Kerry did not lose FL, OH or NM. Posts which claim otherwise are FOS.

[TruthIsAll]

My name is TruthIsAll and I approve this message.

[private_ryan]

1. you can approve the message all you want

but unless it's backed by facts no one will buy it.

[New Earth]

2. sometimes, logic serves just as well as 'facts'

[reality_bites]

31. Wait, is someone here being logical ?

I must have missed it.

[TruthIsAll]

3. You don't have to buy it. I'm not selling anything.

tia

[roguevalley]

4. I just wish things were faster. I want to see Kerry crowned, not the

little cretin.

[libmeayer]

22. He will be on January 20th.

All our feeling are saying that he will be President.

[Igel]

15. To make a claim is to sell an idea. n/t

[goclark]

19. BINGO! Kerry Won!

That is what I believe and no one will ever make me not believe it.

So let's sell the truth!

Kerry Really Won!

Repeat after me: " Kerry really won, Bush stole the election again!"

[berniew1]

20. Good summary of voter suppression and signif. irregularities in Ohio

Systematic Voter Suppression: STEALING VOTES IN Ohio Urban Areas (by ward/precinct)

Stealing Votes in Columbus

http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/columbus.htm

Stealing Votes in Cleveland http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/cleveland.htm

www.votersunite.org/electionproblems.asp?sort=date&selectstate=OH&selectproblemtype=ALL

Indications of possible ballot box stuffing in S.W. Ohio counties www.flcv.com/swohio.html

http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/warren.htm

Indications of irregularities or fraud in several Ohio counties

www.flcv.com/fraudioh.html

Favoritism in the Suburbs http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/suburbs.htm

Analysis Indicates Kerry could win Ohio with a "fair process" and fair vote count

http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/uncounted.htm

Richard Hayes Phillips, Ph.D. 4 Fisher Street Canton, New York 13617 [phone] [e-mail]

[libmeayer]

21. Facts are not important. It is what we "feel" is imprtant.

[TruthIsAll]

28. I heard the news today, oh boy....

tia

[buddysmellgood]

5. All aboard the Vote Fraud Express

[bones_7672]

6. I DO believe in fairies, I DO, I DO!!

Yeah, right. You can wish it all you want, but until you have proof (and, sorry Bev, all the kook conspiracy rants aren't proof) there is not a snowball's chance that ANY judge, ANY Senator, will lift ONE finger to stop the inaugaration.

Just cuz you can't deal with the results of the election won't change Jan. 20th.

[New Earth]

7. lol

i can deal with the results just fine. CAN YOU???

[private_ryan]

11. but he approves the message

doesn't that make it so?

[RageKage]

12. The government is only legitimate if I believe in it.

If I don't believe my vote counts and that the elections were fair, then my government is exactly as legitimate, and worthy of my loyalty and consent, as one imposed by coup d'etat. (it would depend on the reason for the coup, and would be time-limited)

I'm a Canadian. I assume that most Americans would agree with the above proposition (even if they disagree on what would make a coup d'etat legitimate).

It is up to the government to make me believe - to prove - that we have fair elections. With only the currently available information regarding the US election, I don't see how anyone could be reasonably certain it was a fair election, and I, for one, see reason to believe that it wasn't.

Knowing how many Americans also feel this way, I fear what will happen if nothing is done to make them feel otherwise, and Bush remains President. Because I do know that Americans talk an awful lot about the value of an armed insurrection to overthrow tyranny.

Until the US government resolves doubts about the elction (either by proving them wrong, or acting upon them), the more doubt there is, the more chance that such a nightmare scenario could happen.

I still have great faith in the overall intelligence and political energy of the American people (as evidenced by DU), and do not think it would ever come to this. It may very well take massive, sustained, non-violent civil disobience, but I don't even think it will even go that far. Well, I hope not.

Just my humble opinion.

(Also, as one who is friends with many journalists, keep the above in mind when assessing the reluctance of the media to give attention to this story. BUT I still think the media blackout has been very very disturbing)

[libmeayer]

23. Come on man.

Do not be doom and gloom.

[RedCheckShirt]

8. I, for one, refuse to be discouraged

John Kerry is my president and Teresa Heinz Kerry is my first lady.

The truth eventually will out. The neocons will not succeed in stealing this election.

[Quakerfriend]

9. The truth is out

Will we make them listen? Let's meet in the streets!!

[RedCheckShirt]

10. It is embarassing that the Ukranians resisted

and we are not.

[bearfan454]

17. Damn right n/t

[libmeayer]

24. Yes.

[Hobbes199]

13. Hear, hear!

Hell I think he probably won IA, NC, and KY!

[understandinglife]

14. And, Kerry should have received ~ 112,000 more votes in WA...

....and Rossi's lead over Gregoire should have been ~ 14,000.

And, all would have been fine if Gregoire hadn't done ~ 0.5 % better than expected.

Peace.

"Did Bush Know?"

[Igel]

16. Did anybody else ever run an experiment

and not have the results turn out as the theory said they should? You're 99% the results are wrong, your stats back you up--those 100 trials could turn out that way with vanishingly small frequency; but several dozen trials later, they're still "wrong."

What ya do?

Systematically question everything. But I've never seen anybody assume the lab assistant threw the results without proof; usually, you make sure the stats were appropriate, then you question your assumptions, then you start looking like hell for anything you overlooked. The goofie stats show some assumption was wrong; You tweak the experiment, and try again. At some point--not after the first run--you check the results yourself.

We effectively only have one trial run. The changes of my growing up in MD, living 2 years in NJ, 2 yrs in DE, 10 years in OR, 8 in LA, and 4 in NY are probably small (add the specific cities, and they're smaller); but it happened.

TIA, did you overlook anything in the early exit poll assumptions?

(And, yes, that's a rhetorical question: you have no more of an idea what Mitofsky's assumptions were that I do. I'd feel out of place questioning the assumptions, not knowing them; and I wouldn't defend them, not knowing them.)

edited to include: Need to get kid to bed. G'night.

[RageKage]

25. except in this case, everybody in the lab

is talking about how equipment has meen malfuntioning and corrupting results. And the lab assistent's brother has a vested interest in discrediting your work.

But otherwise, I agree with you.

[ebayfool]

26. Good point! & the lab rats are getting restless - they want to fire the...

lab director!

[max sg]

18. kerry

This is true.

[ClintCooper2003]

27. Well, it is possible he lost Florida because even the raw exit polls...

showed Bush ahead by one tenth of one percentage point. But I agree that he won Ohio and New Mexico. :)

[Wabbajack]

29. What about Iowa?

[Vidar]

30. Right on, TruthIsAll.

[FogerRox]

32. Exit polling shows

23 states with an error of over 2% 'tween results and Exit polls.

Your list of 3 states is too small

[Kellis]

33. The exit polls were correct.

Kerry is President.

Bush needs to~


"Get out of Kerrys House!"