Anyone else feel like you're riding an fraudulent election roller coaster?

[intheflow]

Ei yi yi!

First Kerry concedes. Then Stephen Freeman pops up about statistical abnormalities.

Cal Tech/MIT disproves it. Berkeley confirms it & MIT prof concurs in retrospect.

Fisher goes to FBI saying he has proof of fraud. Cybernet and all that becomes a confusing tangle of innuendo and unverifiable "facts".

Conyers and Co. go to GAO and sends letter to Blackwell about fraud. MSM refuses to cover it and DLC says they're not interested in overturning the election.

Michael Moore tapes this in Ohio on election day: http://www.metroblogging.com/videothevote / . Then he goes on The Tonight Show saying if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

Etcetera, etcetera, etcetera!

I tell you, my delicate nerves can't take much more of this!!!!

[propagandafreegal]

1. It is frustrating cause we know we have been 'done wrong' ro..

but getting concrete evidence is rough.... first everyone loves Bev Harris, then Bev is banned, now we are all up Wayne Madsens tuckus, but his story keeps shifting. Dying dogs etc..

Maybe I should just come back in a week, lol. I tend to agree with what I heard from

Michael Ruppert on Black Ops Radio...

Check out the interview, show #196

http://www.blackopradio.com/inc_archives2004.html

[intheflow]

2. Yeah...

I tried but it's hard for me to get past "Your listening to the voice of conspiracy theory radio."

I'm left, but I'm not quite willing to fully embrace the tinfoil-hatted me yet. Plus--it's an hour and a half long interview! I have dial-up. Maybe you could recap what you heard Ruppert say?

[propagandafreegal]

5. LOL! Basically he says

That Democracy in this country has been dead since the 2000 election and that the only way to fight back would be monetarily... He has an interesting viewpoint on the election that a recount would yield nothing and that Kerry took a payoff and that is why he conceded so quickly...

He also says that all of these machinations are to secure oil sources throughout the world; but that is folly since we don't have much oil left.
He has an excellent website

www.fromthewilderness.com check out his 9/11 timeline:

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/02_11_02_lucy.html

[intheflow]

10. Hmmm...

I agree, the recount is totally bogus. If they want the truth in Ohio they have to do a reVOTE, not a recount. And include plenty of machines at all precincts with paper trails. Hell, Nevada had a paper trail with all thier machines, they could lend them to Ohio since they're not using them this second.

And the oil... I think the oil was just a perk for this administration. I think they went into Iraq for stratgic reasons. That is, they wanted to fight terrorists on even, flat ground with no trees rather than in the mountaious, thickly wooded terrain of Afghanistan. Because we already had a history of bombing and sanctions and looking for WMDs in Iraq, it was easy enough to trump up justification for invading Iraq to get public support.

That--and to create confusion and distractions for the other billion things they have going domestically to fuck over the American people and the Constitution. Including voting fraud.

imho.

[NVMojo]

15. CORRECTION! Nevada did not have paper trails on over

2,000 of their ten year old Sequoias located in Las Vegas, just on the 2,000 they used everywhere else in the state and sprinkled in some precincts in Clark County where Vegas is located. The mob doesn't just operate slot machines. Shit.!


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=91982

[intheflow]

18. You're right.

But all the other counties could send their machines with paper trails. I stand by my thesis if not my facts! :)

[European Socialist]

6. voter fraud

I called up both of my dem. senators today and told office person that the democrats should be screaming bloody murder-and they should take a mass walk to the WH -like they did for Clinton. The repukes wouldn't vote for a paper trails on voting machines-and they need to prove to us there was no fraud. Not much risk-even if one tenth of what is on the internet is true it is a solid case. This is much more important than Clinton's hide.

[intheflow]

14. Hey, michigander3!

Welcome to DU! :hi: I feel honored you posted your first post on my thread.

And I totally agree with you. A bit of jism in private between two consenting adults is impeachable but everything the the chimp does to disable the Constitution and cause pain and suffering to hundreds of thousands of people is untouchable? We live in truly screwed up times.

[newyawker99]

25. Hi michigander3!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[bunny planet]

20. Most def.

[Broken Acorn]

3. I agree

For every truth/evidence we find, there are 5 fakes to hook/line/sinker us.

I think DU is awesome and have some very harsh critics. Only through healthy debate and reasoning will find the truth (even if the MSM doesn't acknowledge it).

Just keep an open mind and a logical brain and you'll be alright.

[GrrrlRomeo]

4. I want off

One too many "Alerts" that weren't worthy of alerts. One too many half-baked theories framed as "hard evidence". All the Democrat boards I go to being flooded with the same "alerts", I suspect by the same people. My hopes were built up and then let down too many times. The drama is dizzying.

I feel like I have voting fraud hangover. I drank too much. I'm cutting myself off.

I can only hope that eventually the focus will turn to legislation and action towards securing future elections. Okay, we know the software is junk, we know it's vulnerable. Whether or not there was fraud, just that fact that it's vulnerable is unacceptable. When we start pressuring the government to get better software, and better machines, call me. When we start demanding that every precinct have equal voting machines to registered voters ratios, I'm there.

[radio4progressives]

17. The Machines SHOULD ALL BE ILLEGAL -That Should be THE GOAL.

In the state of Oregon, voters cast their ballots from the comfort of their home vis a vis the U.S. Mail. I believe that's how it should be done in this country - and that "Election Day" should be a month long - deadline by the first Tuesday in November.

Ballots should have absolutely NO party affiliation indicators marked on the ballot envelope. And that the counting be done by county clerks employees - in the open, and overseen by all interested parties.

No media network may call an election at anytime, until after all of the ballots have been counted - precinct by precinct - county by county - state by state.

It will mean that elections results might not be determined on the first or second week following the first Tuesday. But in federal elections - precincts should fully staffed, by temporary employees, federally paid, like Census workers, and therefore could manage to have ballot counting completed in two to three weeks time if staffed adequately.

The country would have it's results by thanks giving.

Why not?

after all inauguration isn't until two months later.

REFORMS MUST BE MADE and the most important thing that must be done is to ABOLISH THE MACHINES - and ABOLISH THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE system. ABOLISH THE CORRUPT AND PHONY TWO PARTY SYSTEM .

Proportional Representation - IRV all the way.

[intheflow]

21. I like everything but the mailing part.

They could sort you by zip code or post mark and determine what precinct you belong to. It's also too easy to say it got lost in the mail.

I'd like to see paper and ink ballots, dropped by hand into a lockbox. It could happen all month long, and at convenient places like supermarkets.

[New Earth]

7. my head is literally spinning

information overload today. what is real and what is not real? every 'attack' has a counterattack, on this Clint Curtis affadavit....the only thing keeping me remotely close to somewhat considering believing the story is that fact that someone killed his dog. that is awful.

also, there are a few words i'm getting sick of hearing though.

1) red herring. wtf is a red herring?

2) debunk. that's a funky word, :puke:

3) whistleblower - not so bad as the other two, but still getting a little redundant

*edit for #5) wtf is with adding the word -gate at the end of every scandal? I know there was Watergate, but wasn't that the full name of the hotel?
Watergate
Monicagate
Rathergate
Votergate

[intheflow]

8. You forgot Iran-Contragate.

You're right, the "gate" thing is annoying as hell. It's because too many people grew up on TV and have lost the ability to imagine new names, I fear.

Personally, I want to call this Stolen Election Investigation. Maybe not as catchy as "votergate," but a hell of a lot more descriptive!

[New Earth]

9. the whole title of 'votergate' is misleading

with the exception of a few stories floating around, this has nothing to do with voter fraud. it has to do with tabulation fraud.

let's call it, 'tabulationgate'.

add also, suppression.

'suppressiongate'

'notenoughvotingmachinesgate'

[Patsy Stone]

11. We need a scorecard... n/t

[stillcool]

12. Spin-o-rama

You guys have me laughing...which says alot considering. I really like the voter-fraud hangover, and the tabulationgate!! Admittedly a little slow at times the word spin has a whole new meaning for me. Somebody had an analogy to catching gophers...if one more pops out of a hole....

[intheflow]

13. Whack-A-Mole!

Play here! http://www.thepcmanwebsite.com/media/gopher/gopher.shtml

And welcome to DU! :hi:

ON edit...I just noticed the first 3 letters of "gopher" are GOP. Coincidence??? Hmmmmm.....

LOL :spank:

[crispini]

16. Yep.... it's dizzying.

I have to admit, I haven't been following all the ins and out of the Madsen / Curtis thing... it's just all too involved for me.

SIGH....

[intheflow]

19. I know.

Coming on the heels of the Fisher / Cybernet thing. :crazy:

[Eloriel]

22. CalTech

didn't exactly "disprove" it --

* They did not include optical scan machines as computerized voting systems (but they are), they called them paper-based (which they are, but they're also computerized)

* They're heavily pro-voting machine and pro-defense industry -- IOW, not exactly unbiased.

[intheflow]

24. Thanks, eloriel.

I always appreciate your perspecive.

[LittleClarkie]

23. Hell it's been the ELECTION rollercoaster...

why should the aftermath be any different.

YES, I feel like I'm riding one long-ass rollercoaster.

And it's one of those wooden ones, so the ride ain't been none too smooth, neither.