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Vote4Kerry Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 01:26 PM
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Raw Story covering Curtis vote-rigging allegation.. here's the latest
Raw Story has been investigating Clint Curtis' allegations of vote-rigging. Here is the latest news from them on the matter:

http://rawstory.com/exclusives/byrne/vote_rigging_concept_1207.htm
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 01:36 PM
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1. Great quotes:
"“It's an outrage that independent experts did not examine the code before the election,” he adds. “It must be examined now.”

“You can’t say this has not been used unless and until corporate control is willing to open this code to evaluation,” adds Roxann Jerkot, who taught programming at Georgia’s Lanier Technical Institute, and who has been in private consulting business since 1985. “We don’t have any way to prove or disprove what this man is saying.

Minz, while skeptical, still believes an legal investigation is paramount.

“I think there’s enough there that it really demands an investigation,” she said. “When police investigated a crime, they’re not saying that it absolutely happened, they’re just saying its suspicious and we need to investigate.”

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Peace.

"Did Bush Know?"
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Alizaryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 01:40 PM
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2. Thanks for the link
That covered the situation nicely.
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Vote4Kerry Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 01:42 PM
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3. No problem
I really hopes this leads to a police investigation of the voting machines!
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 01:44 PM
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4. Thank God
someone is finally speaking very directly to the issue!!;)
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Alizaryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 04:10 PM
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9. Yes as I said before..somdays I wish I were a professional thief
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mdb Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 01:47 PM
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5. I don't believe anything coming from Yang (YEI). n/t
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Mike Niendorff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 01:49 PM
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6. This story begs one very basic question:

Mr. Curtis claims to have written and delivered code that could be used to rig an election. That being the case, does he still retain a copy of the original source? Has anyone else seen it? Is it available for review?


MDN
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rawstory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 02:00 PM
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8. It's proprietary.
No, he doesn't have it.
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Mike Niendorff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 04:31 PM
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10. big problem then.

Allegation is not evidence.


MDN
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truehawk Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 04:50 PM
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11. The standard to require an investigation is reasonable suspicion.
Edited on Tue Dec-07-04 04:53 PM by truehawk
Otherwise the police would never be able to investigate anything.

Also there is a principal in Business and Common Law called Public Policy.

Companies are FORCED to divulge "propritary" informatin all the time if there is a compeling public policy reason, such as the government paid for the development of the code and actually should own it, and NOT haveing it open and veriable invites fraud.
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ElementaryPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 01:54 PM
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7. Conyers needs to subpoena Diebold for the code now!!
That should do it!
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bmoney07 Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 04:56 PM
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12. agreed
Ditto
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proudtobeadem Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 04:57 PM
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13. Does Conyers have a copy of the affidavit? Does anyone know??
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 05:00 PM
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14. Source Code
Since the original source code is proprietary, would the company have time to change it or submit a clean version of it to cover up? Please go easy - I am not a computer person. Just asking.
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 05:11 PM
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15. What happens to these machines
after the election?
are they going to be "serviced"?
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 05:26 PM
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16. There are computer
specialist who do forensics-type work to evaluate this type of fraud. Why on earth isn't someone in the democratic party persuing things from this angle?? This is the only way to get some answers.
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 05:39 PM
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17. Kick
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-07-04 06:14 PM
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18. I hope Conyers is going to have pros like this speaking
Edited on Tue Dec-07-04 06:15 PM by anamandujano
There is no reason the repukes wouldn't want to have transparent, legitimate, verifiable elections unless . . . . .

It's going to be really interesting listening to the creative grandstanding.
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