Just watched the Conyers hearings feeling great about Kerry.

[texpatriot2004]

I watched the hearing. I feel great that Kerry is waiting for the right time to become public. Kerry would have distracted people from the purpose of the hearing. I am confident that when Kerry thinks it is time to be publicly involved then he will be. I am grateful that he is being very smart about this issue. I am also grateful that he doesn't feel the need to please people on this issue at the expense of a victory. I feel great about Kerry.

[coloradodem2005]

1. I agree with you.

n/t

[jamboi]

66. I agree. n/t

[Klimmer]

76. And yet another who agrees . . .

I'm very excited about the fraud that is being exposed and have been following Wayne Madsen's work very closely. I'm envisioning the Bush crime family behind bars, and a real American hero as our President, Senator John Kerry.

He is very involved, despite what many might think. You have to know who he really is. He is inspiring. You have to read "Tour of Duty." You have to watch the movie "Going Up River: The Long War of John Kerry." This war started way back in Vietnam, and then as a Vietnam anti-war activist. It continued, as a senator exposing Iran-Contra and bringing down BCCI. This war goes on and he has been fighting the whole time, he does not quit. He fights very smart. He knows what he is doing. He has intelligence, patience, determination, and tenacity.

Read the article "Follow the Money: How John Kerry busted the terrorists' favorite bank" . . .

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0409.sirota.html

I can't remember where I read the article and it was just in the last few days, but it was an on-line newspaper article about a meeting John Kerry had behind doors, no media allowed, with an audience of close supporters and he called them friends and family. He said something like, "I wish we could all go to Ohio together," or something to that effect. Did anyone else read this article?

He's got our backs, we better darn make sure we have his. Hang on tight and believe.

[Straight Shooter]

2. I agree. Kerry's presence would have turned it into a circus.

Good message, texpatriot2004.

:thumbsup:

[Cobalt Violet]

3. Is the forum over already?

I got up and made coffee and oatmeal.
And then Susan Collins was on again

[americanwhothinks]

5. yeah...how long was it? what happened? i missed the whole thing??? n/t

[Cobalt Violet]

34. It went from 10am- 1pm

Maybe they will repeat it or archive it. I dozed off and on through it myself. I didn't get to sleep until after 4:00 am so it was hard for me to stay awake. But I caught about the 1st 1 1/2 to 2 hrs.

[americanwhothinks]

61. thanks, cobalt.... it makes me happy when people reply to my little league

exclamations...seems like a kind of courtesy that's not extended all that often anymore...

you from MN? (my fantasy of MN is that it is ALL ABOUT courtesy-- and it went blue-- my prediction all along!!)

[Cobalt Violet]

65. No I'm from Massachusetts.

You know the place with values so out of touch with America.

[americanwhothinks]

90. or at least that's what Rove wants us to think... i mean...perhaps

america is better than we think it is, you know? no doubt there are some really unfriendly characters out there, but maybe (if our actual votes were actually counted) we'd be thrilled to see that the nice guys outnumber the intolerant brutes?! (like to think so....!)

[The Backlash Cometh]

4. kick

I want to believe your interpretation. I hope you're right.

[impeachthescoundrel]

6. I agree totally

I am glad there are others who do not equate silence with disinterest. John Kerry is showing what he is really made of now and I do not subscribe to the theory that he just gave up and quit.

I can hardly wait for all this information to be flung back in their faces. Then we can say GET OVER IT> :toast:

[Darknyte7]

7. You're right...

Kerry's presence would have been a huge distraction. Remember: This isn't about Bush & Kerry. This is about democracy! ;-)

[HEAVYHEART]

8. I go back and forth on my feelings..

Should Kerry go public now, should he not.. not yet anyway. I tend to be leaning toward the latter as of late.

[electropop]

24. Are there thjings he could do 'under the radar'?

I could imagine him secretly funding folks like Arnebeck, but is there more he could do? Quietly snag a few voting machines, quietly seek out officials willing to squeal?

[myschkin]

31. Arnebeck is also from Massachusetts

[AmerDem]

9. I'm not feeling great about Kerry

Where the hell has he been during all of this? Why did he bow out so early? Why was he so reluctant to get involved in the beginning until the actions of the Greens and Libs got the ball rolling? I'm through with Kerry's straddling the line tactics and hate the fact he backed away from his endless promises of not letting the election go unchallenged. He is weak with a capital W.

[Dark Secret]

79. I agree. I'm Still Hoping but Kerry Seems Mostly MIA n/t

[SueZhope]

10. excellent post

I will have faith, until there is reason not to.

[tavalon]

88. And when would that be?

After January 20th?

[GreenPartyVoter]

11. I won't feel great until he unconcedes.

-------------------------------------
Fight the fraud; Fix the system!
http://timeforachange.bluelemur.com/

[libertypirate]

12. Agree totally

Only people that want Kerry to stand up are Rove, shrub, and heart problem.

Look at the mans history before you judge his actions today.

[sled]

13. Link to C-Span Vote Hearings

Sorry if someone already posted this, but...

rtsp://cspanrm.fplive.net/cspan/project/c04/c04120804_conyers.rm

[Wordie]

19. Thank you. Are there any text-based links?

My computer won't do the video, at least I don't think so. And, btw, what is "rtsp"? Do you know?

[mom cat]

26. I can't get the link to work. I tried copy/paste and...nada..

[myschkin]

36. are there

any more clips? is this the whole hearing?

:-0

[sled]

58. Real Player

Copy & paste it into "Realplayer", if you have it...should fire up right away...

http://www.real.com/

[texpatriot2004]

14. kick it for Kerry

[Carolab]

15. The whole thing left me feeling really mixed emotionally

Everyone looked so...urgent. Jesse was crying, for God's sake. I felt that the legal representation was very strong, though, and that did encourage me.

[intheflow]

73. I also had mixed feelings.

People were pleading for their government to uphold the public trust in th democratic process but the controlling political party did not show, and it didn't make it onto one evening news program. :(

[ailsagirl]

84. I didn't know Jesse was crying-- that's so sad

But there were a number of noteworthy comments. I'll quote two here, both my Ralph Neas, President of People for the American Way.

"Blackwell...does earn the Catherine Harris Award for 2004"

and

"I think prosecution is something that should be considered with respect to what happened in Ohio."

It was great to hear people speak without restraint!! The "f" word was used more than once and no one seemed reluctant to do so!!

Wish I had been there.

[Razorback_Democrat]

16. I wish I felt as you do

unfortunately I felt that the hearing was somewhat of just something to placate us all.

not even a "real hearing" as they kept pointing out on Pacifica radio.

and Kerry, well, I'll believe it when I see it!

[emulatorloo]

38. it wasn't a "real hearing" because the Republicans wouldn't allow it

Please place blame where it belongs. . .

And then contact your reps and senators and ask the Repugs to step up to the plate.

http://www.truthout.org/cblog.shtml

<snip>

t r u t h o u t | Conyers Hearings on Ohio Vote Fraud Coverage
    By William Rivers Pitt

    Wednesday 08 December 2004
    12:35PM

    These Democratic congressmen just raised a collective plea to everyone: Please help us push the GOP majority to address these issues officially. The invitation was extended to GOP members to come to this hearing. None came.

<snip>

[Razorback_Democrat]

47. I don't think I blamed the Dems for that !

I just said that it was repeatedly pointed out on Pacifica that it wasn't a "real hearing"

geez

[emulatorloo]

49. Hey, I said "Please"

no need to get all mad or anything. . .

:hi:

At any rate, did Pacifica point out that it wasn't "real" because Repugs won't get involved?

[noclonyofthechimp]

17. I couldn't agree more, but I have a question if anyone can answer it.

I am sure this has been asked before and I am sorry if I missed thread with the answer. Now that the house appears to be more than willing to stand up and contest the election when the electoral meets and it's been said that they only need one senator to do so, CAN Kerry be that Senator or is he disqualified because he was a presidential candidate and it's a conflict of interest? Can Edwards?:shrug:

If the answer is "yes". Do any of you think that this may be the hail Mary we have been waiting for?

[liberalhistorian]

That's a very good question.

I believe it's true that they only need one senator, however I'm not sure that Kerry or Edwards would be legally able to do it, since it may very well be considered a major conflict of interest. And given the current power of the repukes in the Senate, I'm not sure if any senator would really have the guts to do it.

[noclonyofthechimp]

42. I have a gut feeling that they may stand up this time. It may be the

reason some are being weirdly silent. Should we start a thread on this question? There are so many intelligent and knowledgeable members here, Someone probably has the correct answer. This has to have already been asked.

I think this is leading up to a big big punch!:bounce:

[BR_Parkway]

44. No more Conflict than Blackwell = SOS = Bush/Cheney campaign

chair - why can't we play by the same rules?

[me b zola]

53. ahaa..

only the repubs can openly operate in conflict of interest mode:crazy:

[thanatonautos]

59. I don't believe there is any legal bar whatsoever to this ...

Kerry is a member of the Senate in good standing and
there is certainly no conflict of interest. Kerry
was the candidate of the Democratic party for
President ... he absolutely has the standing to
allow objections to the election to be aired. It's
a matter of politics, as to whether the party wants
to allow the objections or not. I think they most
certainly should do it ... I am no fan of
bipartisanship or of cooperation with the
fascists who are in control of the Federal
gov't.

I was furious in 2000 when Gore not only did not allow
the members of the Congressional Black Caucus to speak,
but also, pretty obviously, told all the Democratic Senators
not to allow it. If I had been Gore, I'ld have done it
and consequences be damned.

Can anyone imagine that Russ Feingold or Paul Wellstone
would have hesitated to provide the necessary vote, if
the word had not come down from on high?

[Samantha]

70. The Senator who absolutely should do it is Lieberman

but I won't sit here and hold my breath....

[proud patriot]

18. I agree , this being a movement from the grassroots makes it

Less partisan IMHO . Seriously This is a Non partisan
issue . It's about The American People's votes being
counted , It's about the people who Waited hours
in the rain with their I.V. because they were refused
an absentee ballot . It's about College students leaving
Hours long lines to take midterms . It's about people
who would be fired from their jobs if they stayed in that
line to Vote . It's about belief in the integrity of the
Election process .

It's not about Kerry or bush , It's about We the People !

[seito]

20. Right on texpatriot

We have to keep our eye on the ball and avoid the spin traps. There were evil acts committed across this nation and that needs to be the focus of the investigation. Now, we need to force the media to pay attention. I plan to to attend the Dec 12th march in Sacramento, CA, who else will be there?

[alittlelark]

21. I will.. I'm in Los Altos

It's about a 2 hour drive.

[proud patriot]

27. I'm going to Sacto, I'll start a thread in activism for Sacto meeting up

:hi:

[alittlelark]

30. Very cool!!

[Silver Gaia]

86. I'm in Sacramento... and I'll be there on the 12th

I don't post much here, but I read here EVERY day. The hubby and I will be on the steps of the capitol on Sunday, the 12th. I hope there will be LOTS of people there! I'll try to find the thread in activism about this. Just curious... are DUers going to be doing anything to identify ourselves to each other?

[Silver Gaia]

87. K... I found the thread in Activism

and posted some info there for folks going to the Sacramento rally on Sunday, the 12th...

[Carolab]

22. I actually felt great about everyone else

who is actually trying to help us. Like Jackson, Cobb, Truitt, Arnebeck, etc. I think we really ought to be thanking Cobb and Badnarik, as well as CASE Ohio and The Alliance for Democracy and Rainbow-PUSH Coalition.

What has Kerry done for us lately? Just asking.

[seito]

45. I don't know

I think he has done much for the cause by not getting personally involved. This is all about the crimes that were perpetrated against the most vulnerable of Americans. John Kerry cannot be involved in this now or it will be all about Kerry and the Dems trying to steal an election.

By sending money to other recount actions he has shown his willingness to stand up for voter rights. He stepped up to the plate with lawyers to support the GLIB recount and litigation.

I am cautiously optimistic that the media will begin to give this more coverage and that we will take a more active role in demanding that our voices are heard. We do not need Senator Kerry to step up and take the spotlight off the real issues. I have faith that he is working this issue behind the scenes, and with our help, will bring down the BFEE in a manner reminiscent of Iran-Contra.

[Imagevision]

23. Kerry has been smart to remain silent...

Todays CSPAN meeting on voter irregularities is a classic example of results that just "seem" to be ocurring. With Kerry, everything is TIMING!

[merh]

25. Wonder what he will say in Iowa this Friday!

Isn't that where his campaign "kicked off" so to speak, when he won the primaries? :shrug:

:-) Just wondering!

[texpatriot2004]

29. Hey Merh, any details about when he'll speak or where?

[merh]

39. here ya go.

Des Moines, December 7th, 2004 - Former Democratic Presidental Canidate John Kerry plans to visit Iowa Friday. He will be at Hotel Fort Des Moines at 6 pm.

Kerry won't say if he is planning to run for president again in 2008, but either way, that isn't the reason for the visit. He wants to thank Iowa supporters for their hard work during the election.

http://www.whotv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2658127

[Generator]

41. Here you go

http://www.whotv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2658127&nav=LotJTukG

Des Moines, December 7th, 2004 - Former Democratic Presidental Canidate John Kerry plans to visit Iowa Friday. He will be at Hotel Fort Des Moines at 6 pm.

Kerry won't say if he is planning to run for president again in 2008, but either way, that isn't the reason for the visit. He wants to thank Iowa supporters for their hard work during the election.

The reception for Kerry is free and open to the public. For tickets, call the Iowa Democratic Pary at 244-7292.

[neversaynever]

28. I agree 100% n/t

[dogindia]

32. yes

It is difficult. It is dangerous. It is important. It is complex. This issue will not go away. We are speaking about safeguarding the bedrock of Democacy. This coup will not stand.

I want to thank all DU's from the bottom of my heart.

[msgadget]

33. The hearings were about our right to vote.

They weren't intended as a preamble to Kerry's grand re-entrance upon the scene.

[texpatriot2004]

37. Exactly,and also about our right to our votes being counted

[Iceburg]

50. Good post tex: This is about America's ability to hold free and fair

elections. This is not Kerry's election, nor is it George Bush's ... this is your election. It is not about who wins or who loses. This is about your right to vote and your right for that vote to be counted in a public and accountable manner.

Until the fraudulent practices are acknowledged, the perpetrators put behind bars, and the process corrected, there will be no democracy in America.

[nicho]

55. totally agree

so I am not quite sure about the euphoria I am seeing here. I though the hearing was to address fraud but what I heard was some vague allegations and accusations and alot about that every vote should count and we have to fix our voting system. I totally agree with that. but what I didn't see was evidence of massive voter fraud and evidence that would somehow overturn the election that some seem to be reading into this.

[shraby]

60. That wasn't vague allegations you were hearing

that was testimony given. People have signed affidavits stating the disenfranchisement. Hundreds of people.
Some of the organizations that were represented today held hearings around Ohio and took those affidavits.
Conyers had 57,000 complaints that were sent to his office from people who had problems at the polls. Those complaints are the reason he asked the GAO to investigate and the reason he had the forum today, and if the republican congressmen had any sense of responsibility toward their constituents, they also would have been at the forum, and better yet, they could have called for a congressional investigation.

[msgadget]

62. Yes, where were the Republicans representing their constituents?

They represent both Democrats and Republicans, yet none has even nodded in the direction of election reform.

[Wordie]

35. Conyers covered the Kerry issue at very beginning of his statement. Here

it is:
<snip>
The one question I am asked more than any other about the
voting irregularities in Ohio is whether John Kerry was a the
true winner of the election. My answer is that I do not know. In
this country, we gather facts before we reach conclusions, and
we ask questions before we get the answers.

I very much want John Kerry to be the next President of
the United States. But today I have invited and we are joined by
David Cobb, the Green Party candidate for President. I assure you
John Kerry was not his choice for President.

So this is not about John Kerry, this is about the voters.
There were voters who stood in ten hour lines to exercise their
most basic and fundamental civic right. There were voters who
worked for days to provide transportation to the polls for the
elderly and the poor and to provide assistance to language
minority. As hard as voters worked for the vote, we need to
work just as hard to make sure every single vote counts.

[dogindia]

40. yes. yes...

hurrah for Conyers. I am so proud of him. He is a strong and able man. We must thank him heartily.

[texpatriot2004]

56. hey thanks for this because I missed the first part. n/t

[intheflow]

74. "...in this country we gather facts before we reach conclusions..."

Really, Rep. Conyers? Then why was Ohio called for Bush before all the votes were even counted? It sems to me we're a country being run by people who jump to conclusions and then insist their conclusion is the only valid one.

[Twist_U_Up]

43. I liked Arnebeck s clapping to the commom ladys response to the panel

about taxes and the war. He is devoted and brilliant

[texpatriot2004]

57. So far, I have liked everything about Arnebeck. He's great!

[oscar111]

89. PRONGS: 2 Pronged attack needed: Kerry leading rallies, and lawyer prong

The lawyers filing challenges for a new election,

and Kerry leading massive rallies of millions.

The judges do look out the window, so rallies are needed.... Lawyers are needed so new elections can come peacefully.

Kerry must get the rallies going, and NOW, not tomorrow.

I'm waiting impatiently, Kerry.

[newscott]

46. Shout out to Barney Frank

I just wanted to give a shout out to Barney Frank for showing up for this!!!

I'm proud he represents me in Congress.

I emailed him before the hearing and I will email now that the hearing is over to follow up on this.

[Nothing Without Hope]

52. Yes, Barney has been my hero too

A definite perk for living in MA is Barney Frank. He's a good man, a smart and well-spoken man, and he just showed again (not for the first time) that he is a courageous man as well.

[Razorback_Democrat]

48. If the election is contested in congress-need ONE senator

who will it be?

can Kerry contest it there?

[mod mom]

54. maybe we should target an elder statesman

like Sen Kennedy or Sen Leahy. Not only are they getting up in age but they come from a time when integrity menat something.

[g9udit]

69. Senator Byrd Is BEST bet to sign up to Contest The Election

I think that Senator Byrd is FAR and Away our Best bet
to be the one Senator to Sign up and Contest the Election.

Byrd meets all the criteria, as he is outspoken, tough,
he hates Bush, and He's an Elder Statesmen who is too
old to be intimidated or worried about his career being
threatened.

I sent Senator Byrd the Below letter, asking him to support
the GAO investigation and to contest the Election.

But the more people that contact him the better !

Here's the letter :


Dear Senator Byrd,

I am asking you to please come to the aid of the Brave 13 Congressional Representatives who have called
for the GAO to Investigate the many documented errors, questionable results, and evidence of Voter Disenfranchisement, Voter intimidation, and an insufficient number of working voting machines in many polling places, that occurred in this months Presidential Election.

However, there can be no investigation, and the Country will never get to the truth of whether there was election fraud on November 2nd, unless at least One United States Senator is willing to add his or her
name to the list of House Members making this request, and state officially that the American People deserve answers to the many below questions that have been raised regarding the reported election results on Nov. 2nd.

Please consider the below overwhelming Statistical Evidence indicating that the Computer Voting software may have been
manipulated to alter the reported results, and to tip some decisive swing states to Mr. Bush, in the recent Election:

I) Statistical Probability that Election Fraud occurred based upon
Historically Reliable Exit Polls vs. Computer Voting results
is conservatively estimated at over 99 percent probable by
Research experts and Polling professionals.

Dr. Steven Freeman of the Univ. of Pennsylvania has recently released a research paper that puts the chance of exit poll statistical anomalies being off, to the degree that reported Computer voting totals suggest, at a mere 1 in 662,000.

In "The Unexplained Exit Poll Discrepancy," Dr. Steven F. Freeman, who has a PH. D from MIT and whose expertise lies in Research Methods, states :

"As much as we can say in social science that something is impossible, it is impossible that the discrepancies between predicted and actual vote counts in the three critical battleground states of the 2004 election could have been due to chance or random error."

The odds of those exit poll statistical anomalies occurring by chance are 662,000 to one.

Dr. Freemans's Research paper can be read in it's entirety at : http://www.ilcaonline.org/freeman.pdf

Dr. Freeman can be contacted via his email address that appears at the above PDF file, or via the email address of

[e-mail]

Professor Freeman concludes the research paper with this:

"Systematic fraud or mistabulation is a premature conclusion, but the election's unexplained exit poll discrepancies make it an unavoidable
hypothesis, one that is the responsibility of the media, academia, polling agencies, and the public to investigate."

In addition to Dr. Freeman's study of the Voting Anomalies, the below website is a links to a similar study done by the UC Berkeley
research security team on this issue.

The UC Berkeley research team concluded that the probability of fraudulent Reported Election results were over 99 % :

http://ucdata.berkeley.edu/new_web/VOTE2004/election04_WPwappendices.pdf

Professor of Mathematics David Anick, formerly of MIT, did an in-depth study of the discrepancies between exit poll results in Swing States, and the Voting totals reported in those states, and Prof. Anick concluded that the chances of the exit polls being as wrong as the reported vote totals would indicate, are only 1 in 50,000.

A comprehensive Master List of the voting problems documented in the recent Presidential Election, including links to Scholarly analysis done of the Computer Voting totals can be found at :

http://shadowbox.i8.com/stolen.htm


II) How could Computer Voting Fraud have been committed and was it
feasible?

Please see the below demonstration of how Computer Votes could have been manipulated, in a 4 Step demonstration,
using Diebold's own GEM operating system software, from Chuck Herrin , a certified Microsoft Systems Engineer and IT auditor :

http://www.chuckherrin.com/hackthevote.htm


III) Suspects : Is there any reason to be suspicious of
the Computer Voting companies?

No less than 5 of Diebold's developers are convicted felons, including Senior Vice President Jeff Dean, who tops
the list with his twenty-three counts of felony Theft in the First Degree.

Mr. Dean was convicted of all 23 felony counts of theft in the First degree by - and this should raise Red Flags to any
objective person - planting back doors in his software and using a "high degree of sophistication" to evade detection.

The above information comes from Case File No. 89-1-04034-1 (State of Washington ):

So we have someone who pleaded guilty to 23 counts of embezzlement, who is given the position of Senior programmer of the (Diebold) GEMS central tabulator system that counts approximately 50 percent of the votes in the (Bush-Kerry) election, in 30 states, using both paper ballot and touch screen machines.

And while Felons are not allowed to vote in the United States, they are allowed to write the software that is used
to count millions of the votes for the United States Presidential Election.

And their software is proprietary, with reported results that cannot be verified by a paper audit trail , since none exists.

Both ES & S and Sequoia, the other 2 main Computer Voting companies, also have a track record of criminal behavior,
which can easily be verified by checking the legal histories of these companies.

IV) Bullet point summation of the most serious 2004 Presidential
Vote total errors found so far :

In addition to the 57,000 Voter complaints concerning Voter disenfranchisement, broken down or insufficient
voting machines, received by People for the American Way, below is a bullet point summary of some of the most serious
Presidential Election errors found so far, which are almost certainly just the tip of a large iceberg :

-The almost 4,000 votes awarded to Bush in Columbus, Ohio, reported by the AP, which was only noticeable
because more votes were recorded in the precinct than there were registered voters.

-Apx. 4,500 votes lost in one North Carolina county.

-3,000 phantom votes were added by a Nebraska "vote tabulator" which doubled the votes.

-22,000 North Carolina votes which later had to be added because the computer initially discarded them due to system overload.

-A glitch in San Francisco computers which caused many votes to be uncounted.

-Florida's anomalous results where only districts with touch screen voting had disproportionate votes for Bush than expected.
This analysis has since been duplicated by a UC Berkeley professor and others.

-AP reports in Florida and Ohio of voters who stated when using touchscreens, when they selected "John Kerry,"
that instead "George Bush" would appear on the screen.

-Long lines in urban Ohio areas, to the point where voters left in frustration after 8 or so hours.

-21 voting machines in Broward County, Florida, malfunctioned, eliminating prior votes that had been cast on them in this most-Democratic county in the state.

-Warren County, Ohio's, refusal to allow independent monitoring of vote counting based on a terrorist incident which turned out later to not exist.

- Machines in Oklahoma counted BACKWARDS for Kerry, with a net result of Sen Kerry losing 37,982 votes to the ES&S Optech Machines.
During the same time period President Bush gained 393,825 votes.

See this newspaper for confirmation of above Oklahoma problem http://okimc.org/newswire.php?story_id=344

-Malfunctioning vote cassettes in Palm Beach, FL.

-Boxes of absentee votes discovered after the election in a Broward County election office.

- In Cleveland, Heavily Democratic wards, such as Precinct 6-C and precinct 13-F, reported less than 20 % turnout, despite record turnout in most cities :

V) Conclusion : - Means, Opportunity, and Criminal Track Record exist, justifying an Investigation into a matter of this importance

The above facts show that the Means, the Opportunity, and a Criminal track record of those involved in writing the Computer Voting Software all exist,
and these 3 points taken together, along with the vast discrepancy between historically accurate Exit poll data and the reported Computer voting results
in swing states, point to a very strong possibility that Fraud did occur on a massive and significant scale in this months Presidential Election.

At the very least, an independent investigation is needed to look into these serious matters, not only
to be sure who the winner of the last election was, but also to insure that our Election voting procedures
are safe, accurate, secure, and fair for future elections in our Country.

Please make sure that Future Generations will have the sacred American right to vote and to be sure there
vote is recorded accurately, by supporting the members of Congress who have called for an Investigation.

I'd like to finish by saying that it would be a great tragedy if the citizens of the Ukraine are allowed to have
a recount to verify that their recent National Elections were valid , while the citizens of the United States,
the greatest Democracy on Earth, are not granted that same right.

Do the Ukrainians have more Courage and more fighting spirit to keep their newly won Democracy, than we Americans have ?

Does the Ukrainian opposition party have more Courage and dedication to Democracy and to a Just and Fair Election than the leadership
of the Democratic Party has here in America, which was the Democratic model and Ideal that inspired so many foreign people, including
the ex Soviet satellites, to cast off their Tyrannical governments, so that they could become Democracies themselves?

Can it be that America, the Beacon of Democracy, is a nation where their President is decided by an election where the votes are counted,
using propiertary software, by 3 corporations that have both criminal records and heavy financial ties to the Republican Party, and of whom
one of their CEO's, Walden O'Dell openly boasted that he would deliver the Electoral Votes of Ohio to Mr. Bush ?

Where is the Democratic Senate Leadership at this time ?

When will the Democratic Party reclaim their courage and Leadership, and stand up and Demand a just, and verifiable Vote count in America,
without disenfranchisement?

Please Senator Byrd.

I beg you on behalf of the Brave American Troops who will no doubt die unnecessarily in Iran, if Mr. Bush
is allowed to steal this election, and resume his reckless agenda of preemptive military strikes, which only further cripple our armed forces,
provide propaganda recruitment to Al Qaieda, create more enemies and more terrorists, and damage the relationship with our allies.

Your service to your Country has been Honorable.

Please now take a stand once more, and help our Country end this long national nightmare of fear mongering, deceit, and subversion of
our Constitution, by aiding those Brave Congressional Representatives who are calling for an investigation into the overwhelming questionable report vote
totals in several key swing states, especially Ohio and Florida.

The Ukrainian Parliament has just taken steps to demand a new election in their country, after the widespread fraud that occurred there.

Do not American Citizens, deserve at least the same rights as Ukrainians to a Fair and Verifiable election ?

I await your reply.

Sincerely and in Love of Our Country and It's Democracy,

[corbett]

71. Senator Byrd - Superb Suggestion!

Kick!

Senator Byrd is an excellent suggestion for that role and we definitely need to start garnering support now from Senators. Representative Conyers may well be the first Congressman to issue a challenge in open Congressional session in early January but there can't a moment's hesitation before a colleague from the Senate says, "I second the motion."

[Viktor Runeberg]

78. How about Jeffers?

Jeffers is the only independent Senator, and was Republican until dislike of Bush converted him. Also, he has had health problems which almost led him to resign - so this in any case is his final term and he might like to finish off on a high note.

[Wordie]

51. kick

[myschkin]

63. HE HAS

to jump on it now. Otherwise people want to replace him with Jesse Jackson or Conyers...

[txindy]

64. All excellent points, texpatriot2004

It's so nice to have a leader who considers the big picture and the implications of his actions. We don't need someone who tries to appease people just because they're feeling nervous or left out of the loop. They don't need to be in the loop. This is a serious investigation with worldwide implications. It isn't wise for us to know what is happening at every level. If we do, then so do those being investigated.

Having an intelligent leader with a grasp of subtle manuevering is certainly refreshing. It's an excellent strategic move to have these hearings highlight the issues of fraud and not a candidate. That just reinforces my belief that John Kerry as President would not pander to anyone. Also a refreshing change for the WH.

[bleever]

67. We're gonna see that flag rightside up again, and maybe sooner

than a lot of people think.

See monkey play dress-up. See the people clap. Everything fine, don't worry, monkey.

:evilgrin:

[txindy]

72. Monkey dress like Castro wannabe. Play 'Banana Republic'.

Monkey slip on peels. Fall down, look stupid. Nobody notice difference.

:evilgrin:

I do want my flag back. With no monkey hairs or banana smells anywhere near it.

[texpatriot2004]

80. I really think the monkeys are smarter than chimpy. n/t

[txindy]

82. The monkeys' fleas are smarter.

The dead fleas, too. ;)

[texpatriot2004]

83. Hey thanks, you made me laugh...out loud :-)

[texpatriot2004]

81. Bleever you are always there when I need to hear you.

The idea that my flag could be right side up again, sooner than I think, well, I almost got teary eyed. Thanks so much for your hopeful, positive, uplifting messages that seem to come along when I need them.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

68. Kerry Is A Fraud Himself

The leaders of this country are all Frauds so far as I'm concerned. You want to know what's going to happen if this ever gets to the Congress, and 1 Senator has to object? Watch Fahrenheit 911. Only this time, you'll get to see Kerry & Edwards sitting there in silence. Assuming they even have the guts to show up if the day comes when the electors get challenged.

It's almost like nobody in our government cares. Even with the few black representative exceptions, it is obvious that they know this has little chance of going anywhere. The invitations which went out to the Repubs, was more a formality than anything else. Did anyone really think a single one would show up? HELLO!!! I would have put down $100 to win $1 on that one. Does anyone really think they care? Why should they? THEY WON! You expect they are going to suddenly develop a conscience?

Here we sit almost 1 1/2 months after the election. The cause is stronger than ever, but also weaker than ever. Still no MSM coverage, aside from the cursory KO segment. And eventually, even that may get pushed aside by the powers that be.

This country is a joke, and tin foil aside, I see little reason to stay and support it. Besides, it's not like any of us are wanted or respected. They call us tin-foil for good reason, and is there any reason to think it's going to change.

Please help me out here. It's plain as day that we're screwed, and are relatively powerless against those running the show. Isn't that what our future holds in store?

[politicasista]

75. OUCH!

[Imagevision]

77. Blackwell is the one we need sworn statements from...

The Recounting of Ohio I believe will produce some astonding revelations as to what realy was going on in Ohio -- especially when they cited "Homeland Security" warnings that never happened for the lockdown to keep the press out.

This has Watergate written all over it...and will give new meaning to Newsweeks Karl Rove - Man of the year award story.{The Architect}

CSPAN added some much wanted weight with hearings today - BIG SCANDAL and Kerry will be pushing the buttons.

Looking forward to hearing about Bush's Inauguration postponement!

[Carolab]

85. I've been saying BYRD all along

he is the RIGHT CHOICE.

He is an elder statesman at the end of his career, he is a firebrand that consistently stands up to do the right thing, he defends the Constitution with his life.

He is THE RIGHT CHOICE. In fact, he may be the ONLY CHOICE.