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AndrewClarke Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 09:48 AM
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Numbers from New Hampshire
All I've seen after Nader's partial recount ended was that there was "little change." The closest I've seen to an accounting of the numbers was this: "The largest gain for a presidential candidate has been nearly 25 votes, but gains of 10 votes or fewer have been more common. When one major-party candidate gained, the other also tended to gain."

Has anyone seen the actual numbers?

Officially, it doesn't matter, because I remember reading that the recounted numbers would not be included with the original results unless there was a statewide recount. But I'm still curious. Can anyone enlighten me?
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righteous1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 09:54 AM
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1. Ended up Kerry picked up 60 additional votes
Bush picked up 80
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AndrewClarke Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 09:56 AM
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3. Where did you see that?
Do you also have a breakdown by ward? Thanks.
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righteous1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 09:58 AM
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5. Read it in a NH newspaper article i believe on Thursday
I'll see if i cant find it and post the link
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AndrewClarke Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 10:11 AM
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6. Thanks . . .
I've been searching Google News since the recount ended, to no avail.
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berniew1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 10:28 AM
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7. This was strange state to do recount in; Kerry won & nothing in dispute
This was strange state to do recount in; Kerry won & nothing in dispute that I'm aware of. Anyone know the the 11 precincts recounted were chosen?
Was it based on someones analysis that showed unusual pattern for those precincts?
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righteous1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 11:38 AM
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9. The main reason that they picked
Edited on Sun Dec-05-04 11:39 AM by righteous1
this state was because of the large differences between exit poll and election night vote tallys ie. NH 11% FL 6% OH 4%
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Harlan James Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 09:55 AM
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2. I'm A Little Confused On The Recount Thing
If Bush's handlers rigged the Diebold (etc) vote, aren't we just cheering on the recounting of the same old illegitimate numbers?

The really problem, it seems to me, doesn't lie with recounting the numbers, it lies with the numbers themselves.

I honestly don't see how recounting will mean all that much. Kind of a wank, actually. What we need to do is get the courts to order the seizure of all Diebold (etc) records and communications regarding the 2004 election.

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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 09:58 AM
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4. New Hampshire has a paper trail.
The equipment is optical scan, and the original (paper) ballots were hand counted. *If* there is fraud in New Hampshire, it does not appear to be at the machine level, or folks went to an unbelievable amount of trouble to cover it up. :) Best, Ida
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ramblin_dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 10:42 AM
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8. At the machine level?
If the hand count is very close to the original machine count, then where could fraud have occurred?

It's possuble, I suppose, that the hand counted ballots were tampered with - added, subtracted, marked up, etc. This is a chain of custody issue and would seem to involve a lot of people to pull off.

Fraud at the machine level would make sense for DREs with no paper trail since software or wireless interfaces could theoretically be used to modify a voter's choices without detection. But what would machine level fraud be for optical scan?
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 11:48 AM
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10. Some of the fraud is in the absentee ballots
that's where people should look. Absentee ballots plus the inactive voter lists is where the REPs focused a lot of attention.

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