Keith Oberman not impressed with the latest Madsen story...

[propagandafreegal]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240/

...Now, he is back with an even longer, more intricate story that drags in NASA, Lockheed Martin, Brazilian computer maintenance technicians, Nigerian scammers, and a reputed affidavit that fingers a Florida congressman.

The problem is that the amazing check for $29.6 million, whose authenticity was the cornerstone of Madsen’s first two stories, not only turns out to be a fraud, but now, its fraudulence becomes one of the cornerstone’s of Madsen’s newest story. As he told the Pacifica radio station (KPFT) in Houston Sunday, “Yeah, it turns out that the $29 million check, although a valuable clue, was a fake. But it looks like the people who released the check did so as a way to say ‘hey, look here, don’t look at the check, look who’s behind it, look around it, follow the money that these people have been involved with…’”

Once again, if any part of Mr. Madsen’s writing on the election is proved and valid, I’ll not only repeat my offer to pay his way for him to pick up his Pulitzer Prize — I’ll physically carry him there myself. There could very well be facts — even important facts — hiding in there somewhere.

But to turn on a dime and write that a document is real, and hard evidence of a crime, and then come back and admit that it’s fake, but still hard evidence of a crime, is an intellectual leap of faith worthy of Evel Knievel. It violates every precept of good journalism, to say nothing of good investigation. I won’t even ask about logic.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

1. .

[righteous1]

7. Isn't this Madsen the guy that said

Wes Clarke was a GOP moll slipped into the campaign to undermine Dean etc

[libmeayer]

24. It seems that Olbermann is waking up

from his utter delusion.

[benburch]

2. I can only agree.

Madsen is very suspect.

[New Earth]

5. does Madsen have anything to do with this Clint Curtis?

there's too much info coming at once, i don't understand what's connected with what or not.

[righteous1]

9. Appears so, Olbermann refers to the guy with the affidavit

that fingers a FL congressman

[pointsoflight]

21. Looks like he read Madsen, but not the BradBlog affadavit...

Or at least he's choosing not to comment on it yet.

[understandinglife]

10. perhaps this set of quotes from Brad will...

....be helpful:

"In what he describes as "an attempt to get this story out there", Curtis told part of the tale on a website, www.justaflyonthewall.com where he has changed the names of some of the specific parties involved. (e.g. "Wong" is substituted for "Yang" on the site)

Additional charges by Curtis also include that databases and information were routinely sent by Mrs. Yang to her brother in China who, Yang had told Curtis on one occasion, had previously been deported for "being a spy". The BRAD BLOG has not yet been able to confirm the espionage charges concerning Mrs. Yang's brother.

Curtis' affidavit is being turned over this afternoon to staffers at the U.S. House Judiciary Committee. An investigation into Curtis' story is pending.

While we've been working on this story for several days in order to get it right, we had hoped to hold it a bit longer to confirm a few more of the details. As well, we had hoped to allow the Judiciary Committee and others time to comment before making this story widely available.

However, as of late Sunday night, Curtis' story has been reported elsewhere on the Internet by Wayne Madsen. His detailed account references an older, very short affidavit that Curtis had made in regards to the information contained in a self-published book on some of these matters."

http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00001024.htm

[jamboi]

11. Time will tell where the truth of this matter lies. n/t

[righteous1]

3. I'd say that's a bit of an understatement n/t

[jamboi]

14. KO will flip just as fast as this story plays out and the truth emerges.

Have no fear. KO respects the truth.

[Sperk]

4. I must admit....I thoutht "it's real", "not it's not" didn't sit well

n/t

[bleever]

6. No, but he does give it national exposure...

Sometimes it's true that there's no such thing as bad publicity.

Gotta start somewhere; weren't we at this stage with the mere idea of problems with the election a couple weeks ago?

"Yes, it's probably crazy; more as this develops."

I like it.

[jamboi]

12. Definitely. And also where there's smoke there's likely fire. n/t

[NVMojo]

17. you are right, bleever, and all good politicians know that!

[Bread and Circus]

8. Perhaps Madsen copies Bush/Cheney? -->>

KO quote:

"But to turn on a dime and write that a document is real, and hard evidence of a crime, and then come back and admit that it’s fake, but still hard evidence of a crime, is an intellectual leap of faith worthy of Evel Knievel. It violates every precept of good journalism, to say nothing of good investigation. I won’t even ask about logic."

end quote.

____________

Isn't that what Bush/Cheney did with the Dalfour Report? :shrug:

[BradBlog]

15. Madsen's story was why I got the BRAD BLOG story out sooner...

... than I had wished.

If you read my story (http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00001024.htm) investigated and reported independently of Madsen, I had hoped to hold it *until* the Judiciary Comm. had a chance to look it over.

But, as I mention in the story:

====
However, as of late Sunday night, Curtis' story has been reported elsewhere on the Internet by Wayne Madsen. His detailed account references an older, very short affidavit that Curtis had made in regards to the information contained in a self-published book on some of these matters.

While Madsen's article was independently researched and reported -- and offers some very good detail in relation to Curtis, YEI, FDOT and Feeney, much of which that we can confirm -- he then ties those stories to a much grander CIA/Bush family conspiracy.

While we have looked somewhat cursorily over the last several weeks into some of the larger matters which Madsen discusses, and has been reporting on for some time, we cannot confirm any of those grander details as playing any part in this particular story. While his claims may be true, The BRAD BLOG has seen no evidence to support them as being related to the Curtis story at this time.

Frankly, we find the information related in Curtis' sworn affidavit, and via our interviews with him and others directly related to his story to be rather stunning as is, and we will stand by our reporting of those matters at this time.

Given the importance of the many allegations in his story if they are true -- and we have so far been unable to identify any major holes or discrepancies in his information -- we thought it necessary to release the full details contained in this sworn affidavit immediately so that Curtis' story and the explosive allegations contained therein could be more accurately assessed.
====

I hope that helps clarify. I wish Madsen had not run his story, and tied a good story in with a bunch of unproven stuff.

My story including the HARD AFFIDAVIT and other verifiable stuff, and stayed away from all of the CIA/Bush Family conspiracy theory mumbo-jumbo (no disprespect to Mr. Madsen, but unless he has evidence to back up the claims he makes, no matter if they are true, they are essentially mumbo-jumbo).

Brad
The BRAD BLOG
http://www.BradBlog.com

[Celebration]

16. and thanks for that

Madsen has really reported two separate stories. When the evidence of the first one didn't pan out, he still couldn't let it go. Then he makes a convoluted attempt to link the two. There is NO WAY that anyone can explain to me the link between Curtis and Japanese gold. But since his was a "developing story" he had to replace the first story with Curtis, whose book has been out for some time, and who really has no knowledge of this election. What happened to the four states? What happened to the lockdowns? The story of Curtis is interesting and should be investigated............but it is not going to overturn this election.

Brad, have you talked with anyone close to Lemme? Why would he leave for work an hour early and then not go there, unless he really was planning to commit suicide? If he had some meeting somewhere, wouldn't he have told her? At least I think I read somewhere that he had been married. Have you checked with his friends at the time? Had he been despondent? Madsen's evidence on this was that he had talked to a medical doctor who said that hits would be done this way. That is not evidence at all. That is pure speculation.

[Liberty Belle]

25. If these stories were false, why no protests from the "innocent"?

I find it telling that not one of the companies or individuals implicated by you, Madsen, or Curtis have stepped forward to object. If they were innocent, wouldn't you have expected some protest by now--including threats of libel suits? The silence, in my opinion, speaks volumes.

[KittyWampus]

30. Silence? Well If GOP Wants To Set Disinformation Trap- They'd WANT

to keep silent in order to get the ball rolling.

[Liberty Belle]

32. Could be.

[Clark2008]

13. Ah, well...

I won't say it...

But, it's initials are "ITYS."

:)

[AtLiberty]

18. I have questions regarding some of Madsen's...

..."facts," but why do we care so much what Keith Olbermann says?

[Clark2008]

27. For several reasons

1. Keith is the only MSM reporter to cover the election fraud/irregularities story in depth. His ratings went up 128 percent in November, so, obviously, people are hungered for this type of news.

2. Olbermann strikes me as a fair-minded, old-school journalist from the days when reporting was a public service and not a means to a great salary, cool cars and pushing an agenda down people's throats. While most starting reporters earn a nationwide average of about $25,000 a year, it is the more popular television personalities who rake in the dough and shape public opinion - and, with the advent of Faux News - they have done this far too much to in any shape resemble journalism. Olbermann looks to be one of our few hopes in keeping democracy alive by practicing Fourth Estate-style reporting: keeping the other three branches of government in check (this is why the right constantly yells, "liberal media." It's a ruse to make all four "estates" of the government under their control.)

3. He's smart. I know, I know... I'm biased here, but the man is brilliant. He wrote his first book at 14, forcripessake! I care what an intelligent, non-partisan has to say about all this because it keeps our tin-foil in check, exposes our vulnerabilities so that we may correct them and strengthens our position with court-safe, provable data, i.e. fact. We need to proceed as though we were a bunch of attorneys arguing our case before the jury and that jury is the other 80 percent of the voting population who doesn't suspect foul play.

[AntiFascist]

31. Olbermann also indirectly works for Microsoft.....

and there is a lot of evidence surfacing which implicates the use of Microsoft software. For one thing, I had no idea that the touchscreen systems were Windows-CE based...

[The Backlash Cometh]

28. Keith is right to be skeptical.

Any good journalist should. There was a time when newsreporters would never post a story like this one without two sources. But that was pre-Drudge and the Clinton Witchhunts.

[txindy]

19. It's national exposure

Right now, we need to take what we can get. If more comes from this story, I'm certain Keith will follow-up on it.

The hearings in Congress start in two days. That'll be a lot for the public to digest. This is a tiny, albeit uncertain, start.

[pointsoflight]

20. The Madsen article is largely unsubstantiated, BUT...

That doesn't mean it's wrong, though, or not on the right track.

Madsen himself admits that he's pushing this story out there much faster than he normally would, because it's so time sensitive. He also says that his reason for doing so is that it may spur on some attention and investigation that shakes loose additional information.

[rdmccur]

33. He also implied that

he's trying to elicit more information by the early release of these stories. Not sure what he may mean exactly but I bet he does.
I figure Madsen is a very clever dude and he may be very difficult to second guess

[bleever]

22. And remember the Rathergate frame: taint the truth with bogus

sources of documents.

Baby will be tossed out with the bathwater.

Their best hope right now, based on their previous MO, is to slime the story with a bunch of eye-rolling tangential associations. Make it SEEM like the province of kooks, cranks, and downright crazies. Make the truth unpalatable, especially to the timid MSM, and its consumers who REALLY don't want the news to be complicated.

So...beware of sheep in wolves' clothing.

[KatieB]

23. And when NBC completely rewrites its assessment of W's hispanic support

and No one says a word? But we'll be hard as hell on Madsen. Investigative reporting is just that, but don't lose the thread just because someone sent Madsen down the wrong path for a while. He's definitely on the trail. Unlike our Pres. W, at least he admitted when something ended up being a fraud.

[The Backlash Cometh]

26. So unscrupulous people wrote a rubber check?

Isn't that was unscrupulous people do?

[ddd3]

29. this is not the same story

as the one Madsen has written. They ARE similar but bompletely independent of each other.

excerpt from BradBlog, which may still be overwhelmed with traffic:

"While we've been working on this story for several days in order to get it right, we had hoped to hold it a bit longer to confirm a few more of the details. As well, we had hoped to allow the Judiciary Committee and others time to comment before making this story widely available.

However, as of late Sunday night, Curtis' story has been reported elsewhere on the Internet by Wayne Madsen. His detailed account references an older, very short affidavit that Curtis had made in regards to the information contained in a self-published book on some of these matters.

While Madsen's article was independently researched and reported -- and offers some very good detail in relation to Curtis, YEI, FDOT and Feeney, much of which that we can confirm -- he then ties those stories to a much grander CIA/Bush family conspiracy.

While we have looked somewhat cursorily over the last several weeks into some of the larger matters which Madsen discusses, and has been reporting on for some time, we cannot confirm any of those grander details as playing any part in this particular story. While his claims may be true, The BRAD BLOG has seen no evidence to support them as being related to the Curtis story at this time."