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Wed Dec-08-04 12:56 PM
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Regular citizen, Julia Davis to the panel... If you are going to aks us to pay our taxes, send our children to war, and yet not allow us to be represented by our vote, Why should we. Paraphrased, but pretty much the gist of it. The room was DEAD quiet. bhn GO JULIA!
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Wed Dec-08-04 12:57 PM
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1. Not eloquent but very powerful and passionate! |
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Good for her; she is 'us'.
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Wed Dec-08-04 01:01 PM
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5. I thought we she was wonderfully eloquent |
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As she said so well, some things are simple. She conveyed her message beautifully.
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Wed Dec-08-04 06:23 PM
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48. Like heck she wasn't eloquent |
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Eloquence isn't about using fancy words. It's about getting your point across.
She was great.
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Wed Dec-08-04 06:31 PM
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50. She spoke from her heart... |
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there is nothing more eloquent in this world than a person expressing the deepest part of their soul. Some sing it, some paint or write it. She just stood there and SAID it. How do we find her anyway? We need to blanket her doorstep with flower deliveries and tea bags... bhn
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Wed Dec-08-04 08:24 PM
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51. She started off rocky, |
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but she was plenty eloquent once she got rolling.
She rocked.
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Wed Dec-08-04 12:58 PM
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Wed Dec-08-04 12:59 PM
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3. Woot! We have the right to change our gov't if the one we have now isn't |
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working. I am pretty sure I read that someplace in civics class! *lol* ------------------------------------- Fight the fraud; Fix the system! http://timeforachange.bluelemur.com/
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Wed Dec-08-04 12:59 PM
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she's the kind of person we need speaking for the Democratic party. Can we get the party leaders to pay attention?
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Wed Dec-08-04 01:02 PM
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8. SO simple, so truthful |
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She simply stated the TRUTH! She IS us. They were so quiet while she spoke because they knew they had come face to face with AMERICA. The REAL America. She is a hero! BHN
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Wed Dec-08-04 01:05 PM
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11. We need to make an ad with that statement |
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just as it is, and show it during the Superbowl or some such high profile program. It's crucial to get that message across to the American people.
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Wed Dec-08-04 01:01 PM
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6. I revise my statements where I say Americans are IDIOTS |
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Wed Dec-08-04 01:02 PM
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7. I almost cried when she started to tear up about her children fighting |
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*'s wars, while we are not allowed our constitutional right to vote. Julia, you're a true patriot! :loveya:
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Wed Dec-08-04 01:03 PM
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9. me too, she spoke to my exact sentiments |
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I am still choked up. Why the HELL should we pay taxes, and participate in the government if it isn't holding up their part of the bargain?
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Wed Dec-08-04 01:07 PM
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13. I've got a child in jeopardy. I totally understand this. |
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Oh, the unbelievable injustice. :mad:
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Wed Dec-08-04 01:14 PM
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18. Wanna hear my secret fantasy? |
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LEGIONS of moms pack up and mobilize the ARMY of MOTHER LOVE. We drive en masse to the military bases in this country, we fly all over the world to where our children are and we simply tell the people holding them hostage as cannon fodder, "We have come to take our children home." I don't think there is an army on this earth that could stop us. There is no power on earth like that of a mother's love for her child. God help anyone who tries to stand between us and our children. bhn
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Wed Dec-08-04 01:18 PM
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21. And I think if we joined with the 9/11 victims' families groups |
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we'd be an unstoppable force. They, above all others, understand our fear.
Somehow, someway I believe this fantasy is going to come true.
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Wed Dec-08-04 01:22 PM
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23. People are SICK and TIRED of what is happening. |
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I agree, something is in the wind that makes it possible. I think the Moms of the world would join us in solidarity too. I think it is time for the WOMEN to unite and tell these dick-waving war mongers to go home and empty the trash and clean out the garage. We'll take it from here. bhn
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Wed Dec-08-04 01:25 PM
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I bet if you raised her skirts Condi would be sporting one too, albeit artificial. :D
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Wed Dec-08-04 01:33 PM
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28. EWWW! That is a scary image! |
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But now that you mention it, she DOES look like female impersonator. I know, one of my best friends is one. I think I will ask him what he thinks as an authority on the subject. I think you are absolutely right! Is Condi a man in drag? I think it may be so...she sure war mongers like one. bhn
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Wed Dec-08-04 03:09 PM
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They have been fighting the same fight for more than three years now.
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Wed Dec-08-04 05:01 PM
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I've contributed to Peaceful Tomorrows. I bet if we approached them, they'd be very receptive.
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Wed Dec-08-04 06:15 PM
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46. I've been learning the truth about 911 only since the election |
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Edited on Wed Dec-08-04 06:15 PM by BlueDog2u
And I now see how closely tied the two issues actually are. It may be difficult for some people to "go there" -- but the evidence that the Bush administration had complete prior knowledge of the 911 attacks, in my opinion, is now conclusive. Moreover, the timing appears to have been partly orchestrated to prevent the MSM's publication of its report on the 2000 election, which was scheduled....are you sitting down? For September 12. It has never been released. I guess the MSM just decided that that after 911, it was better that the American people not know the truth about who actually won the 2000 election.
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Wed Dec-08-04 03:06 PM
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33. I love this! A true patriot! Shame on the fascist leaders in America! |
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Wed Dec-08-04 05:11 PM
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42. Bless her heart and may the Lord bless her as well!! n/t |
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Wed Dec-08-04 01:04 PM
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I am choked up right now just from reading that! it does me so good to see people caring AND the fact that she brings up some interesting things in a no-nonsense way. No taxation without representation... hmm.. sounds familiar...
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Wed Dec-08-04 01:06 PM
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12. THAT is the issue! She NAILED it! |
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We are taxed, asked to sacrifice our children and very way of life- she asked quite simply, why should we?
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Wed Dec-08-04 01:11 PM
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What we need is a good old fashioned TEA PARTY!!!!
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Wed Dec-08-04 01:19 PM
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22. And I choose Julia to host it! |
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Can't you just imagine that? I'd follow her ANYWHERE. Especially to THAT tea party. bhn
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Wed Dec-08-04 01:24 PM
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hahah. the anniversary of the tea party (also my birthday) is next week: December 16th!
Sounds like fun. Seriously. let's go dump as much tea as we can (hell, I have a lot in my cabinets) into the Reflecting Pool.
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Wed Dec-08-04 03:01 PM
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Port Townsend WA recently had a tea party. They dressed in period garb and armed with black boxes they demanded a fair and transparent voting system. I live just a few hours south of there,Portland OR, but didn't hear about it until the next day--oh how I would have attended. Perhaps all port cities should coordinate tea parties...maybe now we are closer to being covered by MSM.
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Wed Dec-08-04 01:11 PM
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15. Thank you for describing Julia! KPFA cut off the public... |
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I 'm grateful to KPFA-Pacifica radio for broadcasting the hearing, but disappointed that they cut it off after the official speakers--because it is OFTEN the people, the grass roots, the passionate citizens, who have the best things to say.
I'm sorry I missed Julia Davis. I'd appreciate more detail. I'm glad she had an affect (it's also often harder for members of the public to get up and speak). THANK YOU, JULIA!
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Wed Dec-08-04 01:24 PM
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26. Hey, at least your pacifica covered it! |
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Here in Los Angeles, our local pacifica was complicent with the corporate media- Absolutely NOTHING. Not a blip. bhn
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Wed Dec-08-04 01:11 PM
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and the only one John Conyers did not try to wisk away.
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Wed Dec-08-04 01:17 PM
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Her truth rendered him still. She will go down in history. bhn
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Wed Dec-08-04 01:12 PM
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17. from the heart, a true American |
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Wed Dec-08-04 01:17 PM
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20. But even if the election weren't stolen... |
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When half the popultion tells the other half that it can go screw itself, then elections are worthless and the alienated half needs to find other options.
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Wed Dec-08-04 01:23 PM
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While watching her, I couldn't help thinking of Lila Lipscomb (F9/11).
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Wed Dec-08-04 02:51 PM
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29. Thanks for posting this. What a wonderful woman! |
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Wed Dec-08-04 03:03 PM
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...simple and direct. And she made me cry.
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Wed Dec-08-04 03:03 PM
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I'm afraid that the absent party at the "hearing" would just as soon she didn't vote
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Wed Dec-08-04 03:15 PM
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35. and the absent party is like the big jabba the hutt, eating our |
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young people alive...for profit and gain.
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Wed Dec-08-04 03:22 PM
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36. The Answer: Withold Your Taxes, Support Our Military Deserters |
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The questions posed by Julia Davis, and commented upon within this thread, lead us to a very logical answers:
Since we have "taxation with representation", as did the colonists, we should consider dramatic yet effective action, as did the colonists. In their time, this resulted in the Boston Tea Party. In our era, this can take the form of not filing your IRS tax return until we know who is our rightful President.
In a similar vein, the Bushitler administration has hijacked our military, kidnapped our young children, and sent them to fight and die in Iraq. We must free these young people from the hostage takers by encouraging them to "break out of the military prison", and support them in every way possible.
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Wed Dec-08-04 03:30 PM
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37. how many people can we get on board with this idea? |
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If we do it en masse, then it might make a difference, but as a person at a time, they could put us up for a very negative example. I am sort of afraid of this kind of action, but I would love to do it.
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Wed Dec-08-04 06:09 PM
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Certainly by April I'll be able to handle time in jail if push comes to shove. We need to start deciding how we're going to deal with this complete subversion of our ideas.
Like I said -- even if this election weren't stolen this is not acceptable. Now they're getting ready to obliterate Social Security.
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Wed Dec-08-04 04:10 PM
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38. I just heard on air america her speak the words |
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"you expect my son to die for this country and my daughters to wave the flag?" she said this with a choke in her voice, and I couldn't help but cry. I have 2 sons and a daughter - my oldest son will be 18 in May, my other son is 15 and daughter is 11. I will NOT ever sacrifice my children for this fascist country!
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Wed Dec-08-04 04:14 PM
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My Son is 17. I am terrified.
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Wed Dec-08-04 04:46 PM
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My daughter and I have discussed this at length since they have now announced their intention to include women in their stinking draft. She is 17 too, she will be 18 in a few days. She has stated that she will either leave the country and seek immigration in an anti-bush country or go to prison. she is very clear on the fact that she will NOT show up if she is called. As the young man said, "They can't put us all in prison." I agree and I think we are going to see more and more young people refusing to go. YES! Welcome to DU! bhn
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Wed Dec-08-04 05:11 PM
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43. I feel the same way about taxes |
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they are not really legally required anyway. So, while we still pay income tax, we can just refuse. When they change to a sales tax we won't have be able to fight back with money. I read that if just 5% of the population decided to strike and not pay income tax it would bring the machine to a grinding halt. And as the young man said, they can't put us all in prison. It's expensive. And if we did it en masse, they'd have a real problem.
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Wed Dec-08-04 05:57 PM
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44. Wow! "NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION" |
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was her message?
Seems like I recall that catchy phrase from somewhere in history...then there was a tea party held in a harbor, a "Don't tread on me" flag, a certain King George, several grassroots meetings and letters...
History should say, "Stop me if you've heard this one before". It does tend to repeat itself.
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Wed Dec-08-04 06:27 PM
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49. Yup- that was the bottom line of her statement. |
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WHY should we continue to slave away at our stupid jobs, pay taxes and send our children to die in manufatured wars IF we have no vote? It was BEAUTIFUL, simple and true, like a perfect rose. Julia is a rose. A perfect American Beauty rose. bhn
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