NY Times/ Intl. Herald Tribune Article- Long, detailed and not bad!

[KaryninMiami]

This is not a bad piece actually- very long, lots of info and it seems to be making it's way around many different news sources. No mention of conspiracy or theory anywhere AND it says the F word-- without being patronizing!

"Notice the wording in the 2nd paragraph- "Even before Secretary of State Blackwell, A Republican, issued the final tally on Monday"...

The fact that the writer found it important to remind people that Blackwell is a Repug is I believe, an important (yet subtle) message...

Progress? Let's hope... pray...


http://www.iht.com/articles/2004/12/07/news/ohio.html

Ohio certifies 119,000-vote Bush margin, but fight goes on
By James Dao and Albert Salvato The New York Times

WASHINGTON The Ohio secretary of state has officially certified that President George W. Bush won that crucial swing state by 119,000 votes, but an array of Democrats, third-party candidates and independent groups are continuing to question the results, issuing new demands for a statewide recount and a formal investigation of the vote.

Even before Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell, a Republican, issued the final tally on Monday, the Democratic National Committee said it would appoint an expert panel to review voting problems in Ohio - including long lines, voting machine errors and understaffed polling stations - that they said had disenfranchised voters in predominantly Democratic urban districts.

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"Like Florida in 2000, which gave us a lot of information and evidence that we used later on to improve our election system, Ohio will play that role for us this year," said Donna Brazile, chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee's Voting Rights Institute. "There's no question that there's been a long pattern, a chilling pattern, of voter intimidation, voter suppression across the country over the years."

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And on Wednesday, lawyers from the Alliance for Democracy, a nonprofit group, plan to ask the Ohio Supreme Court to throw out the election results and declare Kerry the winner. Officials with the group, which is filing the request on behalf of 25 Ohio voters, contended they would be able to demonstrate widespread irregularities and fraud in the heavily Republican counties surrounding Cincinnati.
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"We will allege in the complaint that the result should have been Kerry winning," said Clifford Arnebeck, a Columbus, Ohio, lawyer who is co-chairman of the alliance.
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Carlo LoParo, a spokesman for Blackwell, called Ohio's voting system one of the fairest in the United States because each county board of elections includes two Democrats and two Republicans. "People would be alleging a conspiracy of both Republicans and Democrats to commit fraud," LoParo said.

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Still there is clearly a perception among many Democrats and members of third parties around the country that the Ohio election was riddled with technical problems and fraud. The anger with the results has fueled fund-raising drives by groups that contend that widespread irregularities occurred.

[Nothing Without Hope]

1. Thanks! It's a good general update on Ohio.

And Arnebeck and his group are the ones to watch IMO. I don't have much faith in the dazzlingly over-the-top conspiracy theories of Madsen. Neither do Keith Olbermann or Bev Harris.

I really, really hope Arnebeck has a solid case to make.

[Straight Shooter]

2. "a conspiracy of Republicans and Democrats"

Carlo LoParo, a spokesman for Blackwell, called Ohio's voting system one of the fairest in the United States because each county board of elections includes two Democrats and two Republicans. "People would be alleging a conspiracy of both Republicans and Democrats to commit fraud," LoParo said.

Umm, Carlo, that would be Democrats like Zell Miller, ya think?

[Razorback_Democrat]

3. And with what has been brought forward as possible ways to "hack"

an election, it might have been done remotely, or even with a program that just needed to be activated to change the votes.

Blackwell is a loser.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

4. The NY Times actually decided to bring attention to....

a corrupt Rethug is a good sign.

[Nothing Without Hope]

5. Related thread -- article by same authors in NYT

I haven't check to see if the articles are identical, but it's the same authors and same subject. Here's the thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x121361