Berkeley study questioned

[danostuporstar]

Stats guys at Drexel and SUNY have released a critique of the Berkeley grad students paper 3 weeks ago. I've got no opinion on the new study, we've moved waaay beyond Berkeley, but just thought I'd share.

http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,65896,00.html

http://election04.ssrc.org/research/critique-of-hmcb.pdf

[Razorback_Democrat]

1. Um, yeah, thanks for sharing

right

[Straight Shooter]

3. My sentiments exactly, R_D

Another post to clutter 2004 ER&D without adding anything of value.

[SmallFatCat]

5. Information itself is of value

Just because you don't like the study doesn't mean it doesn't have any value. I'm beginning to get bored of this board.

Low post count = freeper

Straying off message = freeper

Refusing to accept tenuous evidence as actual concrete proof = freeper

[righteous1]

7. Watch out SFC ,31 posts makes you suspect (sarcasm) n/t

[smartvoter]

15. I went through the same thing.

Just ignore it. It eventually stops, and it's just a handful of paranoid people and/or troublemakers who throw around the label. I don't think they realize how genuinely stupid they look when they do it.

[righteous1]

16. i would add

Posting articles that don't bolster fraud allegations = FREEPER

Not treating posts from 1000+ poster as Gospel = FREEPER

Breaking wind innapropriately = FREEPER

[danostuporstar]

6. why the paronoia?

i am 100% dedicated to exposing the fraud that took place 11/2 and i am excited about recent developments (Conyers and Curtis primarily). but that doesn't mean i'm going to stick my fingers in my ears like chimpy does whenever something i don't wanna hear is uttered.

forgive me to posting something relevant to the "2004 Election Results and Discussion" ... i didn't realize it was the "Fraud Cheerleader Posts Only" board.

[Mojorabbit]

2. Will this hurt?

I passed statistics with a D in college. I suck at math.
Mojorabbit

[righteous1]

4. So are you implying that if someone doesn't post something

that rigidly aligns with your philosophy and preconceived beliefs it's worthless. Hmmm, interesting

[Hamoth]

8. We SHOULD Make this publicly known to our people

so that nobody (COnyers!?) gets blindsided with it.

[reality_bites]

9. The BERKELEY study has been debunked several times already

Some of those at DU with thousands of posts obviously don't spend much time reading other sources. Berkeley DIED almost 3 weeks ago.
More telling, is the fact that they have not attempted to defend their work.

A George Mason University scientist completely debunks Berkely here:

http://elections.gmu.edu/Berkeley.html

Patrick Ruffini makes short work debunking Berkely:

http://www.patrickruffini.com/archives/2004/11/the_last_word_o.php

A non-fraud explanation for the Berkely result is pointed out by a University of Arizona professor here:

http://www.kieranhealy.org/files/misc/election.pdf

Another author adds another variable to the Berkely study - the Jewish vote - which entirely nullifys the Berkely anomoly. See Here:

http://newmarksdoor.typepad.com/mainblog/2004/11/more_on_the_stu.html

This site also makes the case that there are non-fraud related reasons for the results in the Berkely study:

http://rightonthemark.blogspot.com/2004/11/did-democrats-cheat-in-2000.html

[TruthIsAll]

11. It's been debunked? Really? Because others say so? Hmm..

It DIED? News to me.

Tell you what. Let's get hundreds of academics together in conference to study the amomalies in this and prior Elections.

Let's see what they come up with.

Would you go along with that, Mr. Reality?

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[righteous1]

13. This don't like the message hammer the messenger mentality is

small and tends to be an indication of a lazy mind IMHO

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[TruthIsAll]

10. And just which two counties was he referring to?

"He pointed out that only two of the 15 counties using touch-screen machines in Florida exhibited anomalous results".

And which are the two counties?
And how many registered democrats are in those two counties?
And what was the extent of the anomalies?

Here they come.
Don't let them get away with shit.

[pixelthief]

17. Troubling...

I am really troubled by the general air of distrust developing on this site. Don't get me wrong, I'm fully aware of the freeper presence here, but I'm beginning to fear people here are pushing people away from the cause.

Yes, I'm a newbie myself. And no, no one has given ME any shit yet. But it seems to be just a matter of time before I say something someone happens to disagree with and get called a freeper b/c of my low post count.

People, we need the best information possible. If it turns out that a key piece of evidence is shaky, then we need to be fully aware so that we don't embarass ourselves and hurt the cause. Think Rathergate: true story torn to shreds due to one piece of shaky evidence.

I see the freeper presence skyrocketing as well, but we must be careful not to push new people from our cause. With DU getting nods from madsen right and left, it's not suprising that we're increasingly becoming a target. I myself lurked here for a long time before joining in November when I realized we'd been robbed. To me the fact that someone has a low post count and recently joined is not suspect in and of itself.

Let's keep our paranoia down to a healthy amount. We've got to bring people in, not shut them out. That said, I hope extra steps are taken to remove KNOWN freepers.

I love you all. I preach cause I care. Peace.