #36
38. Veridian's clients? DOD, NASA., etc...
Googling shows this..is this the same Veridian? If so they have their fingers in a lot of pies.. the US's DOD, NASA, US allied countries defense depts....


http://www.itsa.org/itsnews.nsf/0/4762ec79ff65a3b48525675f0052d632?OpenDocument

WASHINGTON, D.C., —A new leader in the fight against cyber threats will emerge when Veridian acquires Trident Data Systems. The two companies signed a Letter of Intent for Veridian to acquire Trident. This acquisition positions Veridian as a leading provider of advanced information technology products and systems integration solutions for global information assurance, enterprise-wide security, and critical infrastructure protection needs.

The acquisition builds on Veridian's synergistic mix of advanced IT applications development and systems integration solutions, with capabilities in modeling and simulation, secure networks and communications, and engineering and analysis, to provide full service offerings to its expanding customer base. Major customers include the Department of Defense, the defense departments of allied countries, the national intelligence community, NASA, other national and international space and satellite operators, national and international aircraft manufacturers, the Department of Transportation, and several state and regional transportation agencies.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 07:37 PM
Response to Reply #38
42. Department of Transportation?
Remember in the original thread I found that connection from the ZeoSync partner--H. Hamby Hutcheson--to DOT deals?

We need to link ZeoSync to other DOT, DOD, NASA deals or to Veridian or General Dynamics. ZeoSync is Piotr Blass's company--look at the other ZeoSync execs and see what connections they might have as well.
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 08:16 PM
Response to Reply #42
47. Hutcheson/ Zeosync info
Sorry if this is repeated info..I couldn't find your original thread about him so you may already have posted his background info. But here is a link from a blog that has a thread about him and the company. The stuff below is at the bottom of the link.

BTW, other stuff from googling looks like the company folded and that it was never taken very seriously in the tech world <doing "compression" studies?---no clue what that is but techies here probably know> which had the CEO being pretty defensive in most articles. Lots of of google results about the company are in Russian...

http://forums.simcentral.net/archive/index.php/t-15816

Another revelation related to ZeoSync came when the background of business advisory board member H. Hamby Hutcheson was posted anonymously on at least one Web site and repeatedly sent by e-mail to reporters covering the company. Hutcheson was arrested four times in the 1970s and 1980s, on three counts of passing bad checks and one count of cocaine possession. Hutcheson served half of a three-year prison sentence for the bad check misdemeanors in Florida. He served 30 days on the cocaine charge.

Hutcheson said he had resigned from ZeoSync's business advisory board where he had worked as a consultant, effective Feb. 28, the same day he was interviewed. Hutcheson was reached through the ZeoSync office, although it was unclear if he was actually in the company's West Palm Beach, Florida, office or if the call was patched through to another location. Hutcheson tendered his resignation to St. George on Feb. 26, Hutcheson said. However, Feb. 26 was the same day St. George spoke with IDG News Service and he did not mention Hutcheson's resignation.

Hutcheson resigned because of "the press about the fact that I had a conviction 20 years ago," he said. Though he did not reveal his background to ZeoSync at the time he was hired, he did not think it was relevant, he said.

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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 06:09 AM
Response to Reply #47
112. ZeoSync is a total fraud--history here (insider knowledge)
Edited on Wed Dec-08-04 06:15 AM by Carolab

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/15284

BEWARE THIS COMPANY IS FULL OF CRAP

My father has had dealings with this company and they are nothing but a bunch of dishonest corporate strategists sitting at their desk trying to figure out a way to inflate their stock price. I have been to their offices is West Palm Beach, FL and there are no "super-engineers" sitting at the desks re-inventing the wheel.

This company used to sell paintball accessories which also had a website that supported online transactions. It was originally owned by a bunch of kids in West Palm Beach. Then came the .com revolution, and the company was bought out by said investors and turned into a B2B e-commerce company which never really made any profit- they just hyped the whole .com thing. Nevertheless, these "strategists" were able to profit by selling the artificially inflated stock price.

Then came the .com crash. In a crisis, said strategists vowed to turn the company from an e-commerce company into a software company with compression as its new "hype", hence zyndeos/zeosync was spun off. I had the opportunity to visit their website, then »www.ecomecom.net during this transition (go to that site now and you can see the inklings that started this whole fiasco) to see what their new strategy was all about. First, they were heralding a program which would evaluate an image file, and choose an appropriate compression scheme, jpg or gif et.al. This was their revolutionary technology at that time ~2001. It seems that didn't hype enough, so now they claim they can do better than JPEG and other well established compressions methods. Believe me, it's all crap. Their compression technology can be equated to the internal antenna commercials you see on TV--BS!

Who in their right mind, even if they didn't have inside knowledge, would believe that 10 people in a tiny office in West Palm Beach could come up with a compression scheme that outperforms Microsoft, the Joint Picture Experts Group, The Motion Pictures Experts Group, and Real Networks?

If such a compression scheme were actually possible, it would be much more likely for it to come from Microsoft or AT&T (or is it Lucent?) who have thousands of engineers between the two working on ways to maximize bandwidth efficency. Meanwhile, neither of these two giants have shown any interest in this "new" technology? Why? because it is not real!

This company can create all the press release they want but the the bottom line is that all this company is interested in is generating investor interest and raising their stock back up to a pre-.com crash price.

Check out this link, it shows the shoddy origins of this new "hype" as they reveal what it really is, hype.

»news.moneycentral.msn.com/ticker/artic..

or this one:
»news.moneycentral.msn.com/ticker/artic..

or this one:
»www.ecomecom.net/zyndecom.htm

and finally this one:

»www.zeosync.com

Follow the trail of BS all the way to the top; though they've done their best to isolate this "new" company from the failed "ecom ecom", they are one in the same.

See the similarities?---->BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This should settle all the arguments around this. If you have any more questions about this dishonest company, feel free to post here and i'll respond.
m/shownews/15284
Re: BEWARE THIS COMPANY IS FULL OF CRAP


said by TZi:
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a bunch of scoundrels in West Palm Beach!
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Regarding CNet article on ZeoSync:

One of its principals listed on the management team bio page, Hamby Hutcheson, is an ex-con who seems to be making a career out of stock fraud and technology manipulation.

My research shows that Hamby Hutcheson is a three time convicted felon, Miami-Dade County Courthouse, BTW, (and multiple misdemeanor convictions for passing bad checks and drug possesion) who never even graduated from a high school. He received a GED diploma while in prison doing 3-5 years for grand larceny when he was about 40 years old. In spite of his claims on the ZeoSync management bio page to be an expert in telecommunications, he appears to be expert at getting into nefarious relationships that result in the great loss of wealth to small investors.

In 1997, he was associated with Emmanuel Pinez and a party to the great Centennial stock scandal, where the CENL stock was run up to $50/share and resulted in the loss of 200-300 million dollars to investors, with Pinez and other
officers going to jail. Hutcheson, on the other hand, netted about 700,000 shares of Centennial which he later sold in the 1-3 dollar range. Not bad for what appears to be only about six months work with Pinez, based on Centennial quarterly filings. But it could have been much worse, maybe $40M if the FBI hadn't moved in on Pinez. You can check all that with Edgar database and the quarterly filings.

Of course, Hutcheson has claimed to be a victim of Pinez but careful analysis of the situation and filings suggests otherwise. Pinez agreed to take technology (a pig in the poke) from Hutcheson in return for $3.5M in funding to produce a revolutionary technology. This was later written off by Centennial after the crash as valueless but it allowed Pinez to make extraordinary claims to others (ATT comes to mind) about the future of Centennial.

I expect to see a similar pattern in the ZeoSync affair, with investors pouring money in and Hutcheson suing all parties as he extracts himself with the "plausible deniability" strategy.

My review of Peter St. George suggests a similar syndrome. A man with no education, who associates with felons and who claims extensive background and expertise with companies that trace back to the same Boynton Beach, FL area.

This group is not only making fraudulent claims, which might be forgivable if they were simply naive, but they already have a track record as frauds. Well at least one of them does. The others have all been involved in one failed company after another - the next Pixelon scandal in the making.



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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 07:05 AM
Response to Reply #112
113. From the Florida Secretary of State website: ZeoSync
Edited on Wed Dec-08-04 07:17 AM by Carolab
http://www.sunbiz.org/scripts/cordet.exe?a1=DETFIL&n1=P99000077914&n2=OFFFWD&n3=0001&n4=P&r1=&r2=&r3=&r4=&r5=&r6=&r7=STGEORGEPETER&r8=

Let's see what we can learn from this (it's still active, by the way):

ST. GEORGE, PETER
1818 AIRPORT ROAD # 172
CHAPEL HILL NC 27516

Peter moved in April 2004 from West Palm Beach to Chapel Hill, NC. Why?

Who is this? He is on the Boynton Beach Chamber of Commerce and is the registered agent for ZeoSync.

CASCIO, CARL A ESQ
639 E. OCEAN AVE., STE. 207
BOYNTON BEACH FL 33435




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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 07:23 AM
Response to Reply #113
114. Steve Smale--ZeoSync mathematician and emeritus professor at UC Berkeley
Edited on Wed Dec-08-04 07:33 AM by Carolab
http://www.kurzweilai.net/news/frame.html?main=news_single.html?id%3D741

ZeoSync: Data Discovery Can Shake Up Tech Sector

Reuters, January 08, 2002


ZeoSync Corp of West Palm Beach, Florida, working with a team of renowned mathematicians, said it has achieved a breakthrough that overcomes the previously known limits of compression used to store and transmit data.


ZeoSync said its scientific team had succeeded on a small scale in lossless compression of random data by 100 times. That would be at least ten times beyond current known algorithms for compacting data and could make existing compression techniques obsolete.

The company's claims, yet to be demonstrated publicly, could vastly boost the ability to store, text, music and video and make high-speed Internet access cheaper and widely available across the globe, posing a threat to huge investments in telecommunications network capacity.

The company said its technique "intentionally randomizes naturally occurring patterns to form entropy-like random sequences."

The scientific team working with ZeoSync includes Steve Smale, one of America's most renowned mathematicians and an emeritus professor at the University of California at Berkeley.

News tip: Anthony Zidek

************

Smale was born in Flint, Michigan and got his PhD from the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor.

This guy is famous in the math world. He broke the "dimension barrier". What is he doing mixed up with St. George, if indeed St. George is a conman? (And we know Hutcheson is.) And what about Piotr Blass? He's a math genius too. So what's up?

http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Mathematicians/Smale.html


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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 08:09 AM
Response to Reply #114
115. Stephen Smale and "Shannon Sampling"?
http://www.ieee-sfbac.org/january2004/w104q.htm

He was running around in late 2003 and early 2004 doing a lecture series on this:

SCV Computer
Developments in Shannon Sampling Theory

Shannon sampling is a special case of the general problem of reconstructing a function from its values at a discrete set of points. This is often the essential underlying problem for machine learning, data mining, etc.

Prof. Stephen Smale, Field Medal Winner, Mathematical Nobel Prize, of UC Berkeley and Toyota Technological Institute at Chicago, will discuss this topic at the January 29 meeting of the Santa Clara Valley Computer society. His talk will deal with age-old algorithms for solving this problem and new estimates of their accuracy and efficiency.




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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 09:16 AM
Response to Reply #115
116. I think this thread might have significance so I'm putting it in here
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 10:55 PM
Response to Reply #42
78. DOT question./contracts...Motor voter
Is the DOT connected to DMV's? I ask cuz today I found stuff from Texas and California that had people who thought that they had registered to vote thru their DMV NOT actually get registered to vote cuz their paperwork got "lost" or misdirected. They show up on Nov 2nd and find out they didn't get registered and they are shit out of luck usually.
Specifically I am thinking about Motor Voter and if any of these thugs' companies had a contract with DOT, did they have access to Motor Voter/driver license lists that would tellthem people's races, etc...
I know, tinfoil hat, but it just got me to wondering. Here are some links I've looked at and my posts from today:

Kinda troubling to hear that the department that handles HALF of our state's voter registrations is LOSING them instead of processing them! Wonder how people who were told that they were not in the system when they showed up Nov 2nd have these fools to thank??

http://www.dfw.com/mld/startelegram/news/state/10055990...


Registrations missing in motor-voter system


Some Texans who thought they registered to vote through the Department of Public Safety have suffered an unpleasant surprise when they showed up to cast their ballots.

In at least a half-dozen cases -- including some in Johnson County -- voters discovered that they couldn't cast ballots or that their vote likely wouldn't count. The problem? Voter registration forms supposedly handled by DPS somehow never made it to county election officials. Who's to blame remains a mystery. But it has already caused headaches during early balloting and could become a wider problem during general voting Tuesday.

Through the state's motor-voter law, adopted in 1992, DPS employees offer registration forms to motorists when they renew their driver's licenses. The DPS handles about half the voter registrations processed in Texas, according to officials.


Things that make you go hmmmm....


http://www.newspress.com/election2004/expectation102804...

SACRAMENTO - In April, thousands of electronic voting machines were decertified. By July, the secretary of state stumbled into deepening scandals. Now, days before voting, the Department of Motor Vehicles has found more than 300 unsent voter registrations at state headquarters - and apologized.

Among them, the DMV discovered last week that it misplaced 309 voter registration forms handled through the department's "motor voter" program. Spokesman Bill Branch said Wednesday the registrations, some dating as far back as May, were mistakenly sent to state headquarters with records to be microfilmed and sat unnoticed.

"The inadvertent misrouting should not have happened," Mr. Branch said. "DMV apologizes for any inconvenience to those 309 voters." Mr. Branch and state elections officials said the registrations are valid and were immediately sent to their counties of origin across the state. But most will probably have to cast provisional ballots Tuesday, a special procedure that holds the ballot registration can be verified after the election.


http://www.votersunite.org/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=150&topic_id=2&mesg_id=2



Mesg #2 "Motor Voter registrations are not working in Texas"
Author Crispin

Author Info

Date Wed Nov-10-04 03:40 PM
Message



I am seeking reports of voters who thought they were registered when they signed up at the DMV but who were not registered when they came to vote. If you have such reports please email me:

crispin_reedy AT yahoo dot com

Please use the following format:

Function: (Judge, Pollwatcher, Citizen,) etc,
Location: Precinct 123456, (County Name) County
Full Name, Phone Number, Email Address
Story:

I had two or three people tell me that they had registered by checking the box on their driver's license application when they moved. These people showed driver's licenses that indicated their homes were within the geographic area of the precinct. They were not on the voter rolls for the precinct, nor were they on the data CD-ROM provided by the Elections office, nor were they in the computer when I called the main office. I told them that they could vote provisionally and they did so.






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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 02:22 AM
Response to Reply #78
80. There were reports about this in Minnesota
Edited on Tue Dec-07-04 02:34 AM by Carolab
I'll try to find news links. Distinctly remember SOS Mary Kiffmeyer answering questions about Motor Voter program "kinks".


MINNESOTA: Some voters still question why they weren't registered

Associated Press


ST. PAUL - Maybe she made a mistake when she registered to vote while renewing her driver's license in 2002, but 25-year-old Alissa Doth doesn't think so.

When she went to vote in 2002, she wasn't on the roster. She had problems in 2003 and again this year.

"I made sure to verify that I was filling out the correct spot, the signature on the right-hand side of the form," said Doth. "I verified with people at the county service center and showed up to the polls and was not registered."

Minnesota has same-day voter registration, so Doth was able to sign up to vote at her polling place. But she was angry.

"I called a bunch of friends and said, 'I'm a disenfranchised voter. I finally understand what that's like to be a disenfranchised voter,'" said Doth. "And everyone's response was, 'But you got to vote, so why does it matter?' I kind of feel like yes I got to vote, but there still are plenty of people who maybe show up at the polls and maybe didn't have the proper ID and wouldn't be able to vote."

After last week's election, Doth sent a letter of complaint to Secretary of State Mary Kiffmeyer.

Kiffmeyer said she's heard from some voters who had similar problems with Minnesota's Motor Voter registration system - run by Driver and Vehicle Services - but she couldn't quantify the problem.

(more) http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/10170906.htm
Posted on Sat, Nov. 13, 2004

Minnesota local newspaper report links broken--archived and I can't find.
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 02:33 AM
Response to Reply #80
82. Also in Indiana
http://www.wishtv.com/global/story.asp?s=2518613&ClientType=Printable


Thousands of BMV Voter Registrations Lost

- Imagine registering to vote at the BMV months before the election, then going to the polls on Election Day only to find out there's no proof that you registered. That's what happened to voters across central Indiana Tuesday. This is a problem everyone we talked to seems to acknowledge, but no one is taking responsibility for. How can you fill out voter registration forms at the BMV and not be registered to vote?


It also happened to people in Marion County. “We had a lot of calls of voters saying that they registered with the BMV and they had certificates and we just had no affidavit whatsoever that they even registered,” said LaDonna Freeman, Marion County voter registration.

They were not in the poll books and not in the database. Kyle Walker, also with the Marion County voter registration board, said they took thousands of calls with the same complaint. How could this have happened? “It's really hard to say,” said Brad Hoffman, BMV Motor Voter coordinator.


By federal law, the BMV branches must deliver the forms to county voter registration officials every five days either by certified mail or hand delivery. “We simply didn't receive the applications in the mail,” said Kyle Walker. “I don't know what happened,” said Hoffman.

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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 05:54 PM
Response to Original message
39. Veridian/ "cyber attack simulation" in Texas
http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=165

On June 14th, 2001, Logicon TASC, a Northrop Grumman company, has won a $75 million contract with the Pentagon. But already two months earlier, in March 2001, Logicon TASC announced it had won another "five-year, $57 million contract" (possibly the same) "with a U.S. intelligence agency to provide systems engineering and technical assistance (SETA) support for Trailblazer".


The Logicon TASC team included a long list of sub contractors, among them Veridian, e-voting specialist Electronic Data Systems Corp, SRS Technologies and Titan Systems Corp. By now, it appears odd, that this high tech spy team around Booz, the NRO and the Pentagon, was not able to protect themselves on Sep 11th. Neither an early evacuation was arranged or the "observation" of the "hijacked planes" had been recognised in time.

Since June 14th, 2001, Veridian became one of Logicon TASC's (Northrop Grumman) sub contractors for Trailblazer, the program, which was partly developed under the NRO in the Pentagon wing, which was later officially hit by "Flight 77".
On January 30, 2003 American Management Systems, Inc. (*) (a global business and IT consulting firm), and Veridian Corp. announced that the Texas Department of Information Resources (DIR) has "successfully carried out one of the first state-wide cyber attack simulations, in preparation for the possibility that terrorists could sabotage critical government computer systems". Results of the Cyber drill, will be used to strengthen the "emergency preparedness program" for state and local government entities.

On August 11, 2003, General Dynamics Corporation announced that its acquisition of Veridian Corporation was completed.
As a result, Veridian's four divisions have joined the General Dynamics Information Systems and Technology group.
The former Veridian Engineering, Information Solutions and Systems divisions are now part of General Dynamics Advanced Information Systems.




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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 06:02 PM
Response to Reply #39
40. things are getting curiouser and curiouser ...
:kick:
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 02:54 AM
Response to Reply #39
61. Guess who was on the board at General Dyamics in 2001?
Edited on Mon Dec-06-04 03:00 AM by Carolab
Kenneth C. Dahlberg. Joined in March, 2001 as Vice President of the Information Systems and Technology Group.

http://www.veridian.com/gdir.asp

Mr. Dahlberg became the CEO of SAIC on October 07, 2003
(VOTING SYSTEMS, REMEMBER?)

http://www.saic.com/news/2003/oct/07.html

I do not know if Mr. Dahlberg is related to Mr. Kenneth H. Dahlberg of "Watergate" fame. But I'm checking into it.
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 03:02 AM
Response to Reply #39
64. BINGO!
"Cyber attack simulation..."

OUTSTANDING!!!
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Last Lemming Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 06:09 PM
Response to Original message
41. You guys. . .
. . .are awesome.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 08:01 PM
Response to Original message
44. Jacobus and Cohen both have ties to Terry Weymouth
Terry Weymouth in Ann Arbor--
Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
University of Michigan
Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109-2122

http://www.si.umich.edu/~weymouth/CV.html

This Dr. Weymouth is heavily into robotics.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 08:04 PM
Response to Reply #44
45. Jacobus Center = Aerospace and Robotics
Center for Autonomous and Man-controlled Robotic and Sensing Systems
Charles Jacobus, CAMRSS director
ERIM
PO Box 8618
Ann Arbor, MI 48107
tel: 313.994.1200 X2457
Member companies include: Ball Aerospace, Coulter Electronics, ERIM,
Fairchild, Ford Aerospace, Geospectra, Grumman, Industrial Technology
Institute, KMS Fusion, Michigan State, UofM.

http://ipoint.vlsi.uiuc.edu/web291/class-resources/robotics.html
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 08:11 PM
Response to Reply #45
46. Cohen's resume and "Open Skies"
Cohen, Charles J. "Overview of OpenSkies." Ann Arbor Software Council Simulation Meeting. Wolverine Tower, Ann Arbor, MI. 11 May 2000.

http://www.aipr-workshop.org/bios/ccohen.html

OpenSkies was a software program I came across in other references to Cybernet Systems. Check the date. Simulation meeting.

What is OpenSkies?

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rdmccur Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 08:52 PM
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53. Gaming software
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 08:55 PM
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54. Open Skies: FLIGHT SIMULATOR TRAINING for the military
The Military Table Top Simulation and Training Market
OpenSkies was originally developed as a first experience table top training environment for military aviators. This development structure supports continued sales of the product and its technology into the Government training sector. The top level trends in training that are common throughout the training and simulation customer base and industry are movement:

(more) http://www.openskies.net/training/features/market.html
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 09:06 PM
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55. Roy Black -- any connection?
Edited on Sun Dec-05-04 09:12 PM by Carolab
http://www.socialcovers.com/Roy%20Black.htm

Roy Black is an attorney who is pictured with Joe Klock at a society benefit fundraiser for Baypoint Schools.

*********
Apparently the Blacks host an annual gala for the schools, and it looks like they run in an interesting circle (including Ted Kennedy and Madonna)

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/entertainment/nightlife/7767871.htm


For shakers and stirrers, the place to be tonight is the swellegant home of Roy and Lea Black, whose annual gala to benefit Baypoint Schools has been cleverly named Let It Rain -- The Gala, a reference to last year's event that went on despite torrential downpours that made waterlogged, coutured, coiffured galagoers futilely try not to track soggy footprints throughout the Architectural Digest-caliber home. In addition to the honorary host committee (which includes Barry Gibb, Ted Kennedy, Madonna and more), the executive host committee features more accessible names such as drag diva Elaine Lancaster, and the host committee features George Slover and several others. In addition to the dinner and auction, the black-tie affair is said to feature a performance by a major musical celebrity whose name we've been asked not to reveal but, because we can't resist, the artist's name has already been mentioned in this column and it's not Ted Kennedy.

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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 10:05 PM
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56. OK, don't know what this means, but
http://www.oup.com/pdf/0195123298_01.pdf

Roy Black was William Kennedy Smith's defense attorney in the rape trial.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 01:23 AM
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59. Black's magic
Well, Mr. Black is quite the CELEBRITY indeed! In addition to a lengthy history defending juvenile offenders, he is Rush Limbaugh's attorney in Rush's drug case. AND, he is the managing partner in NBC's new "reality show", called "The Law Firm".

He is considered such a great criminal defense attorney, his style is referred to as "Black's magic".

http://bailyes.com/florida_criminal_lawyer_d.html
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 04:51 AM
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65. I forgot--he defended Marv Albert too
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Ima Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 02:41 PM
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93. open skies..Cohen..Jacobus..9-21-04
So Cohen and Jacobus are still working together. Open skies looks like it could be used to control vote tabulations.

http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:rzg8pojKvqEJ:www.cybernet.com/news/releases/OSK09-15-04.pdf+Charles+Cohen&hl=en

OpenSkies’ distributed computer server topology enables the real-time data transfer of dynamic network content. It includes a fully customizable simulation engine with network chat, terrain management, dynamics and realistic rendering. The technology has diverse uses ranging from military training exercises to a platform facilitating an unlimited number of game players interacting in a single virtual environment. Presenters include Rob Buse, Charles Cohen, Chuck Jacobus, Douglas Haanpaa, Steven Rowe, Gary Seibert and Kevin Tang. WHEN: Tuesday, September 21, 2004
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 12:21 AM
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103. Open Skies is a simulator/virtual reality protocol
This is of military/aerospace and for multiplayer internet games and simulators, as far as I can tell. I find Open Skies interesting because it might have bearing on 9/11.
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 03:01 AM
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63. Carolab;
I am reading and printing all this information.

I will be posting when I finish the first portion of my research.

Thanks.
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Ima Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 08:22 PM
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48. Jacobus
Cybernet Systems
Bringing government tech to a store near you.

By Elizabeth Millard



Although Ann Arbor-based Cybernet Systems began as a government development shop, company executives began to take a good look at what they were developing and saw a beautiful vision indeed: commercial potential for their products. The company has developed technology for defense, medical, and even the game industry. CEO Chuck Jacobus talks about artificial intelligence, Linux, and jumping out of airplanes.

How did the company get started?

In 1988, Cybernet Systems was formed by a collaboration of three researchers who combined human factors and interface design expertise with robotics and artificial intelligence to give the company a balance of mechanical, electronics, human-computer interface, and computer network systems development expertise. After that, the company focused on developing robotics and emerging Internet applications for the federal government.

http://216.239.63.104/search?q=cache:FpIYmZP1v3QJ:computeruser.com/articles/daily/10,58,1,0401,03.html+Chuck+Jacobus&hl=en


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Ima Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 08:31 PM
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49. cybernet....Nasa
http://216.239.63.104/search?q=cache:SERVkogF200J:www.hoise.com/vmw/02/articles/vmw/LV-VM-07-02-3.html+Chuck+Jacobus&hl=en


Cybernet Medical is an innovative, technology-based company focused on using state-of-the-art systems to augment the way chronic care patients are monitored and diagnosed. Through research funded by NASA, the National Institute of Health and Advanced Research Projects Agency (ARPA), Cybernet Medical has developed and patented electronic devices, complex network and server systems, database solutions, and Web-based user interfaces for the collection and management of biometric data. Cybernet Medical is a division of Cybernet Systems, a research and development firm based in Michigan
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Ima Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 08:35 PM
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50. Symposium Attendees....
Chuck Jacobus, Cybernet Systems
Brent Pope, Cybernet Systems
Joe Tesar, Cybernet Systems

http://216.239.63.104/search?q=cache:Du72AUuy8P4J:www.boeing.com/defense-space/ic/fcs/bia/attendees.html+Chuck+Jacobus&hl=en
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WhoWantsToBeOccupied Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:51 AM
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58. Another potential NASA linkage
Here's another potential NASA linkage from Associated Press:

Also in a sprawl of high-tech businesses that feed off Redstone Arsenal and NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville is the division of Wyle Laboratories Inc. that tests U.S. elections hardware, including touch screens made by market leaders Diebold Inc., Sequoia Voting Systems Inc. and Election Systems & Software Inc.

Wyle spokesman Dan Reeder refused to provide details on how the El Segundo, Calif.-based company, which has been vetting hardware for the space industry since 1949 in Huntsville, tests the voting equipment.

''Our work on election machines is off-limits,'' Reeder said. ''We just don't discuss it.'' He did allow, though, that the testing includes ''environmental simulation … shake, rattle and roll.''
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 01:25 AM
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60. Company that vets for space industry tests our voting equipment???????
and the testing for election machines is off limits? :eyes:

''Our work on election machines is off-limits,'' Reeder said. ''We just don't discuss it.'' He did allow, though, that the testing includes ''environmental simulation … shake, rattle and roll.''

This is very interesting.....
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 02:05 PM
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127. NASA chief to resign this week...
Hmmmmm.....

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=scienceNews&storyID=7065078


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - NASA Administrator Sean O'Keefe plans to resign as head of the U.S. space agency, an official familiar with the decision said on Sunday.
O'Keefe, who presided over NASA during the 2003 shuttle Columbia disaster and its aftermath, was expected to leave his post before the next shuttle takes off next May or later, the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.


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indigonation Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 12:09 AM
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100. Immersion Corporation= Cybernet, Ann Arbor?
Edited on Wed Dec-08-04 12:43 AM by indigonation
I posted this back on the old CyberNET thread. I don't know if it means anything but this may be important to keep in the pile.

Immersion is listed as a partner on the CyberNet Systems on the Ann Arbor site. They appear to do digital touch technology (...voting machines...????) but I noticed the SEC filings are the same for both companies. Each SEC filing, one from CyberNet and one from Immersion Corporation, different filings but look identical. They share the same corporate addresses in San Jose and Ann Arbor.

2002 SEC Filing for CyberNet Systems=SEC Filing for Immersion Corporation Scroll down and compare corporate names, addresses, and phone numbers.
Does CyberNet Systems - Ann Arbor, MI = Immersion Corporation, San Jose, CA?

Edit: Links resulted in error page, fixed.

Does anybody know enough about SEC filings to tell if this is a division of CyberNet systems, or did they sell out to Immerision?

The corporate names have changed. No more Cohen and Jacobsen. I don't know if this means anything, but didn't want to loose the connection if it shows up elsewhere.





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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 12:18 AM
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102. Does that mean Jacobus and Cohen used to be involved?
Did you find out whether they had anything to do with Immersion? I believe there is a California "branch" of Cybernet Systems, Inc. Scroll up to the links re: partners and check.
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indigonation Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 01:07 AM
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107. No, but Jacobus interesting name change?
Edited on Wed Dec-08-04 01:26 AM by indigonation
You have to search in the SEC filings,
but Charles Jacobus becomes Charles Jacobsen becomes Charles Jacobs?????
Look at the names at the bottom of the SEC Filings

http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?company=Cybernet&CIK=&filenum=&State=mi&SIC=&owner=include&action=getcompany

Scroll to the bottom of this link:
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1110828/000095012402000492/k67611sc13g.txt

Look at these more carefully, but there is a connection. It could be an innocent trade, but I'm not a financial person. Don't know what I'm looking at, other than naming of exchange securities.

AGain, I don't understand the connection, but just noteworthy.
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indigonation Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 01:12 AM
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108. Also, I see Lockheed Martin in this thread
Sorry, I'm just offering links:

No chance to fully research,feel free to pick up the ball if anyone sees a connection.

http://www.immersion.com/corporate/partners/

Lockheed and General Dynamics scare me, they are tied into the Iraq war and ....could they be tied into the theft of the election?

Long stretch, but not inconceivable.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 08:38 PM
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51. Jacobus -- Unmanned planes and Special Ops DOD conference
http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/howard.htm

Maxwell Airforce Base, 1995!

Jacobus, Chuck H. Bell Helicopter Textron, Fort Worth, Texas.

Read the text--you won't believe it.
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Sodium Pentothal Donating Member (43 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 12:01 AM
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57. good lord, this thing deserves a kick! n/t
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Ima Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 01:13 PM
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66. veridian/ David L angstaff......Signal
http://216.239.63.104/search?q=cache:k0f2RtxE5VIJ:www.washingtontechnology.com/news/17_11/federal/18844-1.html+david+langstaff&hl=en

Purchasing Signal will expand Veridian’s presence in the defense and command, control, communications, computers, intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance community, and “gives Veridian access to new markets in key civilian agencies, which we believe will become increasingly important as homeland security unfolds,” Langstaff said.

One of Signal’s more high-profile programs is a $100 million contract it won in May to provide a range of information technology services to Senate offices in Washington and to 450 Senate offices nationwide. Other Signal customers include the Army, Navy, Environmental Protection Agency, Social Security Administration and the Commerce Department.

With the acquisition, Veridian’s annual revenue will reach $1 billion, with approximately 6,800 employees. Among its recent contracts, Veridian in July won a five-year, $154.4 million contract for scientific, technical, administrative, research, development, test and evaluation services from the Naval Air Warfare Center Weapons Division at China Lake and Point Mugu, Calif

Veridian made its last acquisitions in 1999, when it purchased Trident Data Systems, MRJ Technology Solutions and ERIM International. “Since then we have focused on integrating those companies into what is now Veridian,” Langstaff said. “It was much more challenging integration process; we didn’t leave any of the acquired companies alone.”
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Ima Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 01:28 PM
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67. David has new job
http://216.239.63.104/search?q=cache:GBFhG3voafIJ:www.sra.com/about/index.asp%3Fid%3D548+david+langstaff&hl=en

David H. Langstaff

David Langstaff was elected to the SRA board in February 2004. In October 2004 he became Chairman of a newly formed Long Range Planning Committee, focusing on strategy for the continued growth and diversification of the company. From 1984 to 2003 Langstaff served as a senior executive of Veridian Corporation and its predecessor companies and was President, CEO, and a member of the Board of Directors when the company was acquired by General Dynamics in 2003. During his tenure as CEO, the company’s annual sales increased from $100 million to $1.2 billion, and in 2002 he led Veridian’s successful initial public offering. In prior positions with First Boston International, Blyth Eastman Dillon International, and the Inverness Group, he focused on corporate finance, venture capital, and mergers and acquisitions.

Langstaff serves on the Board of Directors of the Information Technology Association of America (ITAA), is involved in a number of community and educational activities, and in 2000 was among the few industry executives invited by President Clinton to participate in the first White House Summit on Cyber Security. He holds a bachelor of arts degree from Harvard College and a master of business administration degree from the Harvard Graduate School of Business Administration.
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Ima Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 01:41 PM
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69. He was with General Dynamics before acquisition????
http://216.239.63.104/search?q=cache:MSorGvdKJe4J:www.veridian.com/Aboutus/langstaff.asp+david+langstaff&hl=en

BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND MANAGEMENT
DAVID H. LANGSTAFF


Mr. Langstaff has served as vice chairman and General Dynamics Advanced Information Systems (GDAIS)'s chief executive officer since 1997. He was appointed president in July 1999. From 1995 until 1997, Mr. Langstaff served as chief executive officer, president and director of Calspan SRL Corporation, a predecessor to General Dynamics Advanced Information Systems (GDAIS). From 1993 until 1995, Mr. Langstaff was a director, executive vice president and chief financial officer of Calspan SRL. Before 1993, Mr. Langstaff served as a director, senior and executive vice president, chief operating officer and chief financial officer of predecessor companies of General Dynamics Advanced Information Systems (GDAIS) and Calspan SRL

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Ima Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 01:45 PM
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70. He's still CEO of Veridian
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Ima Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 03:02 PM
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73. Bingo...David on board of Directors of Evoting
Check out their council members (bottom right)

Diebold...Sequioa..es&s....more

http://www.electiontech.org/about.php

http://www.electiontech.org

http://216.239.63.104/search?q=cache:qdVishaPrHsJ:www.itaa.org/about/board.cfm+Argotyche,+Inc.&hl=en

Information Technology Association Of America
Board Of Directors

Mr. David Langstaff
President & CEO
Argotyche, Inc.


Need more info on Argotyche.






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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 08:18 AM
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124. More on Argotyche
Edited on Sun Dec-12-04 08:33 AM by Carolab
Argotyche principal Joseph Allen is Chairman of Challenger Center for Space Science Education

Also principal Jerald S. Howe is on the board of the Meridian International Center along with Spencer Abraham's wife, Jane Abraham.

Incidentally, Spencer's background includes a strong Republican party involvement in Michigan, and he is a long-time strong proponent of e-government:

http://www.emailthepresident.com/energy.html

Argo was the name of the famous ship that Jason and the Argonauts used to sail on their voyage to get the Golden Fleece. Tyche was the Greek goddess of fortune and chance.
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 03:30 PM
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135. Bio
http://www.nols.edu/about/profiles/board/joe_allen.shtml

During his NASA career, Dr. Allen also served as assistant administrator of the agency from 1975-1978 and as director of astronaut training and operations in the early 1980s.

Currently at Argotyche, Inc., Dr. Allen has served as chairman of the Board of Veridian Corporation, an advanced information technology company specializing in decision support and knowledge management, information systems and communications, modeling and simulation, systems integration, and engineering and analysis.


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emcguffie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 01:29 PM
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68. Bushies wants control of internet
I saw this, and don't know where to put it, because I am new here. It is from the voice of the white house:

www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a1232.htm

"As I have said before, the Bush people, backed by the CIA, the FBI, the NSA and many other security agencies are going to clamp down, if they can, on the internet. Companies can use it if they have certain controls placed on their machines but unless a civilian can prove he or she is “reliable” they might as well throw their computers away because there will be no more internet.

There are fully-prepared orders on this, just waiting for the Imperial signature and the media blitz is gearing up. The media will leap with joy over this because the internet is ruining their business so you will see all kinds of the Asccroft-Ridge type of bleatings about Saving Our People from the Evil Ones (for this read the Bush Administration)."

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pipes Donating Member (82 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 01:52 PM
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71. Just so everyone knows...
These companies, Veridian, General Dynamics, Lockheed...are all Huge, I mean Huge corporations that have been doing business with the Govt for years, Defense, infrastructure, Information systems, you name it.

The way that IT (information Technology) has transformed these companies into Huge companies is via the outsourcing of everthing IT under the goverment to these private companies.

The government has to outsource some sort of percentage of everything that the govt does by law...the easiest way to do this is throgh IT. So, they will all have government affiliations...

Also, keep in mind that Texas and especially Austin San Antonio area is a booming IT area much like Silicon Valley and has also been referred to as the new Silicon Valley...

This information is just that, information not intended to freep anyone or anybody, just keep in mind that thse guys were making money before the bushitler regime thats all!
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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 03:59 PM
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74. DeLay Pushes for NASA funding. Does this have anything to do w/ anything?

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=washpost/a38092_2004dec5

DeLay's Push Helps Deliver NASA Funds

Mon Dec 6, 7:57 AM ET Top Stories - washingtonpost.com

By Guy Gugliotta, Washington Post Staff Writer

Without a separate vote or even a debate, House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) has managed to deliver to a delighted NASA (news - web sites) enough money to forge ahead on a plan that would reshape U.S. space policy for decades to come.

President Bush (news - web sites)'s "Vision for Space Exploration," which would send humans to the moon and eventually to Mars, got a skeptical reception in January and was left for dead in midsummer, but it made a stunning last-minute comeback when DeLay delivered NASA's full $16.2 billion budget request as part of the omnibus $388 billion spending bill passed Nov. 20.

DeLay, whose newly redrawn district includes the Johnson Space Center, and NASA Administrator Sean O'Keefe have all but claimed a mandate; but even with the money and parts of the project already up and running, the questions that once threatened to kill the initiative still remain largely unresolved.
--snip

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Ima Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 05:21 PM
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75. They will benefit from it..I'm sure
Moreover, the pork comes to O’Keefe in the form of a blank check. The legislation gives O’Keefe almost total flexibility over NASA monies, allowing him to allocate agency funds at his discretion, a measure the House Appropriations Committee describes in a press release as “unprecedented.” This, for an agency under fire for significant accounting problems.

Ignoring for a moment such arguments as due process, there is the issue of sustainability. As much as space enthusiasts may want a return to the Moon, it seems clear that Bush, DeLay, and O’Keefe have made their own mandate, and are relying on each other to carry this effort through.

Bush has not said anything publicly about his initiative since announcing it almost a year ago. After the January announcement, Bush has failed to mention the Vision for Space Exploration in the State of the Union address or in any other subsequent setting. Despite this, NASA spent 2004 restructuring itself around the plan without any real Congressional support or approval.

http://www.thespacereview.com/article/283/1
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 02:27 AM
Response to Reply #74
81. Sean O'Keefe
Tied up with Feeney in the Yang whistleblower suit--remember?
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Ima Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 02:07 PM
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92. O'Keefe..Yang...Feeney
http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:O_YWXBR2dbYJ:www.fec.gov/press/press2004/20040812mur.html+Yang+Enterprises,+Inc.&hl=en


The complaint alleged that Sean O'Keefe, the Administrator of NASA; Space Gateway Support, LLC, a NASA contractor; and Yang Enterprises, Inc., a NASA subcontractor, unlawfully used federal property and funds for campaign activities on behalf of Tom Feeney, a candidate in Florida 's 24 th Congressional District in 2002. The Commission either dismissed or found no reason to believe in this matter.
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trudyco Donating Member (975 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 12:36 AM
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104. Is the Cohen that is chief secretary for Yang related to chuck?
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tex-wyo-dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 05:59 PM
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76. Has anyone....
checked into Hart InterCivic, Inc.?
http://www.hartic.com/

I have never heard of the company, but apparently they make e-voting machines in Austin, TX (see below).

Election machines get e-vote of confidence

By Kirk Ladendorf
Cox News Service
Thursday, November 04, 2004

AUSTIN, Texas — Proponents of electronic-voting technology claimed victory Wednesday after such systems handled an estimated 40 million votes in precincts from Florida to Hawaii with only scattered reports of malfunctions.

"Electronic voting machines took an important test and passed with flying colors," said Harris Miller, president of the Information Technology Association of America, a trade group that represents the e-voting industry.

That bodes well for Austin's Hart InterCivic Inc., which had about 25,000 of its eSlate machines in use nationwide — including in Travis, Harris and Brazos counties in Texas,; Orange County, Calif.; and Alexandria and Charlottesville, Va.

http://www.reflector.com/news/content/shared/news/politics/stories/11/04evote.html;COXnetJSessionID=B0Ws19vZlspxHcN1akt6YjhOth9765AgSOSSIg2WuTxn7cekiFP2!-806845150?urac=n&urvf=11023540920420.5815014971503284

I googled it with Veridian and found some links, but haven't had time to really look into it. I found some information that the CEO, David E. Hart has contributed to the Bush campain as well as John Cornyn, Rep. congressman.

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Alizaryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 06:16 PM
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77. Texas Growth Fund

Under "active" portfolio HART appears..under "former" portfolio VERIDIAN Corporation.
http://www.texasgrowthfund.com/portfolio/p1aold.html
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 05:31 AM
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84. Nice catch, Alizaryn.
I've spent a fair amount of time on Hart InterCivic.

They were a graphics company with a pipeline into the Texas State Capitol -- did lots of printing business with the state for years. Privately owned company.

Around 1999, they decided to get bigger and go into the national arena (or, perhaps, they were enticed?).

Now they run the votes for two of the five largest counties in the country -- which happen to be in the two largest states (electoral votes, anyone?) -- Harris County, Texas and Orange County, CA. Also Travis County (Austin) and Ft. Worth, and a growing group of other locales.

A handful of venture capital firms ponied up over $40 million to take the company larger (and put new people on their board).

One of the companies is the murky Texas Growth Fund, which runs public moneys but puts them into private investments.

Another company is a v.c. fund run by Tom Hicks. Hicks is a long-time Bush crony -- was appointed to run another public money fund called UTIMCO when Dubya was governor -- Hicks eschewed transparency with his investments of public money and tended to favor - you guessed it -- cronies of Hicks and Bush. Hicks group bought the Rangers baseball team from Bush's group, making a nice $14 million profit for Bush. Hicks, a Texas billionnaire, is also a media mogul. He is a major stockholder and (former?current?) Vice Chair of Clear Channel, the 800-lb gorilla of radio/billboard/concerts.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 05:51 AM
Response to Reply #84
85. UTIMCO
Edited on Tue Dec-07-04 06:29 AM by Carolab
Arthur Andersen, Wayne Berman, American International Group, Thayer Capital Partners, Louis Gerstner, UFBS Warburg (Goldman Sachs, Amvest, Petrochina Oil), Investcorp and last--but not least--Carlyle European Partners. (From notes I took the other day while researching but I've lost the link--might have been privateequitycentral.net but I'm not sure.)

I would like to add that UTIMCO's logo incorporates FIVE STARS (like Texas and Texas Rangers). Here is a lengthy piece about UTIMCO and Carlyle and BCCI and the Saudis:

http://www.bushnews.com/bushmoney.htm

And read about Petrochina Oil and UTIMCO:

http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/216
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 06:16 PM
Response to Reply #85
97. This clip from the campus-watch.org article above:
Texas, Michigan, Yale. Considering that many prominent companies in the markets do business with odious regimes, it is likely that a majority of major universities also invest in many of them. But no systematic study has been conducted.

Notice how Michigan keeps coming into everything along with Texas. Now tell me that that Amway bunch isn't mixed up in this.

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trudyco Donating Member (975 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 12:43 AM
Response to Reply #97
105. It seems to me that in Greg Palast's book or
The House of Bush/House of Saud that they talked about how Bush Jr got some funding for his early (failed) businesses. I thought there was an Ivy league involved but not sure if it was Yale. Possibly Harvard.

trudyco
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tex-wyo-dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 12:16 PM
Response to Reply #84
90. Overview on the Hicks, Bush, UTIMCO and Clear Channel connection
http://www.peaceredding.org/Friends%20in%20High%20Places%20The%20Story%20of%20Clear%20Channel.htm

<snip>

"The Hicks brothers and the Bush Administration have had a mutually beneficial relationship for at least a decade. Tom Hicks, vice chairman of Clear Channel, and his brother Steven Hicks, who built and sold a radio empire, together raised about $200,000 for Bush's presidential campaign in 2000, giving them 'Pioneer' fundraiser status. Their connections, however, go much deeper than that."

Amazing how the dots connect:

Bush/Hicks...UTIMCO...ClearChannel...Fox...InterCivic...more?
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tex-wyo-dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 12:40 PM
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91. Ohio/InterCivic: News release from 2003
"Each of the 88 Ohio counties will choose among Hart InterCivic; McKinney-based Diebold Elections Systems; Omaha, Neb.-based Election Systems & Software Inc.; and Oakland, Calif.-based Sequoia Voting Systems Inc."

http://boston.bizjournals.com/austin/stories/2003/09/15/daily19.html
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Ima Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 02:15 AM
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79. kick
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 04:00 AM
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83. More on Bay Point -- NEIL BUSH & SAUDI CONNECTION!!!
Edited on Tue Dec-07-04 04:51 AM by Carolab
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 05:55 AM
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86. Okay, a theory
Edited on Tue Dec-07-04 06:48 AM by Carolab
Refering the other posts in the Madsen 4th article thread that relate to Neil Bush and to Bay Point. I think this may be the way back to Cybernet Systems--and it also connects to the Saudis (which was already known). The thing that's new, that no one really thought about before, is the connection between Neil's Ignite software and the Bay Point schools. I think that the connection back to Cybernet is that they developed a Red Hat Linux interface to Visual Basic and Unix on Windows O.S. and this was implemented on the computers hosting Neil's "educational" software at the Bay Point Schools. It could be that Alan Gutierrez in Ann Arbor wrote some of this program and that's why he has "disappeared" lately. He was working in Linux/Red Hat and on some projects that he seemed very excited about, the links to which have now disappeared off the net.

I think that it is very likely that Cybernet Engineers/programmers (probably from outside the U.S.) had some rather free access inside this school to set up the new computer labs in March, 2004, which coincidentally is the same time period when Neil's "pilot" program started at Bay Point Middle School. They would have had no problems going in and out and setting up the programs and networks to do the rigging since it is a private school. And I think they set up the programs inside these school computer networks, because Neil has software in schools in all the "battleground" states or at least where the extensive padding was going on (FL, OH, CA and TX)*. The programs would be running "invisibly" in the background behind Windows and so the computers and their programs would look "normal" to the students and others in the school. Of course, Dr. Piotr Blass would have had the knowledge of what was going on.

I see Roy Black's involvement with fundraising galas for Bay Point Schools and his obvious connections to Joseph Klock as pretty telling, as well. From there, the trail leads back from Piotr Blass to ZeoSync. And I think it is conceivable that, because H. Hamby Hutcheson was conducting deals while at ZeoSync with the DOT, this COULD also take Fisher's story back to Madsen's story. And, perhaps the vote switching program Clint Curtis discusses for Yang Engineering could have been a prototype indeed. The program may have simply run on one of Ann Arbor Cybernet Systems employee Alan Gutierrez's project Linux/Red Hat networking project programs, and he may have been unsuspecting as to its intended ultimate use. I find it telling as well that apparently the Saudis didn't have any interest in Neil Bush's software itself. That tells me that it is likely they were funding it for nefarious purposes such as "election rigging" and payoffs for such through Neil. Then it may have been laundered the way Madsen says, through Five Star and the Laurentian bank. Perhaps Riggs Bank was also involved in this laundering. And who knows? Maybe even Barton Watson (though that's perhaps a reach). Also, we have the connections between NASA and Cybernet and O'Keefe and Feeney and the whistleblower's wife.

What do you think?


P.S. I would like to add that I see "9-11" connections back to Cybernet as well. Also, I was rather taken aback today to learn that Amy Goodman's Democracy Now program this morning was apparently about using retinal scanning/ID on the Iraqis in Fallujah. This is something that ZeoSync was involved in.

A question re: Ignite and access issues. How many polling places were in schools where Ignite might have been installed?

I found out that in mid-February 2004, the Houston schools were awarded a "charitable gift" of $115,000 to be funneled to Ignite software.

http://www.democracynow.org/print.pl?sid=04/03/12/1534244
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 06:57 AM
Response to Reply #86
88. Plus Ohio and Florida
Edited on Tue Dec-07-04 07:09 AM by Carolab
In Franklin County, Ohio, Neil made a special presentation of Ignite to the schools there in February 2003. http://www.soita.org/standards/descriptions.html

And, of course, Neil got a HUGE contract all across Florida's schools thanks to Jeb. But, charitably, he installed the "pilot" programs FREE!

Oh, and guess where else? Georgia (in 2002--can you say "stolen elections"?).

http://www.bizjournals.com/austin/stories/2002/10/28/st...

So, let's see, that's Ohio, Georgia, California, Florida and Texas. Hmmm. Very odd, indeed.

Oh, yes, and the article above? He's also in Mexico.

One more thing: I forgot to tie in Cybernet systems with the e-voting machines, as was pointed out above.

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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 11:54 AM
Response to Reply #88
89. Stanford U. had reservations about Ignite
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thjay Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 01:18 AM
Response to Reply #86
109. What about NetBotz, Inc. ?
Netbotz shares an address with Ignite Learning.

512 11044 Research Blvd

Netbotz connection to CyberNET Engineering

Dec. 2002
NetBotz(R) Inc., the leading global provider of IP-based intelligent physical security solutions, today announced Grand Rapids, Michigan-based CyberNET Engineering, a division of CyberCo Holdings, has now become a NetBotz Distribution Partner serving the United States and Australia markets with NetBotz products.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2002_Dec_12/ai_95251307
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 03:52 AM
Response to Reply #109
110. WOW that's something
Brings Watson's CyberNET back into the circle.

Amazing. Thank you.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #110
119. NetBotz has a DOD Private Enterprise Assignment number
Edited on Thu Dec-09-04 06:07 PM by Carolab
http://www.liquidmatrix.org/redir/smi.html

NetBotz is located in Austin, TX

Tom Goldman is CEO. It is privately held. A major investor is Austin Ventures.
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 06:20 PM
Response to Reply #119
122. Netbotz: TSA/NIH/NASA/FAA contracts
Edited on Thu Dec-09-04 06:31 PM by rainbow4321
http://www.washingtontechnology.com/news/19_13/emerging-tech/24619-1.html

NetBotz has sold thousands of monitoring appliances to the Transportation Security Administration, Goldman said. Other customers include the Treasury and Transportation departments, National Institutes of Health, NASA and Federal Aviation Administration.

NetBotz recently contracted with RAE Systems Inc. of Sunnyvale, Calif., to support RAE’s sensors, which include biological and chemical agent detectors, among others.

The command also decided to expand its use of NetBotz beyond the computer room. When the Defense Department has to move people or materiel overseas, the command often collects cargo at commercial ports for loading onto ships.

That cargo can sit on a dock for several days, largely unmonitored. DuBose said the command has bought three additional NetBotz units for keeping an eye on soldiers’ equipment, which can include food, clothes and weapons

http://www.businesswire.com/cgi-bin/cb_headline.cgi?&story_file=bw.022603/230575016&directory=/google&header_file=header.htm&footer_file=


Based in Austin, Texas, NetBotz is a privately held company with funding from QuestMark Partners, SSM Venture Partners, CenterPoint Ventures, Osprey Ventures, and Hill Partners.



edited to add above link...
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 06:29 PM
Response to Reply #122
123. EMSI partners with NetBotz for Public Sector worldwide through GSA
Edited on Thu Dec-09-04 06:32 PM by Carolab
http://www.emsiusa.com/Docs/Press_051302_Netbotz.htm

Putting NetBotz all over the world in the public sector as well, including multiple middle east locations.

Including Dubai, through "ComGuard":

http://www.dic.ae/html/gitex_18.htm
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 06:09 PM
Response to Reply #110
121. Here is something that ties the two Cybernets too
"Zero footprint PC"--manufactured by Cybernet Manufacturing; sold by CyberNET Engineering

Look it up under both names and you will see.
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 06:09 PM
Response to Reply #109
120. NetBotz attempts to net federal defense dollars

http://seattle.bizjournals.com/austin/stories/2002/05/20/story8.html


An Austin high tech hardware company is seeking a piece of a $350 billion budget at the U.S. Defense Department

NetBotz Inc. has hired a company with a local presence, Export Management Services Inc., to help guide it through the maze of government bureaucracy and to market NetBotz's environmental and security monitoring products to the Defense Department.

Tom Goldman, president and CEO of NetBotz, says the federal government has approached him about buying NetBotz's environmental monitoring devices. The public market is ideal for NetBotz, he says, because most government agencies can't afford to maintain large information technology staffs and because the NetBotz's devices are relatively cheap compared with other security products.

The devices, or "netbotz," actually are little devices placed inside server closets or other places with complicated high tech machinery. The devices monitor the physical conditions of a room, such as temperature and humidity. Most of the devices cost less than $2,000 each, Goldman says.

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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 06:36 AM
Response to Reply #83
87. Neil-Ignite-and New Bridge Strategies PLUS lots more Bush relatives
http://www.washingtonspectator.com/articles/20040201greenbushes_1.cfm

So I guess Neil gets some nice educational software contracts in rebuilding Iraq too. Wait--there's more (always is, right?) and of course it leads back to (you guessed it) Carlyle.
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 03:48 PM
Response to Reply #87
94. Are all shrub's relatives on the rebuild Iraq payroll??
Edited on Tue Dec-07-04 04:01 PM by rainbow4321
Wonder what kind of contract his twins will get for over there?

And HOW are these educational contracts going to work when we have blown up all their schools?


And his dealings in Florida helping his brother with an educational policy:

http://democracyunbound.com/bushn.html

ASSOCIATED PRESS - A software company run by Neil Bush, a younger brother of Gov. Jeb Bush, hopes to sell a program to Florida schools that students would use to prepare for the test that is key to the governor's education policy. Austin, Texas-based Ignite Inc. makes software being used in a pilot program at an Orlando-area middle school to help students prepare for the Florida Comprehensive Assessment Test, which the governor has championed as a yardstick for school performance. . . Ignite spokeswoman Louise Thacker denied the company had an unfair advantage because its founder and CEO, Neil Bush, is a brother of Florida's governor. 10/02

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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #87
95. Chinese and Syrian "investors", also
Makes ya wish there would be more divorces filed in the shrub family..all this shit came out in divorce filing papers between Neil Bush and his ex. Now wonder they wanted her to slip away into the wood work.



http://www.rense.com/general45/more.htm

Mr Bush said he was co-chairman of Crest Investment Corporation, a company based in Houston, Texas, that invests in energy and other ventures. For this he received $15,000 every three months for working an average three or four hours a week
<snip>

On its website, New Bridge describes itself as being created to "take advantage of business opportunities in the Middle East following the conclusion of the US-led war in Iraq
<snip>

Other investors in Ignite, which was founded last year, include George H. W. and Barbara Bush, and Winston Wong, a Taiwan businessman who started the Grace Semiconductor Manufacturing Corp. The court papers further show Mr Bush benefits from a contract with Grace, a company also backed by Jiang Miangheng, son of Jiang Zemin, the former president of China.


<snip>

The other co-chairman and principal of Crest is Jamal Daniel, a Syrian-American who is an advisory board member of New Bridge Strategies, a company set up this year by a group of businessmen with close links to the Bush family or administrations. Its chairman is Joe Allbaugh, George W. Bush's campaign director in the 2000 presidential elections
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Ima Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 12:05 AM
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99. bttt
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 12:46 AM
Response to Reply #83
106. Keep up the good work. You all are circling back to what we were finding
in our Cybernet research a couple weeks ago, before it was disrupted into oblivion. I hope you can get further with it than we were able to.
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Razorback_Democrat Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 10:37 AM
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118. Kick
:kick:
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atwitsend Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 01:51 PM
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125. Here is the Truth and the Key Thought from Karl Schwarz
Forwarded not written by asasser

-----Original Message-----
From: Karl W. B. Schwarz <mailto:kw.schwarz@worldnet.att.net >
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 10:51 AM
To: Deborah Simon
Subject: See links


Hi Deb,

Since you have read One-Way Ticket to Crawford, Texas, you already know about "nesting doll arrangements" and how UTIMCO, Bush, Hicks, Muse, Rainwater, Bass Boys, Blackstone, Carlyle Group and others set up the Gang-Bang of America Corp down in Austin known as The Texas Growth Fund (as they pick your pocket and send that money down there to those robber barons).

Interesting tidbit came in this morning shedding some light on the cabal,

http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2003-12-...

and the folks over at DU "got it" very quickly. See this link, now that you know what a nesting doll arrangement looks like and what it is used for:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

However, they are still missing a "key thought".

You do recall how many times it was necessary to quote Marcus Aurelius in my book: "of each thing ask but this: What is it? What is its nature?"


What is a network? Where do networks go that they alone could be used to "change data"??

Why did Wall Street want to build a global financial / proprietary trading network named Global Crossing out of our pockets, then take it away, make it the Roman Roads for these Financial Terrorists?

Just this morning got an email (cannot say from whom) regarding this:

Subject: Re: Did we file with the right person?

Will let ******* respond for ***self but it's my understanding that the "damages" caused to the citizens, institutions and state of New York are the core of the case. The mass murder is sensational, but the burden of the case is on damages, in hopes of getting more victimized constituencies involved (businesses, unions, school departments, tourist associations, insurance companies, etc.) That made Spitzer the key as well as the fact that he's been the only guy in town willing to go down dark alleys even when the Feds said "halt"

That sounds a lot like Motley & Rice and their $1 trillion lawsuit that is going nowhere. I bet they even have codicils and "counts" all about those "dastardly Saudis".

That is just about the lamest way in the world to address 9-11, so I rest my case that some do not have a clue what they are doing, what they are up against, what is right under their nose if they were not amateurs, or what will have to happen to see justice done FOR THIS NATION and OTHER NATIONS.

And a call came in, 5 AM PST that Spitzer is probably compromised. Based on what was conveyed relating to a non-9-11 investigation, we need to implement Plan B and Plan C at the same time very soon.

Let's hope most Americans make the right New Year's Resolution for 2005. There is nothing riding on it but their futures.

Patmos Nanotechnologies, LLC

Karl W. B. Schwarz
President, Chief Executive Officer

(501) 663-4959, US Central Time Zone, GMT -6 hrs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
for the rest of the nitty gritty and the Truth

http://www.wgdr.org
interview was the 10th of DEC @16:50

Pop goes the Bush mythology bubble / the Series

Part 2: 9/11 Commission and Bridas


By Karl W. B. Schwarz
Online Journal Contributing Writer

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/121004Schw...
_____________________________

Part one down here and the tie between Kar and Sibel Edmonds FBI whistle Blower Plus the real story about the vote.. they sure are trying to discredit Wayne Madsen use this lovely feature www.google/unclesam to check who these people are that are getting you the Truth

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/120404Schw...
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/112004Schw...
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/120604Mads...




Merry Christmas America
May you all spread this around like Christmas Candy
for those in need of the Truth. we are in a rush....hubba hubba

Peace and For The Truth


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atwitsend Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 02:05 PM
Response to Reply #125
126. 'Langley' Hacks 911 Poll! - Results old news but revelant
'Langley' Hacks 911 Poll! - Results
Turned Upside Down - Hack Discovered
7-9-2

Note - Kudos to Henry Ayre for his sharp eye and follow-through on this. Just another example of how YOUR information is managed. Next time you read a poll, keep in mind how easily the results can be skewed. -ed

From Henry Ayre
7-9-2

Dear Jeff,

First, I received an email from a group about the ECC Poll and I thought it important - 5682 Total poll votes! So, I forwarded it on its way to my list.

Combining logically: Arabs, 26.5%; Zionist/ NWO/Judeo-Christian Putschists, 71%...............

The Big Poll Result: Majority Of Americans Believe 911 Was Homegrown/NWO Operation!!!

Americans have been eating those smart pills!

Here's is the poll as I first saw it:

Ecclesiastic Commonwealth Community
http://www.rense.com/general26/poll1.htm
www.ecclesia.org
7-7-2

Poll Question:

More than six months has passed since the 9-11 disaster. Whom do you honestly believe actually caused and was the major force behind the destruction of the World Trade Center?

Results: 5682 votes counted as of 7-7-02

Osama bin Laden (4.4 %) 250 votes

American militias (0.3 %) 18 votes

The White House (21.9 %) 1243 votes

The Pentagon (1.1 %) 65 votes

The Taliban - al-Qaida (18.2 %) 1035 votes

Sadaam Hussein (Iraq) (3.9 %) 224 votes

The New World Order (48.0 %) 2728 votes

Other (2.1 %) 119 votes


http://www.ecclesia.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=97&pollresults=1

OK. Then, a bit later, I went back to the poll to see how it was doing. It had changed strangely, radically! So, I sent out the alert below.........

Heads up! It looks like the New World Order didn't like the results of this poll a few hours ago and decided to stuff the ballot box. Whereas all other categories are up less than 50%, the "Taliban/al-Qaida" category is up 251% by a neat 2600 votes!! As usual, Fedgovt propagandists lack finesse!

Here it is:

http://www.ecclesia.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=97&pollresults=1


More than six months has passed since the 9-11 disaster. Who do you honestly believe actually caused and was the major force behind the destruction of the World Trade Center?


Results: (9015 votes counted so far)

Osama bin Laden (4.0 %) 363 votes was 250 - up 45%

American militias (0.3 %) 23 votes was 18 - up 27%

The White House (15.3 %) 1379 votes was 1243 - up 11%

The Pentagon (1.0 %) 87 votes was 65 - up 34%

The Taliban / al-Qaida (40.3 %) 3635 votes was 1035 - up 251.2%!!

Sadaam Hussein (Iraq) (2.8%) 251 votes was 224 - up 16.5%

The New World Order (34.6 %) 3121 votes was 2728 - up 14.4%

Other (1.7 %) 156 votes was 119 - up 31%


I alerted the Administration of the ECC website. A few hours later I received a reply from ECC which I reformatted and sent on its way to my list as follows: "We also traced the hacker to an AOL server near Langley, Virginia. Just guess which alphabet group was responsible for the intrusion!" The developing tale of the hacker... Langley, Langley... now where have I heard that name before?

Here is the exact message from ECC:

----- Original Message -----

From: ECC Admin
To: Henry Ayre <henri@alaska.net>
Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 3:45 PM
Subject: ECC Poll hacker

Thanks for alerting us.

We changed the poll tallies back to the last good known count from about 2 hours ago at 5PM EDT (this is our own private server and we make a database back-up automatically every 3 hours). We also traced the hacker to an AOL server near Langley, Virginia. Just guess which alphabet group was responsible for the intrusion!

He got in by using a Java script we haven't seen before, but he won't be using that one the next time since we now blocked that script from ever executing on the server again.

Thanks again for letting us know the ballot box was "stuffed"!

Michael Edward
ECC Bondservant

My observation is as follows: if the big boys in the CIA have illegally to hack a small religious site to adulterate the figures so they conform to Washington, D.C.'s brand of the truth, then was the entire 9-11 episode a fabrication to start with?

Henry Ayre
henri@alaska.net
http://www.rense.com/general26/hacked.htm

also

The government hires hackers for national defense




September 15, 2004

Jason Larsen types in some lines of computer code in an effort to hack into the control center of a nearby chemical plant. He then discovers an online video camera inside the building and confirms that he has pumped up a pressure value. "That's the challenge. It's you finding the security holes," he said when asked about his motivation.

"It's you against the defenders. It comes from a deep-seeded need to find out how things work."

Larsen, 31, who wears his hair long and has braces on his teeth, is a computer hacker with a twist. His goal is not to wreak havoc, but to boost security for America's pipelines, railroads, utilities and other infrastructure, part of a project backed by the Idaho National Engineering and Environmental Laboratory, or INEEL.

Sponsored by the U.S. Department of Energy, the Idaho lab last month launched a new cybersecurity center where expert hackers such as Larsen test computing vulnerabilities. Spread across 890 square miles in a remote area of eastern Idaho, the lab gives experts access to an entire isolated infrastructure such as the one Larsen hacked into.

"I don't think people have an understanding of what could be the impact of cyberattacks," Paul Kearns, director of INEEL, told Reuters. "They don't understand the threat."

In recent months, U.S. security officials have warned that the nation is not prepared against cyberterrorism.

"I am confident that there is no system connected to the Internet, either by modem or fixed connection, that can't be hacked into," said Laurin Dodd, who oversees INEEL's national security programs.

He added that only a computing system totally isolated from the outside, such as that used by the CIA, would be immune to hacking.

Another problem is that many once-isolated systems running railroads, pipelines and utilities are now also accessible via the Internet and thus susceptible to sabotage.

"More and more of these things are being connected to the Internet, so they can be monitored at corporate headquarters," said Dodd, INEEL's associate lab director. "It is generally accepted that the August blackout last year could have been caused by that kind of activity."

"Most people think risk in this area is not going to result in thousands of deaths," he continued. "If somebody could wreak havoc in the financial system by getting into computers and as a result people lost confidence in the financial system, that could be pretty consequential."

Added lab director Kearns: "That's what al-Qaida is all about." Steve Schaeffer, of INEEL's cybersecurity lab, was recently asked to decode a system designed by General Electric.

"My test was to subvert that guy's system in some manner," he said. "It only took about two months before we had enough information to affect the protocol (and) affect operations. If they can dial into the system, guess what, so can I."

Lab officials emphasize that such hacking occurs within INEEL's own facilities rather than at real-life entities outside. The Swiss engineering group ABB recently signed an agreement to become INEEL's first cybersecurity customer to test their actual vulnerabilities.

INEEL officials tell of a recent visit by an Idaho utility executive who declared his system had no problems. By the end of their demonstration, the shaken executive was asking for a comprehensive review of his company.

In another incident, INEEL's Larsen entered a U.S. agency in Washington, D.C., and hacked into its computer system with a simple handheld computing device, much to the surprise of officials there, a lab official said. Larsen declined to discuss the episode.

When it comes to Larsen's background, there is a fair amount that he and his superiors prefer not to discuss. To gain the skills he has, one must have experience in the nebulous world of hacking.

"This is one of the few places where it is legal to give people those kind of challenges," said Robert Hoffman, head of INEEL cybersecurity and the person who hired Larsen. He said he was impressed that Larsen had written his first computer code at age 13.

"I learned my hacking back when it was a cool thing," said Larsen, as he spoke of computing in the pre-Internet days. He wore a black T-shirt with the inscription "Stop laughing, computers are cool now."

INEEL officials say the lab would not hire anyone who had committed criminal acts and added the employees must obtain security clearances. "How do you know that your wife is not going to clean our your bank account?" Schaeffer said. "You just trust people and you do background checks."

The Idaho cybersecurity effort is part of the Department of Homeland Security's efforts to boost defenses against possible attacks of all kinds. INEEL seeks a delicate balance between encouraging key parts of the U.S. economy to boost their cybersecurity without inspiring any nefarious acts.

"What you don't want to do is increase the threat by advertising what you can do. I think dirty bombs is one example," said Dodd, INEEL's national security head.

Source: C-Net News
http://www.internet-security.ca/internet-security-news-007/government-hires-hackers-for-national-def...






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atwitsend Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 03:26 PM
Response to Reply #126
134. "'Langley' Hacks 911 Poll! - Results old news but revelant"
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 02:13 PM
Response to Reply #125
130. Richard Rainwater
Edited on Sun Dec-12-04 02:40 PM by seemslikeadream
"One may also fairly conclude that the Bushes are blessed and protected beyond reason by those portions of the public’s brain that have turned to mush. What other explanation but public stupidity explains the denouement of the Texas Rangers deal? As everyone knows, George W. used $600,000 from the Harken stock sale to buy a tiny slice of the Texas Rangers; and when the Rangers were sold last year for $250 million, the second-largest amount ever paid for a baseball team, George W. emerged with more than $14.9 million. What had made the ball club so valuable was a gift from the public — a $200 million stadium mostly paid for by a sales tax that the citizens of Arlington, Texas, had overwhelmingly voted to assume.

"Incredible. Ordinary folks — most of whom probably have a hard time meeting their mortgage payments — dug into their pockets to make George W. a rich man. But wait. It’s worse than that. Forget George W. for a moment. His reward was penny-ante compared to what some of his fellow owners got — men like Richard E. Rainwater, the mastermind of it all, the guy who allowed George W. to buy into the Rangers in the first place. Rainwater, rated by Fortune magazine as one of the 400 richest men in America, is the sorcerer who devised the investment strategy that elevated the Bass family from millionaires in the 1970s to billionaires in the 1990s. He probably owns the U.S. Treasury. And yet Texans are paying a sales tax to make him richer? Unbelievable."

http://www.bushfiles.com/bushfiles/fertilize_bushes.htm...


For more than a decade, George W. Bush - the sitting Texas governor, son of the ex-president, and possibly the Republican nominee for president in 2000 - has not made a move without consulting The Man … and I don't mean his father.

Down here in Texas we call him Shrub, as in little bush, and a shrub needs watering to grow up, right? So, in steps a man by the name of - we kid you not - Richard Rainwater. The national media has yet to probe into Bush's business dealings, but if and when they do, they'll find this man Rainwater. He's a billionaire speculator and money manager who ranks among the wealthiest 100 Americans. It's well known that Rainwater has been a major financial backer of Bush's political career, but it's a little-known fact that he's also largely responsible for Bush's personal wealth.

....

Bush is nothing if not loyal to Rainwater, who has done very nicely while his pal has been governor. Among the favors Rainwater has enjoyed:

State buildings sold to Rainwater's real estate company at bargain basement rates;

State college and public school funds invested in Rainwater's company;

A Bush-sponsored tax cut that failed, but would have cut millions in annual taxes for Rainwater; and

A stadium-financing bill backed by Bush that gave a $10 million bonus payment to a Rainwater company.

http://victorian.fortunecity.com/brambles/499/Bush/Rainwater/rainwater.html

America's President-elect, George W. Bush, held an investment in a company that leased a chain of psychiatric hospitals where patients died and the conditions were so appalling that many were shut down, The Observer reveals today.

The hospital chain - Charter Behavioral Health Systems - was exposed by a CBS television documentary last year after the deaths were reported. CBS had filmed widespread malpractices, acknowledged by government regulators. This led to a criminal investigation of Charter, which continues.

....

The Charter connection leads to the heart of Bush's business network in Texas. Crescent was founded by his closest business partner and the man who made him rich: genius investor and Texas billionaire Richard Rainwater. Rainwater was the major investor with whom Bush bought into the Texas Rangers baseball team in 1989 during his father's presidency. The investment was the source of Bush's biggest windfall and his folk hero status in Texas. He sold the baseball stock for a profit of $14.9 million, and Rainwater became part of the Bush circle.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/121700-01.htm



Rose is the founder and president of Cardinal Investments, which he now operates with his Pioneer partner Marshall Payne. The company has major stakes in Ace Cash Express (which cashes checks for the working poor for up to 6 percent of face value) and aviation and defense electronics firm Sierra Technologies. Rose was Cardinal’s sole owner in ’86, when he participated in a sneaky deal with one of Bush’s biggest donors. Richard Rainwater, an ex-investment advisor to the oil-rich family of Pioneer Lee Bass, arranged to borrow $300 million at high interest rates to buy Darling-Delaware Co. and other animal-fat rendering companies. Darling-Delaware had been a profitable, tax-paying company. After the takeover it was swamped with huge debt payments. Meanwhile, its new owners rewarded themselves with $180 million in “special dividends.” Suddenly, the company was operating at a loss. It stopped paying taxes and even collected a multi-million-dollar refund from the U.S. Treasury. Taxpayers got bilked while Rainwater, Rose and their cronies divvied up the $180 million in “special-dividend” fat.

http://www.tpj.org/pioneers/edward_rose.html

The indispensable local money came from Richard Rainwater, formerly the chief financial adviser to the Bass brothers of Fort Worth. Little known to the general public, Rainwater was famous on Wall Street for growing the Bass inheritance from around $50 million in 1970 to more than $4 billion by the time he left in 1986 to manage his own investments.

Both Bush and Ueberroth met with Rainwater in early 1989 to persuade him to join the Rangers syndicate. Rainwater then took effective control of the deal, bringing along Edward "Rusty" Rose, a well-known Dallas investor, to oversee the franchise. Under an agreement worked out by Betts and Rainwater, the title of "managing partner" would be shared between Rusty Rose and George W.--but the president's son would operate under a tight rein. He would function as the new ownership's friendly public face while Rose ran the business.

Bush's stake in the team, just under 2 percent, was among the smallest. He purchased his shares with a $500,000 loan from a Midland bank of which he had been a director and eventually scraped together another $106,000 to buy out two other limited partners. Rainwater, Rose, and their associates put up $14.2 million, while Betts and Bernstein invested about $6 million; the balance came from smaller investors, loans, and the equity of minority partners in the old Chiles partnership.

Two months after his father's inauguration, George W. Bush called a press conference in Arlington to announce that the Rangers sale had been successfully completed for a price that was later reported to be $86 million. Proclaiming that the new owners would share a "civic dividend" with Texas, he began to promote himself along with the team. While Rainwater, Rose, and all the other partners remained in the background, George W. behaved as if he were "the owner" of the Rangers. He attended every home game and even printed "baseball cards" bearing his own picture to hand out from his box

more
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1111/is_1797_300/ai_59086099/print
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 03:04 PM
Response to Reply #125
131. Bass Brothers, Tom Hicks
"While President Bush now resides in Washington D.C., the nepotism continues, linking him with the largest commercial radio station group owner, Clear Channel Communications out of Texas. Lowry Mays, CEO of Clear Channel is very friendly with the Bush family, being a fellow Texan with a background in petroleum interests. Another link between Bush and Clear Channel exists between the deal that was made when Bush sold his interest in the professional baseball team, the Texas Rangers, to Tom Hicks, then CEO of AMFM Communications. Tom Hicks, of the leveraged buyout firm Hicks, Muse, Tate and Furst, has had substantial interests in the radio broadcast industry.

"After the Telecommunications Act of 1996, Hicks combined radio companies (Chancellor Media) with his brother Steve Hicks (Capstar Broadcasting) forming AMFM. which was then aquired by Clear Channel Communications bringing in the Mays family. Lowry Mays, the patriarch is CEO of Clear Channel. His two sons, Mike and Randy are also closely tied in as Chief Operating Officer and Chief Financial Officer."

http://www.partytown.com/cmp/nepotism.htm

"The vice-chairman of Clear Channel is Tom Hicks, who with his brother Stephen Hicks owned AMFM Communications, which Clear Channel bought in 1999. Tom Hicks is the man who bought George W. Bush's interest in the Texas Rangers for $15 million, that interest for which Bush had paid $650,000 five years earlier. Thereafter, newly elected Governor George W. Bush appointed Hicks chairman of the University of Texas Investment Management Corporation, a position from which Hicks steered the University's investments into companies with close ties to Republican and Bush family interests. Lowry Mays, also sat on the UTIMCO board. Mr. Hicks was also part of the investment firm of Hicks, Muse, Tate, and Furst, George W. Bush's #4 all time contributor. Hicks' brother Stephen, who also made out like a bandit in the Clear Channel/AMFM merger, is a member of Bush's $100,000 Pioneers Club."


Bass Brothers, Tom Hicks
http://www.utwatch.org/utimco/bibliography.html

The Bass Brothers and Mickey Mouse and Pug Winokur

Strangely enough, Arvida remained a part of Penn Central and was managed by it until 1983 - at least three years after Pug Winokur went to work for Victor Palmieri, who headed Penn Central and its subsidiaries. According to John Taylor in Storming the Magic Kingdom: Wall Street, the Raiders and the Battle for Disney (Alfred A. Knopf, 1987), Penn Central emerged from Chapter 11 bankruptcy in 1978 "with what to many seemed an excessively bureaucratic management." One of Arvida's executives, Chuck Cobb, joined with Richard Rainwater in a leveraged buyout on behalf of the Bass Brothers. With an investment totaling $20 million, they arranged financing of $183.6 million, secured by Arvida's assets. Six months later they marketed the company to Disney, a corporation which already owned 17,000 acres of land in Florida. The eventual deal with Disney would result in giving Bass Brothers a big block of Disney stock. The land package which Disney had bought in around Orlando, Florida, in the 1950's had been put together for him by Paul Helliwell, former OSS chief of the Far East Division, who was recommended to Disney by William J. Donovan. Disney's investment banker for many years was J.P. Morgan, a firm which worked with Donovan. Helliwell also set up the Castle Bank in the Bahamas to launder money flowing from the sale of drugs from Burma and Thailand used to finance Chennault's airline. Castle Bank would eventually he connected to Billy Melon Hitcock's profits from selling LSD to California college students.

http://www.newsmakingnews.com/lm4,30,02,harvardtoenronpt4.htm
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #131
133. More on Hicks/Bush TX transactions
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/102404Mazza/102404mazza.html

October 20, 2004—As if Bush's sale of his $606,000 share of Texas Rangers stock to owner Tom Hicks for $15 million wasn't enough, there's more from deep in the heart of Texas to nail the good old boy, namely the possibility of tax evasion. That is, Bush declared the proceeds as a long-term capital gain, which it wasn't, as opposed to ordinary income, which it was. This means Bush paid at the capital gains' rate of 20 percent as opposed to the ordinary income rate of 39.6 percent. Beating the IRS out of nearly 20 percent in additional taxes. But the fun doesn't stop there.

As reported by MakeThemAccountable.com, Bush had had prior business with Tom Hicks, who also was cofounder, with his brother R. Steven Hicks, of a radio company that merged in 1999 into AMFM, Inc. It was soon engulfed and devoured by Clear Channel Communications, of which old Tom became vice chair (I think the title is appropriate, don't you?).

Tom, a busy bee, is also chief corporate raider for the firm Hicks, Muse, Tate & Furst. In addition to being Bush's No. 4 career patron, Hicks, Muse wanted to dip into the $13 billion University of Texas (UT) endowment for takeover deals, sort of like Michael Milken's old corporate raider "treasure chests." And we all know what happened to Mike. Indicted in 1989 of 98 counts of fraud and racketeering. In 1990, banned from operating in the securities industry for life and sentenced to 10 years in prison for security fraud by then straight shooting New York D.A., Rudy Guiliani. Sentence later reduced to 22 months, served at a "Club Fed," a fenceless prison camp for low risk inmates. Ah well, life at the top. But let's move on . . .

Coincidentally, as Bush stepped into the Texas governor's office, Hicks was confirmed as a University of Texas regent, first chair no less. Hicks corralled some lobbyists to help pass a bill to create the UT Investment Management Co (UTIMCO). Love the acronyms. Then UTIMCO handed out contracts to private investment firms to "manage" pieces of the endowment—lots of foxes in the old hen house. When a media scandal (remember those) actually exposed UTIMCO's juicy contract deals with firms connected to Hicks and Bush, and even one that President Bush 1 reportedly had a piece of, well, folks weren't too happy. Nevertheless, the management fees to Hicks for "investing" the TU billions could easily have topped the $250 million he paid for the Texas Rangers. In so many words, Bush in his official duties as governor passed Hicks the money to buy the team.

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atwitsend Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 03:08 PM
Response to Reply #125
132. Time for ACTION NOW!!! BATTERING RAM OF THE TRUTH
Community Access Cable Affiliates

http://www.freespeech.org/fsitv/html/affiliates.shtml

The following is a list of cable affiliates that air FSTV programming. We encourage you to contact your local station to let them know that you're watching Free Speech TV.
If your cable system is not listed, please call the community-access programmers in your community to suggest that they carry FSTV. If you have further questions about contacting your local programmers, drop us an email.
Is there an error in the broadcast time listed for your community? Please notify us by e-mail.
Printed form is available here: FSTV Public Access Affiliate Program Frequently Asked Questions and FSTV Non-Commercial Cable/Broadcast Affiliate Agreement.


Use these links to JUMP to affiliate listings for a particular state:

AR | AZ | CA | CO | CT | FL | HA | IA | ID | IN | MA | ME | MI | MN | MO | MT | NC | ND | NM | NY | OH | OR | PA | TX | VA | VT | WA | WI

ALL TIMES LISTED ARE LOCAL TIME

Fayetteville, AR
Channel 18, Community Access Television
Airs: Mon, Wed, & Fri: 7am-8am. Sat & Sun: 6pm-7pm.
Address: 101 W. Rock St. Fayetteville, AR 72701
Phone: 479-444-3433
Fax: 479-444-3437
Subscribers: 21,300

Prescott, AZ
Channel 13, Access 13
Airs Tue & Thu: 3pm-4pm.
Address: 844 Flora St. Prescott, AZ 86301
Phone: 928-710-3067
Fax: 928-445-0909
Subscribers: 26,500

Tucson, AZ
Channel 74, Access Tucson
Airs nightly, 10pm-midnight. Mon-Fri 6am-7am, 11am-noon.
Address: 124E Broadway Blvd. Tucson, AZ 8570 1
Phone: 502-624-9833
Fax: 502-792-2565
Subscribers: 95,000

Yuma, AZ
Channel 72, City of Yuma
Airs nightly, 10pm-midnight. Mon-Fri 6am-7am, 11am-noon.
Address: 1 City Plaza Yuma, AZ 85364
Phone: 928-373-5023
Fax: 928-373-5025
Subscribers: 25,000

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Arcata, CA
Channel 12, Arcata Public Education Government
Airs Mon -Fri, 9pm-Midnight; Sat & Sun 10pm -9am
Address: 411 12th St. Arcata 95501
Phone: (707) 822-7924
Fax: 707-822-8018
Subscribers: 50,000

Berkeley, CA
Channel 25 and 78, Berkeley Community Media
Airs on Channel 25, Mon: 8pm-10pm. Tu-Fri: 7am-8am. Fri: 6pm-8am. Sat: 10am-noon.
Airs on Channel 78, Tu-Fri: 7am-8am. Fri: 6pm-8pm. Sat: 7pm-9pm.
Address: 2239 Martin Luther King Jr. Dr. Berkeley, CA 94704
Phone: 510-848-2288
Fax: 510-848-0265
Subscribers: 18,463

Claremont, CA
Channel 55, Claremont Colleges TV
Airs Mon-Th: 10pm-11pm.
Address: 1325 N. College Ave. Claremont, CA 91711
Phone: 909-447-2531


Gilroy, CA
Channels 17, 18, 19, 20 Community Media Access Partnership (www.mycmap.org)
Airs: Daily 1am-8am
Address: 5055 Santa Teresa Blvd L 135 Gilroy, CA 85020
Phone: 408-846-4983
Fax 408-846-4907
Subcribers: 15,000


Grass Valley, CA
Channel 11, Foothills CATV
Airs Mon-Fri: 6am-7am, 5pm-6pm.
Address: 410 S. Church St. Grass Valley, CA 95945
Phone: 530-272-7031
Fax: 530-272-4075
Subscribers: 10,500

Hayward, CA
Channels 23, 26, 29, & 76, California State University Hayward
Address: 25800 Carlos Bee Blvd Hayward, CA 94542
Phone: 510-885-2521
Fax: 510-885-4021

Healdsburg, CA
Access Healdsburg
Address: 1026 Prince Street Healdsburg,CA 95448
Phone: 707-473-0888


Monterey, CA
Channel 24, Access Monterey Peninsula
Airs Mon & Fri: 4am-6am, 10am-noon. Sun & Thurs: 4pm-6pm, 10pm-midnight.
Address: 2200 Garden Road Monterey, CA 93940
Phone: 831-333-1267
Fax: 813-333-0386
Subscribers: 19,000

Morgan Hill, CA
Channel 19, Morgan Hill Access Television
82 East Second Street Morgan Hill, CA 95037
Airs Mon-Fri: 9-10pm.
Phone: 408-242-8945
Subscribers: 32,000

Mt. Shasta, CA
Channel 15, Mountain Comunity Television Airs Mon-Fri: 5am-6am, 9am-10am, 9pm-10pm
Address: 174 Main St. Weed CA 96094
Phone: 530-447-2531
Subscribers: 2000



Napa, CA
Channel 45, Napa PACTV

Airs: Mon & Fri: 4pm-7pm.
Address: 2425 Jefferson St. #105 Napa, CA 94558
Phone: 707-257-0574


Oceanside, CA
Channel 18 and 19, KOCT-TV
Airs Mon-Fri: 11pm- midnight.
Address: 3038-101 Industry St. Oceanside, CA 92054
Phone: 760-722-4433
Fax: 760-722-5849


Oakland, CA
http://kdoltv.ousd.k12.ca.us
Airs Mon-Fri: 5am-6am
Address: 314 E. 10th Street Oakland, CA 94606
Phone: 510-879-8320
Fax: 510-879-1847
Subscribers: 70,000

Petaluma, CA
Channel 27, Petaluma Community Access
Airs Mon-Fri: midnight-7am, 2pm-5pm.
Address: 333 Casa Grande, Bldg. E. Petaluma, CA 94954
Phone: 707-773-3190
Fax: 707-773-4252
Subscribers: 18,000

Sacramento, CA
Channel 18, Access Sacramento
Airs Mon-Fri: 6am-7am.
Address: 3023 Heirloom Way Sacramento, CA 95826
Phone: 916-366-0475


Santa Cruz, CA
Channel 27, Community Television of Santa Cruz
Airs Mon & Thurs: 10pm-6am.
Address: 816 Pacific Ave. Santa Cruz, CA 95060
Phone: 831-425-8848
Fax: 831-425-3958
Subscribers: 15,000

Santa Barbara, CA
Channel 17 South Coast Community Media Access Center
Address: 414 E. Carillo Santa Barbara, CA 93101
Phone: 805-963-3893
Fax: 805-962-3703
Subscribers: 86, 000


Santa Rosa, CA
Channel 72 Community Media Center
Airs Mon-Fri: 5am-7am and 4pm-5pm. Fri: 3pm-4pm. Sat: 6am-7am.

Address: 1975 Mendocino Ave. Santa Rosa, CA 95401
Phone: 707-569-8785
Fax: 707-569-8786
Subscribers: 15000

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Boulder, CO
Channel 54, Community Access of Boulder
Airs Wed & Th: 10pm-midnight. Th & Fri: 2am-4am.
Address: 2590 Walnut, Dairy Center for The Arts. Boulder, CO 80301
Phone: 303-440-1000
Fax: 303-440-8337
Subscribers: 34,200

Denver, CO
Channel 57, Denver Community TV
Airs nightly: Midnight - 4am. Mon-Sat: 6am-8am. Sun, 7am-8am
Address: 2900 Welton St. Denver, CO 80205
Phone: 303-295-4040
Fax: 303-295-4045
Subscribers: 115,000

Durango, CO
Channel 22, Durango Community Access Television
Airs daily 1am-6am.
Address: 802 E. 2nd Ave Durango, CO 81301
Phone: 970-259-2802
Subscribers: 6,500


Telluride, CO
Channel 12, Telluride Community Television
Address: P.O. Box 1521 Telluride, CO, 81435
Phone: 970-708-3838
Fax: (970)728-0257

Branford, CT
Channels 18, 19 and 20, Brandford Community Television
Address: 11 Cherry Hill Rd. Branford, CT 06405
Phone: 203-481-3232
Fax: 203-488-5081



New Haven, CT
Channel 27 and 28, Citizens Television
Airs on Channel 27 nightly, 1am-4am.
Airs on Channel 28 Tu & Th: 2pm-4pm.
Address: 873 State St. New Haven, CT 0651
Phone:203-562-2288
Fax: 203-562-2563
Subscribers: 87,000

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Tampa Bay, FL
Channels 20, Tampa Bay Community Network
Airs: Channel 20 Mon-Fri 12 midnight to 1 A.M. Channel 19 Monday-Friday 11 P.M. to 12
Address: 1001 North B Street Tampa Bay, FL 33606
Phone: 813-254-1687 ext. 16
Fax: 813-253-2146
Subscribers: 303,000

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Honolulu, HA
Channel 52-56, Olelo Community Television
Address:1122 Mapunapuna Street Honolulu, HI 96819
Phone:Phone: 808-834-0007
Fax: 808-836-2546
Subscribers: 372,000

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Boise, ID
Channel 11, Treasure Valley Public Access Television
Address: 6225 W. Overland Boise, ID 83709
Phone: 208-343-1100
Fax: 208-323-8447
Subscribers: 168,000

Iowa City, IA
Channels 13 (University of Iowa) and 18, Public Access Television
Airs Mon-Fri: 8am-9am.
Address: 206 Lafayette St. Iowa City, IA 52240
Phone: 319-338-7035
Fax: 319-338-8456
Subscribers: 20,000


Waterloo, IA
Channel 17, Waterloo Public Access Television Address: 715 Mulberry Street Waterloo, IA 80703
Phone: (319)291-4568
Fax: (319) 291-4571
Subscribers 30,000

Bloomington, IN
Channels 12, Community Access Telvision Services
Airs Fri & Sat: midnight-4am. Mon, Wed, Fri & Sat: 7pm-8pm.
Address: 303 East Kirkwood Avenue Bloomington, IN 47408
Phone: 812-349-3111
Fax: 812-349-3112



Fort Wayne, IN
Channel 57, Access Fort Wayne
Airs Mon-Fri: 8am-10am.
Address: 900 Webster St. Fort Wayne, IN 46802
Phone: 260-421-1248
Fax: 260-422-9688


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Amherst, MA
Channels 15,17 and 21, Amherst CTV
Airs Tue: 6pm-7pm. Wed: 10:30pm-6am. Thurs: 6pm-7pm, 10:30pm-6am.
Address: 246 College St. Amherst, MA 01002
Phone: 413-256-1010
Fax: 413-256-0038

Athol, MA
Channel 13, Athol-Orange Community TV, Address: 163 South Main St. Athol, MA 01331
Phone: 978-249-4470
Subscribers: 19, 000

Beverly, MA
Channel 10, Beverly Cable and Telecommunications Corp.
Airs Mon-Fri: 9am-10am.
Address: 100 Sohier Beverly, MA 01915
Phone: 978-927-5800
Fax: 978-927-5597



Cambridge, MA
Channel 9,Cambridge Community Television
Airs Mon-Fri: 8am-9am.
Address: 675 Massachusetts Ave. Cambridge, MA 02139
Phone: 617-661-6900
Fax: 617-661-6927
Subscribers: 25,000

Fitchburg, MA
Channel 36, Fitchburg Access Television
Airs Mon-Th: midnight-6am. Fri & Sat: 2am-6am. Sat: 8pm-midnight.
Sun: 3am-6am.
Address: 376 South St. Fitchburg, MA 01420
Phone: 978-343-0834
Fax: 978-342-7266
Subscribers: 11,500



Greenfield, MA
Channel 15, Greenfield Community Television
Address: 393 Main Street Greenfield, MA 01302-0807
Phone: 413-774-4288
Subscribers: 18,000


Hadley, MA
Channel 5, TV-5 of Hadley
Address: 100 Middle St. Hadley, MA
Phone: (413) 586-5661
Fax: (413) 586-5661
Subscribers: 4,500


Lowell, MA
Channel 8, Lowell Telecom Corp
Address: 246 Market St. Lowell, MA 01852
Phone: 978-458-5400
Fax: 978-937-0631
Subscribers: 31,000



Malden, MA
Channel 3, Malden Access TV
Airs Mon-Fri: 9am-10am, 10:30pm-5am. Sat & Sun: 10pm-5am.
Address: 145 Pleasant St. Malden, MA 02148
Phone: 781-321-6400
Fax: 781-321-7121
Subscribers: 16,500


Natick, MA
Channels 9 and 3, Natick Pegasus Inc.
Airs Mon-Sat: 9am-10am, 7pm-8pm. Address: 2 Summer St. Natick, MA 01760
Phone: 508-740-2773
Fax: 508-651-1285
Subscribers: 10,000



Newton, MA
Channel 10 on Comcast, Channel 15 on RCN, NewTV
Address: 90 Lincoln St. Newton, MA 02461
Phone: (617) 965-7200
Fax: (617) 965-5677
Subscribers: 80,000

Norfolk, MA
Norfolk Community Television
Address: 227 Dedham Street-P.O.B. 181 Norfolk, MA 02056
Phone: (508) 384-4448


Reading, MA
Channel 9 and 3, Reading Community TV Inc. (www.rctv.org)
Address: 24 Ash St. Reading, MA 01867
Phone: 781-944-8888
Fax: 781-944-3311
Subscribers: 23,000


Salem, MA
Channels 3, Salem Acces
Airs Mon-Fri: 9am-10am and 11pm-3am.
Address: 285 Derby St. Salem, MA 01970
Phone: 978-740-9432



Shrewsbury, MA
Channel 33, Shrewsbury Public Access
Airs daily, 2am-5am. Mon-Th: 9am-10am.
Address: 57 Parker Rd. Shrewsbury, MA 01545
Phone: 508-841-8650
Fax: 508-841-8651
Subscribers: 11,500

Somerville, MA
Channel 3, Somerville Community Access
Airs Mon: 11:30pm-midnight. Tue: 4pm-4:30pm. Tu-Fri: 8am-8:30am, 9am-10am.
Address: 90 Union Square, Somerville, MA 02143
Phone: 617-628-8826
Fax: 617-628-1811
Subsribers: 18,000

South Yarmouth, MA
Channels 17, Cape Cod Community Media Center
Airs Mon-Fri: 9am-10am.
Address: 307 Whites Path South Yarmouth, MA 02664
Phone: 508-394-2388
Fax: 508-398-4520


Vineyard Haven, MA
Channel 13, Martha's Vineyard Community Television
Address: P.O. Box 608 Vineyard Haven, MA
Phone: (508)696-9760
Fax: (508)696-9769
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Harpswell, ME
Channel 14, Harpswell Community Television
Airs Mon-Fri: 9am-10am & 12am-1am
Address: 10 Community Drive Harpswell, Maine 04079
Phone: 207-833-2363
Fax: 207-833-0058
Subscribers: 5,000

New Castle, ME
Channels 2 and 4, Lincoln County TV
Airs Mon-Fri: 9am-10am.
Address: 29 Sheepscot Rd. NewCastle, ME 04553
Phone: 207-775-2900
Subscribers: 35,000

Portland, ME
The Community Television Network
Airs Tu-Fri: 8am-8:30am, 9am-10am. Mon-Fri: 9am-10am. Fri: 7pm-8 pm
Address: 100 Oak St. Portland, ME 04101
Phone: 207-775-2900 ext. 2
Fax: 207-761-2559
Subsribers: 65,000

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Grand Rapids, MI
Channel 24, Grand Rapids TV
Airs Nightly: Midnight-3am.
Address: 711 Bridge NW Grand Rapids, MI 49504
Phone: 616-459-4788
Fax: 616-459-3970
Subscribers: 350,000

Kalamazoo, MI
Channel 19,20,21 and 22, Community Access Center
Airs Mon-Fri: 9am-10pm.
Address: 359 S. Kalamazoo Mall, Suite 300 Kalamazoo, MI 49007
Phone: 269-343-2211

Lake Orion, MI
Channel 10, Orion Neighborhood Television Address: 698 South Lapeer Rd. Lake Orion, MI 48362
Phone: 248-693-3377
Fax: 248-693-9686
Subscribers: 3000


Monroe, MI
Channel 13 or 18, Monroe PATV
Airs Tu-Th: 9am-10am.
Address: 20 W. 5th St. Monroe, MI 48161
Phone: 734-243-5707
Fax: 734-243-5707


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Minneapolis, MN
Channel 75, MTN
Airs Mon-Fri: 10pm-11pm.
Address: 125 S. E. Main Street Minneapolis, MN 55414
Phone: 612-331-8575
Fax: 612-331-8578
Subscribers: 80,000

Roseville, MN
Channel 14, North Suburban Acces Corporation
Airs daily 1am-2am, 7am-8am, 1pm-2pm, 7pm-8pm.
Address: 950 Woodhill Dr.Roseville, MN 55113
Phone: 651-481-9554
Fax: 651-482-1261
Subscribers: 25,000

St. Paul, MN
Channel 15 St. Paul Neighborhood Network Inc.
Airs Mon-Fri: 8am-9am.
Address: 214 E. 4th St. Suite 200 St. Paul, MN 55101
Phone: 651-298-8900
Fax: 651-298-8414
Subscribers: 58000



White Bear, MN
Channel 15, Suburban Community Channels
Address: 2460 East County Road F Suite B White Bear, MN 55110
Phone: 651-426-7338
Fax: 651-426-0997


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St. Louis, MO
Channel 21, Double Helix TV
Airs Mon-Fri: 6pm-7pm, 9pm-midnight.
Address: 625 N. Euclid, Suite 460 St. Louis, MO 63108
Phone: 314-361-8870
Fax: 314-361-6833


St. Louis, MO
Channels 13 and 26, Higher Education Channel
Airs: Mon & Fri 9pm-11pm.
Address: 3655 Olive St. St. Louis, MO 63108
Phone: 314-531-4455
Fax: 314-531-2750
Subscribers: 300,000

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Missoula, MT
Channel 7, 8 and 13, Missoula CATV
Airs Mon-Fri: 7am-8am. Mon-Wed: 10am-11am. Sat: 10am-11am.
Th: 11am-noon. Sat: 10am-11am.
Address: 500 N. Higgins, Suite 105 Missoula, MT 59802
Phone: 406-542-6228
Fax: 406-721-6014
Subscribers: 2,400

Chapel Hill, NC
Channel 8, The People's Channel
Address: 300A S. Elliott Rd. Chapel Hill, NC 27514
Phone: 701-258-8767
Phone: 919-960-0088
Subscribers: 443,000


Bismarck, ND
Channel 12, Community Access TV
Airs Mon-Fri: 1pm-2pm.
Address: 307 N. 4tth St. Bismarck, ND 58501
Phone: 701-258-8767
Fax: 701-258-8871
Subscribers: 28,000

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Albuquerque, NM
Channel 27, Quote...Unquote
Airs Mon-Fri: 7am-8am, noon-1pm. Fri, Sat,Sun: midnight-5am.
Address: PO Box 26206 Albuquerque, NM 87125
Phone: 505-243-0027
Fax: 505-243-5883
Subscribers: 120,000

Los Alamos, NM
Channel 8, PAC 8 TV
Airs nightly, 11pm-8am.
Address: 475 20th St. Los Alamos, NM 87544
Phone: 505-662-7228
Fax: 505-662-5603
Subscribers: 4,000

Rio Rancho, NM
Channel 51, PEG 51
Address: 3900 Southern Blvd. Rio Rancho, NM 87214
Phone: 505-896-0010
Fax: 505-896-0010
Subscribers: 9,000

Silver City, NM
Channel 17, Community Access Silver
Airs: 7 Days a week, 7am-8am, 5pm-6pm
Address: 215 Bullard St. Silver City, NM 88061
Phone: 505-534-0130
Fax: 505-534-0685
Subscribers: 5,000


Tarrytown, NY
Channel 19, Community Media Ch. 19
Address: 43 Wildey St. Tarrytown, NY 10591
Phone: 914-366-7409



Rochester, NY
Channel 15, Rochester Community TV, Inc.
Address:21 Gorham St. Rochester, NY 14605
Phone: 585-325-1238

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Centerville, OH
Channel 23, Miami Valley Communications Council
Mon-Fri: 10am-11am, Tues, Wed, Fri: 12am-1am, Sun: 8am-9am
Address: 1195 E. Alex-Bell Rd. Centerville, OH 45459
Phone: 937-438-8887
Fax: 937-438-8569
Subscribers: 23,000


Cincinnati, OH
Channel 4, Media Bridges
Airs nightly, midnight-6am.
Address: 2114 Reading Road Cincinnati, OH 45202
Phone: 513-651-4171
Fax: 513-651-1106
Subscribers: 331,000

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Beaverton, OR
Channel 23, Tualatin Valley Community Access
Airs nightly, midnight-6am.
Address: 11375 SW Center St. Suite B Beaverton, OR 97005
Phone: 503-629-8534
Fax: 503-645-8561
Subscribers: 250,000

Eugene, OR
Channels 22,29 Community Television of Lane County
Airs Mon-Fri: 4:30pm-5:30pm
Address:1430 Willamette #321 Eugene, OR 97402
Phone: 541-345-1633
Fax: 541-344-5830
Subscribers: 138,000

Gresham, OR
Channels 21, 22 and 27, Multnomah Community Television
Airs on Channel 21, Mon-Wed: 1am-5am. Th: 11pm-5am.
Airs on Channel 22, Mon-Fri: 10:30pm-11am. Mon-Wed & Fri: 11am-noon. Thurs: 2pm-3pm.
Airs on Channel 27, Mon: 4pm-5pm. Mon, Wed, Fri: 10pm-11pm. Tu & Sun: 11pm-1am.
Address: 26000 SE Stark St. Gresham, OR 97030
Phone: 503-491-7636
Fax: 503-491-7417
Subscribers: 160,000

Portland, OR
Channels 23, Portland Cable Access
Airs Th, Sat & Sun: 1am-6am.
Address: 2766 NE Martin Luther King Jr Drive. Portland, OR 97212
Phone: 503-288-1515
Fax: 503-288-8173
Subscribers: 150,000

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Philadelphia, PA
Channel 54, DUTV/Drexel University
Airs Mon-Fri: 9am-10am.
Address: 3141 Chestnut St., Bldg. 9B, Rm 4026 Philadelphia, PA 19104
Phone: 215-895-2927
Fax: 215-895-1054
Subscribers: 325,000

Pittsburgh, PA
Channel 21, Pittsburgh Community TV
Airs Mon-Fri: 9am-10am. Tu & Th: 1pm-2pm.
Address: 1300 Western Ave. Pittsburgh, PA 15233
Phone: 412-322-7579
Fax: 412-231-2292


York, PA
Channel 16, YCAT
Address: 1050 Z King St. York, PA 17405
Phone: 717-843-7722
Fax: 717-845-8081
Subscribers: 90,000

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Austin,TX
Channels 10, 11, 16 Austin Community Access Center
Address: 1143 Northwestern Ave. Austin TX 78702-2812
Phone: 512-478-8600
Fax: 512-478-9438
Subscribers: 657,000

Houston, TX
Channels 17 (Time Warner), 17 (TVMAX) and 98 (Kingwood),
Houston Media Source
Airs Mon-Fri: 8am-9am.
Address: 3900 Milam St. Houston, TX 77006
Phone: 713-524-7700
Fax: 713-524-3823


Charlottesville, VA
Charlottesville Public Access Television
Address: 1000 East Rio Road Charlottesville, VA 22901
Phone: 434-995-5905
Subscribers: 37, 000

Brattleboro,VT
Channel 8, Brattleboro Community Television
Airs Mon-Fri: 9am-10am.
Address: 230 Main St. Brattleboro, VT 05301
Phone: 802-257-0888
Subscribers: 6,000

Burlington, VT
Channel 17, CCTV
Airs Mon: 5:55-6:55. Tues & Wed: 11:45-12:45. Sat & Sun: 6:40pm-7:40pm.
Address: 294 North Winooski Burlington, VT 05401
Phone: 802-862-3966
Fax: 802-860-2370


Colchester, VT
Channel 16, Regional Education TV Network
Airs daily, 6am-7am.
Address: 76 King St. Ft. Ethan Allen Colchester, VT 05446
Phone: 802-654-7980
Fax: 802-654-7984
Subscribers: 35,000

Ludlow, VT
Channel 8, LPCTV
Address: 43 Main St. Ludlow, VT 05149
Phone: 802-228-8808
Fax: 802-228-8807

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Bainbridge Island, WA Channel 6, Bainbridge Island Broadcasting (www.bibonline.org)
Address: P.O. Box 10449 Bainbridge Island, WA 98110
Phone: 206-780-2980
Fax: 206-780-2724

Olympia, WA
Channels 22 and 29 Thurston Community Television
Airs: Mon-Fri: 4pm-5pm
Address: 440 Yauger Way SW #C Olympia, WA 98502
Phone: 360-956-3100
Fax: 360-357-2894
Subscribers: 50,000


Seattle, WA
Channels 29 and 77, Seattle CAN
Airs Mon-Fri: 8am-9am. Address: 1125 N 98th St. Seattle, WA 98103
Phone: 206-522-4758
Fax: 206-528-8049
Subscribers: 620,000


Madison, WI
Channels 2 and 4 WYOU-Community TV
Airs Mon-Fri: 5pm-6pm. Sat: 2pm-4pm.
Address: 650 E. Main St. Madison, WI 53703
Phone: 608-258-9644
Subscribers: 60,000

Milwaukee, WI
Channel 14 & 96 MATA Community Media
Airs Mon-Fri: Mon-Fri 7am-8am
Address: 2404 West Clybourne Milwaukee, WI 53233
Phone: 414-342-4000
Subscribers: 597,000

West Allis, WI
Channel 14, West Allis Comm. Media Ctr.
Airs Mon-Fri: 8am-9am, 1pm-2pm.
Address: Franklin Field House, 1964 S. 86th St. West Allis, WI 53227
Phone: 414-321-1121
Fax: 414-321-1121
Subscribers: 20,000


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Message: 25
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 00:12:27 +0100
From: "Cleopatricia"
Subject: USE THIS!! -- GREAT NEW MEDIA LIST

This list is GREAT, has very few 'failed' deliveries. USE THIS --



Media List from Independent Media Resource:

http://www.independentmediasource.com/voteintegrity2_14.htm


With semi-colon:

Set 1 consists of primarily National Television News media...

2020@abc.com;thisweek@abc.com;nightline@abcnews.com;48hours@cbsnews.com;
60m@cbsnews.com;bpc@cbsnews.com;evening@cbsnews.com;earlyshow@cbs.com;efm@cbsnews.com;ftn@cbsnews.com;
mkx@cbsnews.com;pma@cbsnews.com;rbc@cbsnews.com;sundays@cbsnews.com;grain@cbsnews.com;

aaron.brown@turner.com;am@cnn.com;360@cnn.com;andrea.koppel@turner.com;bill.schneider@turner.com;bruce.morton@turner.com;
candy.crowley@turner.com;carol.lin@turner.com;crossfire@cnn.com;daryn.kagan@turner.com;david.ensor@turner.com;
daybreak@cnn.com;kurtzh@washpost.com;inthemoney@cnn.com;crossfire@cnn.com;jeanne.meserve@turner.com;
jeff.greenfield@cnn.com;jim.walton@turner.com;

deirdre.walsh@turner.com;kelly.wallace@turner.com;kyra.phillips@turner.com;livefrom@cnn.com;livetoday@cnn.com;
lou.dobbs@turner.com;loudobbs@cnn.com;miles.obrien@turner.com;moneyline@cnn.com;newsnight@cnn.com;
Paula.Zahn2@cnn.com;paula.zahn@turner.com;tom.hannon@cnn.com;wam@cnn.com;wolf@cnn.c! om;
dennis.sullivan@msnbc.com;hardball@msnbc.com;countdown@msnbc.com;abramsreport@msnbc.com;
dshuster@msnbc.com;norville@msnbc.com;imus@msnbc.com;joe@msnbc.com;jtrippi@msnbc.com;Lesterholt@msnbc.com;
msnbcinvestigates@msnbc.com;feedback@msnbc.com;rreagan@msnbc.com;viewerservices@msnbc.com;dateline@nbc.com;
mtp@nbc.com;nightly@nbc.com;today@nbc.com;

feedback@ap.org;jloven@ap.org;lmargasak@ap.org;msilverman@ap.org;npickler@ap.org;rfournier@ap.org;sjohnson@ap.org;pr@ap.org;
thunt@ap.org;traum@ap.org;Editors@newsweek.com;howardfineman@aol.com;Letters@newsweek.com;
patricia.wilson.reuters.com@reuters.net;todd.eastham@reuters.com;arshad.mohammed@reuters.com;editor@reuters.com;

randall.mikkelsen@reuters.com;steve.holland@reuters.com;john.whitesides@reuters.com;investigations_desk@upi.com;politics_desk@upi.com;
letters@time.com;greg.hitt@wsj.com;jeanne.cummings@wsj.com;dkeil@bloomberg.net;wroberts@bloomberg.net;ghall@bloomberg.net;
hprzybyla@bloomberg.net;alan@alan.com;ontherecord@foxnews.com;MPossley@tribune.com


Set 2 of the New York Times and various National Print media...

bduffy@usnews.com;letters@usnews.com;gborger@usnews.com;jallen@usnews.com;kwalsh@usnews.com;
mzuckerman@usnews.com;letters@usnews.com;vpope@usnews.com;whispers@usnews.com;alevin@usatoday.com;
astone@usatoday.com;bslavin@usatoday.com;bnichols@usatoday.com;bwelch@usatoday.com;editor@usatoday.com;
dmoniz@usatoday.com;ghager@usatoday.com;gflanders@usatoday.com;jlawrence@usatoday.com;

jdrinkard@usatoday.com;jbiskupic@usatoday.com;editor@usatoday.com;jkeen@usatoday.com;kkiely@usatoday.com;
editor@usatoday.com;kjohnson@usatoday.com;editor@usatoday.com;mhall@usatoday.com;editor@usatoday.com;
rbenedetto@usatoday.com;rwolf@usatoday.com;spage@usatoday.com;tsquitieri@usatoday.com;tlocy@usatoday.com;
theforum@usatoday.com;wshapiro@usatoday.com;

lewin@nytimes.com;liptaka@nytimes.com;ropear@nytimes.com;rotone@nytimes.com;vannatta@nytimes.com;
tiwein@nytimes.com;miwein@nytimes.com;weisman@nytimes.com;liptaka@nytimes.com;bobherb@nytimes.com! ;
reis sc@nytimes.com;public@nytimes.com;dabrooks@nytimes.com;dakirk@nytimes.com;dasang@nytimes.com;

vannatta@nytimes.com;editorial@nytimes.com;erschm@nytimes.com;executive-editor@nytimes.com;febarr@nytimes.com;foreign@nytimes.com;justice@nytimes.com;burns@nytimes.com;
cushman@nytimes.com;markoff@nytimes.com;judym@nytimes.com;letters@nytimes.com;ligree@nytimes.com;
managing-editor@nytimes.com;liberties@nytimes.com;mossm@nytimes.com;national@nytimes.com;

nytnews@nytimes.com;news-tips@nytimes.com;nicholas@nytimes.com;krugman@nytimes.com;pekilb@nytimes.com;ropear@nytimes.com;
rotone@nytimes.com;stolberg@nytimes.com;slabaton@nytimes.com;weisman@nytimes.com;lewin@nytimes.com;
tiwein@nytimes.com;topurd@nytimes.com;washington@nytimes.com;safire@nytimes.com;

ellengoodman@globe.com;ombud@globe.com;kcooper@globe.com;johnson@globe.com;letter@globe.com;
brelis@globe.com;oliphant@globe.com;rkemper@tribune.com;bjapsen@tribune.com;csimpson@tribune.com;
cgarr! ett@tribu ne.com;fjames@tribune.com;GWashburn@tribune.com;gdelama@tribune.com;mdorning@tribune.com


Set 3 of the Los Angeles Times and various Print media...

aaron.zitner@latimes.com;alan.miller@latimes.com;barbara.serrano@latimes.com;barry.siegel@latimes.com;
James.Rainey@latimes.com;bill.rempel@latimes.com;bob.drogin@latimes.com;chuck.neubauer@latimes.com;
davan.maharaj@latimes.com;david.kelly@latimes.com;david.savage@latimes.com;david.willman@latimes.com;
david.zucchino@latimes.com;deborah.nelson@latimes.com;don.frederick@latimes.com;don.woutat@latimes.com;

doyle.mcmanus@latimes.com;ellen.barry@latimes.com;esther.schrader@latimes.com;faye.fiore@latimes.com;
glenn.bunting@latimes.com;greg.miller@latimes.com;janet.hook@latimes.com;joan.springhetti@latimes.com;
joel.havemann@latimes.com;johanna.neuman@latimes.com;john.glionna@latimes.com;john.hendren@latimes.com;
john.stewart@latimes.com;jonathan.peterson@latimes.com;josh.getlin@latimes.com;josh.meyer@latimes.com;

judy.pasternak@latimes.com;julie.bowles@latimes.com;ken.silverstein@latimes.com;kevin.sack@latimes.com;
leslie.hoffe! cker@lati mes.com;letters@latimes.com;linda.finestone@latimes.com;lisa.getter@latimes.com;
maggie.farley@latimes.com;maria.laganga@latimes.com;marjorie.miller@latimes.com;mark.barabak@latimes.com;
mark.mazzetti@latimes.com;mark.porubcansky@latimes.com;maryann.meek@latimes.com;mary.braswell@latimes.com;

mary.curtius@latimes.com;matea.gold@latimes.com;maura.reynolds@latimes.com;michael.finnegan@latimes.com;
michael.kinsley@latimes.com;michael.muskal@latimes.com;millie.quan@latimes.com;nick.anderson@latimes.com;
patrick.mcdonnell@latimes.com;patt.morrison@latimes.com;paul.feldman@latimes.com;peter.wallsten@latimes.com;
readers.rep@latimes.com;richard.cooper@latimes.com;richard.simon@latimes.com;robin.abcarian@latimes.com;

roger.ainsley@latimes.com;scott.gold@latimes.com;scott.kraft@latimes.com;stephanie.simon@latimes.com;
steve.braun@latimes.com;tom.furlong@latimes.com;tom.hamburger@latimes.com;tom.mccarthy@latimes.com;
elizabeth.mehren@latimes.com;
!
lette rsbwol@businessweek.com;jane_mayer@newyorker.com;themail@newyorker.com;deborah.barfield@newsday.com;
ken.fireman@newsday.com;letters@economist.com;amity.shlaes@ft.com;letters.editor@ft.com;philip.stephens@ft.com;

georgewill@washpost.com;jimhoagland@washpost.com;letters@washpost.com;ombudsman@washpost.com;
letters@washingtontimes.com;gpierce@washingtontimes.com;jmccaslin@washingtontimes.com;
editor@guardianunlimited.co.uk;foreign@guardian.co.uk;letters@guardian.co.uk;politics@guardian.co.uk;
politics.editor@guardianunlimited.co.uk;foreigneditor@independent.co.uk;newseditor@independent.co.uk;
online@tnr.com

Set 4 of miscellaneous national media, including the Radio and Internet....

morning@npr.org;rsiegel@npr.org;ombudsman@npr.org;sstamberg@npr.org;totn@npr.org;freshair@whyy.org;
watc@npr.org;wesat@npr.org;wesun@npr.org;npronsirius@npr.org;worldwide@npr.org;wesat@npr.org;
atc@npr.org;ataylor@npr.org;onthemedia@wnyc.org;bwilson@npr.org;bnaylor@npr.org;onthemedia@nyc.org;
ombudsman@npr.org;cflintoff@npr.org;corrections@npr.org;cwindham@npr.org;dschorr@npr.org;dardalan@npr.org;

drshow@wamu.org;connectionweb@wbur.bu.edu;dgonyea@npr.org;emcdonnell@npr.org;jlyden@npr.org;
jcochran@npr.org;jwilliams@npr.org;krudin@npr.org;lhansen@npr.org;ombudsman@npr.org;mliasson@npr.org;
lusa@npr.org;mblock@npr.org;atc@npr.org;morning@npr.org;nconan@npr.org;ntotenberg@npr.org;atc@npr.org;
pfessler@npr.org;ombudsman@npr.org;pbreslow@npr.org;

email@wrn.org;justicetalking@asc.upenn.edu;editorial@flashpoints.net;now@thirteen.org;charlierose@pbs.org;
newshour@pbs.org;news@capitolhillbureau.org;theworld@pri.org;

talbo! td@salon. com;boehlert@salon.com;gsealey@salon.com;kaufman@salon.com;mfollman@salon.com;mkeeley@salon.com;
michelle@salon.com;tgrieve@salon.com;letters@slate.com;dcorn@thenation.com;info@thenation.com;
editorial@progressive.org;jridgeway@villagevoice.com;mike@mikemalloy.com;rrhodes@airamericaradio.com;
newsonline@bbc.co.uk;buzzflash@buzzflash.com;kos@dailykos.com;mail@democracynow.org;imusshow@yahoo.com;

fair@fair.org;sternshow@howardstern.com;letters@iht.com;info@jimhightower.com;phart@fair.org;shohauser@fair.org;
aradelat@gns.gannett.com;billy.house@arizonarepublic.com;cweiser@gns.gannett.com;dabrahms@gns.gannett.com;
ekelly@gns.gannett.com;fbremner@gns.gannett.com;jcarroll@gns.gannett.com;jnorman@dmreg.com;kscott@gns.gannett.com;
lbivins@gns.gannett.com;mgroppe@gns.gannett.com;mmadden@gns.gannett.com;pbrogan@gns.gannett.com;

rchebium@gns.gannett.com;jgreenburg@tribune.com;jzeleny@tribune.com;jzuckman@tribune.com;jcrewdson@tribune.com;
JPeres@tribu! ne.com


With comma:

Set 1 consists of primarily National Television News media...

2020@abc.com,thisweek@abc.com,nightline@abcnews.com,48hours@cbsnews.com,60m@cbsnews.com,
bpc@cbsnews.com,evening@cbsnews.com,earlyshow@cbs.com,efm@cbsnews.com,ftn@cbsnews.com,
mkx@cbsnews.com,pma@cbsnews.com,rbc@cbsnews.com,sundays@cbsnews.com,grain@cbsnews.com,
aaron.brown@turner.com,am@cnn.com,360@cnn.com,andrea.koppel@turner.com,bill.schneider@turner.com,

bruce.morton@turner.com,candy.crowley@turner.com,carol.lin@turner.com,crossfire@cnn.com,daryn.kagan@turner.com,
david.ensor@turner.com,daybreak@cnn.com,kurtzh@washpost.com,inthemoney@cnn.com,crossfire@cnn.com,
jeanne.meserve@turner.com,jeff.greenfield@cnn.com,jim.walton@turner.com,deirdre.walsh@turner.com,
kelly.wallace@turner.com,kyra.phillips@turner.com,livefrom@cnn.com,livetoday@cnn.com,lou.dobbs@turner.com,

loudobbs@cnn.com,miles.obrien@turner.com,moneyline@cnn.com,newsnight@cnn.com,Paula.Zahn2@cnn.com,
paula.zahn@turner.com,tom.hannon@cnn.com,wam@cnn.com,wolf@cnn.c! om,dennis .sullivan@msnbc.com,
hardball@msnbc.com,countdown@msnbc.com,abramsreport@msnbc.com,dshuster@msnbc.com,
norville@msnbc.com,imus@msnbc.com,joe@msnbc.com,jtrippi@msnbc.com,Lesterholt@msnbc.com,

msnbcinvestigates@msnbc.com,feedback@msnbc.com,rreagan@msnbc.com,viewerservices@msnbc.com,
dateline@nbc.com,mtp@nbc.com,nightly@nbc.com,today@nbc.com,feedback@ap.org,jloven@ap.org,
lmargasak@ap.org,msilverman@ap.org,npickler@ap.org,rfournier@ap.org,sjohnson@ap.org,pr@ap.org,
thunt@ap.org,traum@ap.org,Editors@newsweek.com,howardfineman@aol.com,Letters@newsweek.com,

patricia.wilson.reuters.com@reuters.net,todd.eastham@reuters.com,arshad.mohammed@reuters.com,
editor@reuters.com,randall.mikkelsen@reuters.com,steve.holland@reuters.com,john.whitesides@reuters.com,
investigations_desk@upi.com,politics_desk@upi.com,letters@time.com,greg.hitt@wsj.com,jeanne.cummings@wsj.com,
dkeil@bloomberg.net,wroberts@bloomberg.net,ghall@bloomberg.net,hprzybyla@bloomberg.ne! t,alan@al an.com,
ontherecord@foxnews.com,MPossley@tribune.com


Set 2 of the New York Times and various National Print media...

bduffy@usnews.com,letters@usnews.com,gborger@usnews.com,jallen@usnews.com,kwalsh@usnews.com,
mzuckerman@usnews.com,letters@usnews.com,vpope@usnews.com,whispers@usnews.com,alevin@usatoday.com,
astone@usatoday.com,bslavin@usatoday.com,bnichols@usatoday.com,bwelch@usatoday.com,editor@usatoday.com,
dmoniz@usatoday.com,ghager@usatoday.com,gflanders@usatoday.com,jlawrence@usatoday.com,

jdrinkard@usatoday.com,jbiskupic@usatoday.com,editor@usatoday.com,jkeen@usatoday.com,kkiely@usatoday.com,
editor@usatoday.com,kjohnson@usatoday.com,editor@usatoday.com,mhall@usatoday.com,editor@usatoday.com,
rbenedetto@usatoday.com,rwolf@usatoday.com,spage@usatoday.com,tsquitieri@usatoday.com,tlocy@usatoday.com,
theforum@usatoday.com,wshapiro@usatoday.com,lewin@nytimes.com,liptaka@nytimes.com,ropear@nytimes.com,

rotone@nytimes.com,vannatta@nytimes.com,tiwein@nytimes.com,miwein@nytimes.com,weisman@nytimes.com,
liptaka@nytimes.com,bobherb@nytimes.com! ,reissc@n ytimes.com,public@nytimes.com,dabrooks@nytimes.com,
dakirk@nytimes.com,dasang@nytimes.com,vannatta@nytimes.com,editorial@nytimes.com,erschm@nytimes.com,
executive-editor@nytimes.com,febarr@nytimes.com,foreign@nytimes.com,justice@nytimes.com,burns@nytimes.com,

cushman@nytimes.com,markoff@nytimes.com,judym@nytimes.com,letters@nytimes.com,ligree@nytimes.com,
managing-editor@nytimes.com,liberties@nytimes.com,mossm@nytimes.com,national@nytimes.com,nytnews@nytimes.com,
news-tips@nytimes.com,nicholas@nytimes.com,krugman@nytimes.com,pekilb@nytimes.com,ropear@nytimes.com,
rotone@nytimes.com,stolberg@nytimes.com,slabaton@nytimes.com,weisman@nytimes.com,lewin@nytimes.com,

tiwein@nytimes.com,topurd@nytimes.com,washington@nytimes.com,safire@nytimes.com,ellengoodman@globe.com,
ombud@globe.com,kcooper@globe.com,johnson@globe.com,letter@globe.com,brelis@globe.com,oliphant@globe.com,
rkemper@tribune.com,bjapsen@tribune.com,csimpson@tribune.com,cgarrett@trib! une.com,f james@tribune.com,
GWashburn@tribune.com,gdelama@tribune.com,mdorning@tribune.com


Set 3 of the Los Angeles Times and various Print media...

votewatch3@independentmediasource.com,aaron.zitner@latimes.com,alan.miller@latimes.com,barbara.serrano@latimes.com,
barry.siegel@latimes.com,James.Rainey@latimes.com,bill.rempel@latimes.com,bob.drogin@latimes.com,chuck.neubauer@latimes.com,
davan.maharaj@latimes.com,david.kelly@latimes.com,david.savage@latimes.com,david.willman@latimes.com,
david.zucchino@latimes.com,deborah.nelson@latimes.com,don.frederick@latimes.com,don.woutat@latimes.com,

doyle.mcmanus@latimes.com,ellen.barry@latimes.com,esther.schrader@latimes.com,faye.fiore@latimes.com,
glenn.bunting@latimes.com,greg.miller@latimes.com,janet.hook@latimes.com,joan.springhetti@latimes.com,
joel.havemann@latimes.com,johanna.neuman@latimes.com,john.glionna@latimes.com,john.hendren@latimes.com,
john.stewart@latimes.com,jonathan.peterson@latimes.com,josh.getlin@latimes.com,josh.meyer@latimes.com,

judy.pasternak@latimes.com,julie.bowles@latimes.com,ken.silverstein@latimes.com,k! evin.sack @latimes.com,
leslie.hoffecker@latimes.com,letters@latimes.com,linda.finestone@latimes.com,lisa.getter@latimes.com,
maggie.farley@latimes.com,maria.laganga@latimes.com,marjorie.miller@latimes.com,mark.barabak@latimes.com,
mark.mazzetti@latimes.com,mark.porubcansky@latimes.com,maryann.meek@latimes.com,mary.braswell@latimes.com,

mary.curtius@latimes.com,matea.gold@latimes.com,maura.reynolds@latimes.com,michael.finnegan@latimes.com,
michael.kinsley@latimes.com,michael.muskal@latimes.com,millie.quan@latimes.com,nick.anderson@latimes.com,
patrick.mcdonnell@latimes.com,patt.morrison@latimes.com,paul.feldman@latimes.com,peter.wallsten@latimes.com,
readers.rep@latimes.com,richard.cooper@latimes.com,richard.simon@latimes.com,robin.abcarian@latimes.com,

roger.ainsley@latimes.com,scott.gold@latimes.com,scott.kraft@latimes.com,stephanie.simon@latimes.com,steve.braun@latimes.com,
tom.furlong@latimes.com,tom.hamburger@latimes.com,tom.mccarthy@latimes.com! ,elizabet h.mehren@latimes.com,
lettersbwol@businessweek.com,jane_mayer@newyorker.com,themail@newyorker.com,deborah.barfield@newsday.com,
ken.fireman@newsday.com,letters@economist.com,amity.shlaes@ft.com,letters.editor@ft.com,philip.stephens@ft.com,

georgewill@washpost.com,jimhoagland@washpost.com,letters@washpost.com,ombudsman@washpost.com,
letters@washingtontimes.com,gpierce@washingtontimes.com,jmccaslin@washingtontimes.com,editor@guardianunlimited.co.uk,
foreign@guardian.co.uk,letters@guardian.co.uk,politics@guardian.co.uk,politics.editor@guardianunlimited.co.uk,
foreigneditor@independent.co.uk,newseditor@independent.co.uk,online@tnr.com


Set 4 of miscellaneous national media, including the Radio and Internet....

morning@npr.org,rsiegel@npr.org,ombudsman@npr.org,sstamberg@npr.org,totn@npr.org,freshair@whyy.org,watc@npr.org,
wesat@npr.org,wesun@npr.org,npronsirius@npr.org,worldwide@npr.org,wesat@npr.org,atc@npr.org,ataylor@npr.org,
onthemedia@wnyc.org,bwilson@npr.org,bnaylor@npr.org,onthemedia@nyc.org,ombudsman@npr.org,cflintoff@npr.org,
corrections@npr.org,cwindham@npr.org,dschorr@npr.org,dardalan@npr.org,drshow@wamu.org,connectionweb@wbur.bu.edu,

dgonyea@npr.org,emcdonnell@npr.org,jlyden@npr.org,jcochran@npr.org,jwilliams@npr.org,krudin@npr.org,lhansen@npr.org,
ombudsman@npr.org,mliasson@npr.org,lusa@npr.org,mblock@npr.org,atc@npr.org,morning@npr.org,nconan@npr.org,
ntotenberg@npr.org,atc@npr.org,pfessler@npr.org,ombudsman@npr.org,pbreslow@npr.org,email@wrn.org,
justicetalking@asc.upenn.edu,editorial@flashpoints.net,now@thirteen.org,charlierose@pbs.org,newshour@pbs.org,

news@capitolhillbureau.org,theworld@pri.org,talbotd@salon.com! ,boehlert @salon.com,gsealey@salon.com,kaufman@salon.com,
mfollman@salon.com,mkeeley@salon.com,michelle@salon.com,tgrieve@salon.com,letters@slate.com,dcorn@thenation.com,
info@thenation.com,editorial@progressive.org,jridgeway@villagevoice.com,mike@mikemalloy.com,rrhodes@airamericaradio.com,
newsonline@bbc.co.uk,buzzflash@buzzflash.com,kos@dailykos.com,mail@democracynow.org,imusshow@yahoo.com,fair@fair.org,

sternshow@howardstern.com,letters@iht.com,info@jimhightower.com,phart@fair.org,shohauser@fair.org,aradelat@gns.gannett.com,
billy.house@arizonarepublic.com,cweiser@gns.gannett.com,dabrahms@gns.gannett.com,ekelly@gns.gannett.com,
fbremner@gns.gannett.com,jcarroll@gns.gannett.com,jnorman@dmreg.com,kscott@gns.gannett.com,lbivins@gns.gannett.com,
mgroppe@gns.gannett.com,mmadden@gns.gannett.com,pbrogan@gns.gannett.com,rchebium@gns.gannett.com,
jgreenburg@tribune.com,jzeleny@tribune.com,jzuckman@tribune.com,jcrewdson@tribune.com,JPeres@tribune.com




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