C-Span 1 on Now! Forum on Ohio Vote! l0:00 a.m. (est) Tune In!

[KoKo]

John Conyers! Cobb, Jackson....more.

[Eurobabe]

1. did you mean 10AM? thanks!!!

[KoKo]

3. Yes....NOW , est.....

[KoKo]

9. Thanks...just edited it...oops!

[ReneB]

2. links to cspan for livestreams:

real media:
http://www.c-span.org/watch/cspan_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS

windows media:
http://www.c-span.org/watch/cspan_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS

[KoKo]

4. Thanks for the Streaming Links!!

[DTinAZ]

28. YMMV, but the RealAudio stream is *much* better n/t

the WindowsMedia stream had a blurry, jumpy picture...couldn't make out the names of the speakers...the RA strea is clear and smooth

[Catherine Vincent]

5. I'm getting Susan Collins.

[jmknapp]

6. Conyers is starting late

Why aren't they ready on time? Rude to CSPAN, IMO.

[jmknapp]

7. Rolling now... n/t

[jsascj]

8. Bobby Scott!

That's my state! I'm so proud!

[KoKo]

10. Will Pitt's Online Blog will have it for those who can't stream or watch:

http://www.truthout.org/cblog.shtml

[DancingBear]

11. Also on Sirius Radio Channel 113 - C-span n/t

[eowyn_of_rohan]

12. Jackson is on...

Paraphrased--
Green Party, remaining light of democracy, others have surrendered too early

[DTinAZ]

14. unfortunate language

...out of state shyster lawyers...

He could have left that word out...it's very pejorative...take a look at the word's etymology:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=shyster&r=67

[mirandapriestly]

15. Did Jackson say shyster? to whom was he referring? n/t

[DTinAZ]

16. yes, he was referring to lawyers in the polls...

...but both sides had lawyers...he was painting with too broad a brush, and I support everything he's saying, but he really should have left that word out, IMO.

And yes, I'm a newbie, so don't bother pointing that out, any of you long-time denizens. ;-)

[eowyn_of_rohan]

17. Silence is betrayal

urging DNC, Kerry campaign,etcetc to join us

Black vote suppressed through the 1960s, still is, with the types of disenfranchisement we have in this election....

Just NAILING them on partisan, privatized voting equipment

Laying out all types of "irregularities"...US democracy "bragging rights" moot when people don't stand up for fair transparent elections here

Must not allow the flame of liberty to go out...not crying for lost election, crying for a fair one

[eowyn_of_rohan]

20. Ralph Neas of American Way

WHitewash as if this was somehow a clean fair election....elation and pride over the citizen's groups who have been fighting for and working on this...citizens movement has had to replace a failed government. We should be applauded for our activism :)

[eowyn_of_rohan]

24. Neas, cont.

BLackwell earns Katherine Harris award for 2004

Not spirit of democracy sprit of suppression

PROSECUTION OF BLACKWELL SHOULD BE CONSIDERED

[carolinalady]

13. You can be sure Blackwell is listening and preparing carefully

worded responses for his subpoena.

[carolinalady]

21. And he just earned the Katherine Harris award for 2004!

edit: per Ralph Neas

[carolinalady]

18. committee will go to OH for hearings

[SueZhope]

19. talked about the white wash

by politicians
GREAT to here him ...who is this again????
got it ....they just showed that info

[geomon666]

22. Haha

Ralph Neas just bitch slapped Blackwell. Saying he won the Katherine Harris Award for 2004. :D

[Stephanie]

23. "Prosecution is something that should be considered"

Yeah!

[Straight Shooter]

25. Ralph Neas, attorney for one group, calls for prosecution of Blackwell

Gives him the Katherine Harris of 2004 award. Applause to that line!

[geomon666]

26. What the hell.

Why am I listening to a commercial for the Green Party?

[ohio_liberal]

27. Oy

Now is not the time for this. :(

[SueZhope]

29. maybe they are

YET
they are still speaking out were others are not
The message is bigger then that part of it

[Cocoa]

30. the Green guy "has issues"

they're valid issues, but they detract from the hearing. The obvious question is, does the Green party truly care about the specific voting irregularities, or are they just leveraging this to air their broader issues about the voting system?

[carolinalady]

32. well one good thing --allowing him to vent his "issues" prevents

the Repukes from making this a Dem thing.

[goclark]

60. Absolutely he should be heard

I thought he did a fantastic job.

He was forceful and got right to the issue.

The Green parfty has come to help us ,even when the Democratic party did not openly come out to help us.

[Straight Shooter]

31. Cliff Arnebeck -- RIGGING of the election being addressed

:thumbsup:

"The fraud in this election must be fixed before this election can be finalized."

Emphasis on FRAUD word!

[SueZhope]

33. Cliff Arnebeck an american hero!!! n/t

[jsascj]

34. Arnebeck! great

Talking about NOW...not the future. Mentioned the Ukraine!

He's GREAT! A FANTASTIC spokeman. He's talking real, concrete examples. No vague insinuations.

[Stand and Fight]

35. Cliff Arnebeck fucking rocks!!!

He is the first to actually say that we need to do something about this election before it is certified. None of this talking just about the future shit like the others have done -- I love this guy!!

[geomon666]

36. He's the first person...

I've heard to say the word fraud on national television. It's about damn time.

[understandinglife]

41. Roger that!! We have the combination, finally, of the...

..."NOW" word, with this election and it's remedy.

Get that done. Then we can have a meaningful discussion about reform and the future.

Don't get it done and we've just written a Constitutional crisis, unresolved, as the final chapter in the american franchise of democracy.

Peace.

"Did Bush Know?"

[eowyn_of_rohan]

37. Cliff Arnebeck

The fraud in this election in Ohio MUST BE FIXED before this election is finalized, people cannot accept results of a fraudulent election...

When you see these kinds of events you know someone intended them...

lesson of FLorida was election was certified before they counted the votes...news media insisted must be accurate vote count. Gore got more votes than bush

NEVER inaugurate candidate til sure they got enough votes.

[Straight Shooter]

38. Arnebeck: "How can we got to Iraq and demand an honest election

when we have a corrupt election in the United States?"

Paraphrased.

Damn, this man does not pull punches!

Talking about 2000, GORE WON.

Please write the man and thank him: [e-mail]

[jsascj]

39. I know his (Arenbeck) email is on here somewhere.

Does anyone remember where?

I gotta email him and thank him.

[King Coal]

40. THIS IS HUGE!

[Straight Shooter]

42. Steve Rosenfeld, AAR, "Old school thuggery"

Referencing shorting minority precincts of machines. Not necessarily software conspiracy.

Said it again, "old school thuggery, new school manipulation."

[Pithy Cherub]

43. Loving every minute of this!

The MSM is either going to play dead to day or sit up and take notice!

Representative Conyers, Committee & Panelists :yourock:

[tavalon]

113. MSM will do the possum......

if they can. We need to make enough ruckus that they can't.

[carolinalady]

44. Question--Is Diebold from OH? n/t

[ohio_liberal]

47. Yes n/t

[jsascj]

49. I thought so but I do get confused

Wasn't the CEO the one that said that he would deliver Ohio to Bush?

Or was that another one?

[ohio_liberal]

50. Yes, it was the Diebold guy who said that

I believe they're based in the Canton area.

[jsascj]

45. Are Shrubya and his evil minions

watching this?

You are NOT going to just sachet into the WH again

[DemonFighterLives]

55. I'm sure dubbie and the gang will try to laugh this off

I don't know what it will take to wake the media, but it sure feels good to see these patriotic Americans standing up for all of us.
They are raising enough questions to keep many investigators busy.

[geomon666]

46. Fitrakis

On Fire!

[sabra]

51. Rocks!!! n/t

[SueZhope]

48. Bob Fitrakis of

http://www.freepress.org/index2.php

he has really been dedicated to bringing the truth!!!
thank you Bob

[ReneB]

52. great speech

[Straight Shooter]

53. Fritakis, talking about woman who had chemo, could not vote

He swore an oath at that time he would pursue this matter because of watching that.

"A government of the people, for the people, by the people shall not perish from this earth," paraphrasing it to include democracy.

This man is eloquent and stirring.

[propagandafreegal]

54. This is REALLY inspiring! nm

[autorank]

56. I LOVE this country. We still have the people and channels

to fight these bastards. I'm so proud of Rep. Conyers, the panel, and everyone who is testifying.

Hey, Rep. Conyers :yourock:

CORPORATE AMERICA controls the media and we get MANUFACTURED NEWS.
CORPORATE AMERICA now controls the voting machines and we get MANUFACTURED ELECTIONS.

[jdog]

57. I LOVED THESE SPEAKERS!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t

[Straight Shooter]

58. Jon Greenbaum laying out a carefully constructed foundation

Explaining the problems, what caused them, the results of those problems. "Cracks in our (political) infrastructure."

20,000 phone calls from Ohio of voting complaints to their group, Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights.

He's good. "Our freedoms and liberty ultimately must rely on a system of fairness and accountability ... Americans must be convinced of the veracity of ... results. Our voice must be heard when our ballot is cast."

[carolinalady]

59. I just wish Rep. Conyers would put the gavel down. n/t

[SueZhope]

61. C-SPAN

helping to save democracy !!!
the MSM can not ignore this

[SueZhope]

62. GO SUSAN GO

she is GREAT also.
Power in her voice!!!

[DemonFighterLives]

63. Susan Truitt

Citizens Alliance for Secure Elections Ohio thanked Conyers and said we need you in Ohio. "Not America we were promised"

[Straight Shooter]

64. Susan Truitt, Citizens Alliance for Secure Elections

"This election was privatized, partisan people are running the election. Every vote will be counted. This is not over!"

Explaining horrid circumstances of voting in Ohio. Voter suppression. "Intentionally suppressed in their vote."

Explaining what she saw, man with IV in his arm, coming to vote, refused an absentee ballot while he was in the hospital. Another man fired because he waited in line to vote.

[Stand and Fight]

66. Another excellent attorney!!!

Susan Truitt!! Another person for an inspiring attorney to look up to!

[geomon666]

65. Thank you Susan Truitt

Very, very good speech. Sad to hear the election horror stories.

[Gregorian]

67. SANITY!

"Contest the election." Those words brought me more hope than anything I've heard in a long time.

It's as though America is still alive. Thank you for all who helped this happen.

[geomon666]

68. William Moss

Laying out his lawsuit against Blackwell. Thank you sir.

[SueZhope]

69. AMEN

William Moss

[Straight Shooter]

70. Rev. William Moss from Columbus, Ohio

"based on nefarious activity on part of public officials, that day, too, in Ohio (Nov 2) will live in infamy."

Explaining his experience of voting. He's been elected 5 times to Columbus Board of Education. Wife is a judge.

Unprecedented long lines, decided to come back later at 3:00, lines were even longer than in the morning. Determined to vote. He and wife stood in line from 3 to 6:30. Never experienced or witnessed such as on Nov. 2 in attempt to vote. He and wife decided to bring a lawsuit, to be lead plaintiffs in a lawsuit (applause now). Assured by Fritakis it will be filed tomorrow. Believes that in the words of Lincoln, important principles must be inflexible. Moral obligation, providential duty. The world views with contempt and disgust the last two presidential elections in United States. World cannot stand against our military might. We are bound in duty, in conscience and in justice to take a stand against what shatters our credibility in the world community.

We will seek simple justice for the nation. Will petition against Blackwell (conflict of ethics) who intimidated, disenfranchised, suppressed the vote.

What a great witness.

[Stand and Fight]

71. He stands as a testament to your name!

William Moss is a straight shooter and didn't bother to pander to diplomancy in his denunciation of this most henious election. I hope that people do begin to march and DEMAND that this election in Ohio is thrown out. We need a RE-VOTE.

[Gregorian]

72. Conyers and Jackson screenshot.

Taken in my livingroom. Hopefully, this will be history.

[Stephanie]

73. Blackwell has been actively engaged in thwarting the recount law

Law states candidates shall file recount request within 5 days. Blackwell delayed certifcation for 34 days. Blackwell intentionally allowed no time for recount to occur before Electoral College.

[Stephanie]

74. In the name of democracy, in the name of the right to vote

Let the recount proceed prior to Electoral College vote.

<this is Cobb attorney - didn't get name>

[DemonFighterLives]

88. Cobb and Badnarik lawyer

Quoted Gandi first they ? then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. They are not laughing anymore, they are fighting and we will win.
Dam I did almost as good a d*bya did Won't get fooled again.

[CornField]

76. He must be stopped.

I love his last lines -- the Ghandi quote. And, he is right. They are no longer ignoring us or laughing at us... they are fighting us. We will win.

[Gregorian]

75. OOOH, a recount supercedes the meeting of the electors.

Wow, this I didn't know.
As long as there is a recount, the electors cannot meet. This is according to John Bonifaz.

[Stephanie]

78. Wow! Gandhi quote, first they ignore you...

Says "they are fighting us now, and we're going to win."

[crispini]

82. SENDING TWO SETS OF ELECTORS.

Yeah BABY....


SMOKIN!

[berni_mccoy]

85. Bonifaz WAS AWESOME

Quoting Ghandi at the end:

"Ghandi is known for saying: 'First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.' Well, we are at they point where they are no longer ignoring us, they are no longer laughing at us, THEY are fighting us, and WE WILL WIN!"

[Twist_U_Up]

77. THEN WE WIN

[Straight Shooter]

79. Current speaker, co-counsel for Greens and Libs (John Bonifaz)

Explaining obstacles and stonewalling by Ohio (Blackwell).

Lawsuit filed against them seeking to stop recount, claiming too expensive.

"Blackwell actively engaged in thwarting recount. ... Blackwell intentionally allowed no time for recount ..."

Mentioning again Blackwell's role in bush/cheney campaign. "He should be stopped." (applause)

"We have a message for Blackwell, in the name of democracy, the right to vote, the Constitution, let the recount proceed to its completion prior to the casting of Ohio's electoral college votes. ... In a democracy, votes must count. We will have a recount in Ohio."

Talking about electors from Ohio, one slate from Blackwell, one slate from the will of the people.

Oh, the great quote from Gandhi. Then he says, "They're no longer ignoring us, no longer laughing at us, they're fighting us, and we're going to win." Major applause. Excellent.

[geomon666]

80. Bonifaz with a huge applause.

Finished with the Ghandi quote. Bless you man.

[Mandate My Ass]

81. Fitrakis was on fire

Get 'em!

[neversaynever]

83. Nuthin like a black man with a raised gavel! n/t

[jsascj]

84. Bonifaz...FANTASTIC!

Is this all too good to be true? '

Is something REALLY going to happen? REALLY?

[geomon666]

86. William Rivers Pitt on Bonifaz

"If I were Blackwell, and I saw Bonifaz coming, I'd run like hell."

Conyers Hearings on Ohio Vote Fraud Coverage

[proud patriot]

106. I see Will on c-span

Hi Will I see you you typing :hi:

Thanks for being there

[Straight Shooter]

87. Eleanor Smeal, Feminist Majority

Cuyahoga County, registrations dropped in 2004 compared to 2000, despite extensive drive.

(Paraphrasing her)

Purging of voter registration. Wants analysis of purging. No purging in Franklin County.

Wants analysis of election equipment. Variance in electronic, optical scan, punch card equipment.

Out of date voting registration material. Were students counted who filled out those materials?

Addressing long lines. Student areas had very, very long lines. 6 to 7 hours. Longest 10 hours.

Suppressing conducted through wrong info, giving hard time to volunteers. Very rainy day, standing in the rain for 4 hours.
____________________

She basically reiterated other witnesses. Good to hear someone speaking for the students.

[jsascj]

89. Reps from Zogby there!

Too cool!

[crispini]

90. Walcott from Zogby

"it has become increasingly clear that this election has produced unprecendent levels of suspicion about its outcome."

[crispini]

93. Oh, good stuff.

“We’re rec’d thousands of letters and phone calls... center on early exit polling results that were uncharacteristically inaccurate.”

Recommendation to "restore dignity and public confidence" -- blue ribbon bipartisan panel should investigate, findings be made available as "expeditiosly as possible."

[jsascj]

91. I wish they had more time

Conyers has to keep cutting people short.

[Stephanie]

95. Cut her off just as she said Diebold machines were particularly...

Dang! What was she going to say?

[SueZhope]

92. zogby speaker

You tell them Shawnta!!!
they want answers....

[Straight Shooter]

94. Shawnta Walcott from Zogby

Half of the viewers are now in love :) She is gorgeous.

Referring to Armageddon Election.

Previous spectators now inspired to be part of the process. Questioning is our process free and fair, as Constitution guarantees.

Says Zogby received thousands of letters and phone calls, referring to exit polls, questionable practices at polling stations, and in Ohio the Diebold machines were particularly disturbing.

Damn, "intention not to contest the election results."

Recommending a blue ribbon panel to investigate the election.

Mentions platitude, "much needed healing" in America.

[crispini]

96. STEVE FREEMAN!

"All I did was document the obvious...... It was not possible this discrepancy could be the result of chance or random error."

Been hampered by lack of exit poll releases.

Exit polls have been corrected based on the assumption that the count was correct. (laughter)

"There was something amiss and it ought to be answered."

[btyarbro]

97. I smell smoke in Blackwell's office

This is GREAT!!!

Not to be missed or forgotten.
The evidence is there, the witnesses are there, the affidavits are submitted. . .

Kick the coverage until December 13th.

[crispini]

98. Yep. HOTTTTT STUFF!

Woooooooo!

[Stephanie]

100. We need to subpoena Blackwell's emails

Find out how far up this goes.

[EFerrari]

99. Right, this story can't go away

And Blackwell will never be governor of Ohio.

[crispini]

101. Wexler: IT'S THE MACHINES, STUPID.

Wooooooooooooooooo!

[Straight Shooter]

102. The college student was great

Clearly outlined the horrendous circumstances of voting experienced by his colleagues.

Long lines, rain, then hot indoors. Headaches, claustrophobia, anger, election results (supposedly bush win) trickling in, people stayed in line, determined to vote despite discouraging reports from media.

He did very, very well.

[SueZhope]

103. he also mentioned

how the media failed did you catch that?

[jsascj]

104. I agree. Very direct and well spoken.

Hope mine turn out as well :thumbsup:

[DemonFighterLives]

108. Have to agree

The student was great. Voting should not be hard work.

[proud patriot]

109. Yes he did

:thumbsup:

[proud patriot]

114. Jesse Jackson Jr. speaking

wow he's great :thumbsup:

I'm so proud we got this on the air and
a big huge Thank You to Conyers for he's
leadership bringing this all together .

"never doubt that a small group of deticated
people can change the world "

[pbartch]

105. robert fitrakis -- free press editor

GOOD JOB.............

[KoKo]

107. Wexler (FLA) up talking about E-Voting problems in FLA...citing problems

and bringing up the word "floating votes." Asking panel if anyone has info on e-voting. Bob Fritakis answering the problems in Ohio...overwhelming spoiled ballots in Ohio..and anymolies in the punch cards. I guess no one had info on the E-Votes in the panel or they wanted emphasize the "punch card system." :shrug: hope this comes up again on the panel..

[carolinalady]

123. they said they could not speak to e-voting since the election

was just certified and have not had the time to examine.

[geomon666]

110. Thank You Jesse Jackson Jr.

We want the right to vote!

[jsascj]

111. Don't cha just wonder

What Shrubya is thinking now? Did he REALLY think he was going to get away with it?

Probably sent Rove out to the woodshed to find a "new, improved" Bin Laden tape.

[SueZhope]

116. They are so arrogant they

they do not worry about ever being busted ...
they have all the tricks ready

[jsascj]

120. Wonder what their next trick will be?

You know they are busily working at something RIGHT now!

[keithjx]

112. Fitrakis!

Did you hear him say that bit about 90K votes not being processed correctly in the HIspanic area solely b/c they were put in the scanner upside-down or backwards??? HOLY CRAP!!!

[budkin]

115. Amen JJ Jr!!!

Totally kicking ass!

[Straight Shooter]

117. Jesse Jackson, Jr. ROCKS!

If we can amend Constitution for right to display 10 Commandments, we can amend to assure right of Americans to vote.

Talking about next election will also have horrors unless this fixed. This nation's voting is separate but unequal.

How can we vote for right to vote in Afghanistan and Iraq, when Americans don't have that explicit right to vote in our Constitution, that it's only "construed"?

Talking about overturning results in Ohio, what is or is not allowed. Is there a federal remedy to the anomolies in Ohio?
_________________________

Definitely his father's son.

[Pepper32]

121. Yes he does... n/t

[BrainRants]

122. Dad should be proud!

Jr is the man!

[Pepper32]

118. I feel VERY represented today!

They are kicking some ass!! :D

[GreenPartyVoter]

119. Such a nice feeling it is!

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[Pepper32]

125. Yesss Indeed

:D

[Straight Shooter]

124. Mr. Hillary Shelton, Washington Director, NAACP

Talking too fast for me to capture it.

Mentions IRS threatening NAACP tax-exempt status.

Talking about law enforcement to keep people from voting because of child support payment offenses, parking tickets outstanding, etc.

Problems with "insidious trickery"

[Pirate Smile]

126. Why is this being rushed so much? Are they stopping because of C-span

or because people want to get out of town?

What is the deal?

[CornField]

127. AMEN JESSE SR!

I don't want just vent and not have Congress act.

Me either, Jesse!

[SueZhope]

128. JESSE JESSE

Congress must act now!!!!!
the election is not over!!!

[proud patriot]

129. please continue in Thread 2 here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x127992