Bev Harris has not trademarked "clean up crew"

[HR_Pufnstuf]

Search "clean up crew" for yourselves:

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=40b5oc.1.1

Go trademark it DU. And then tell her to stop using it. ;)

[IAMREALITY]

1. I Think We All Have More Important Matters To Tend To Right Now, Thank You

:eyes:

[HR_Pufnstuf]

3. You are so so welcome.

Smooch!

[goclark]

16. Much more important things

to discuss.

[neversaynever]

34. but seriously folks, is Bev-Bashing really a priority here?

seems like vindictive childish crap--(I'm "non-partisan" on the Bev vs. DU issue and take no sides). All I can say is that the way *I even found DU was by googling Bev Harris. Yeah, she's made some mistakes, she's done some things I don't understand and wouldn't have done (and it's not like DU hasn't done things I'll never understand,either). Haven't we all had our moments, good and bad in this fiasco? And hasn't a lot of good come out of all our collective efforts? And will we ever learn to forgive, forget, try not to sweat the small stuff and FOCUS on priority number 1 (i.e. OVERTURN ELECTION)? In other words, don't we all have far more important business to tend to?

[bloom]

2. ....

:)

[Catherine Vincent]

4. Be careful. Her supporters are very touchy.

:-)

[HR_Pufnstuf]

5. lol.

support this. i say.



According to the WIRED Article:

"She said she did not threaten to sue Democratic Underground but did complain that some participants in the forums were improperly using the phrase "Clean up Crew," which she said is a trademarked phrase of her Black Box Voting organization."

http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,65928,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_5

[AmerDem]

7. next time have the conviction to debate your own thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=129676&mesg_id=129676


but really I expect nothing less.

[Catherine Vincent]

31. That thread wasn't up for debate.

touchy touchy

[Skip Intro]

36. So you get to bash away and if anyone disagrees, they're touchy?

whatever

[Catherine Vincent]

39. I did not bash Bev Harris.

I have no need to do such things.

[Skip Intro]

40. Look at your own post #4. Hey, you're right.

You're not bashing Bev, you're bashing all those who voice a contrary opinion to the "bev bashing."

Maybe you didn't bash her (in this thread), but you sure as hell took it upon yourself to label "her" supporters.

I mean, its right there.

[Catherine Vincent]

41. Okay, just wanted to prove I didn't bash Bev.

And calling some DUers as touchy is not bashing. If it were, the post would have been deleted.

Peace.

[Skip Intro]

42. nice, tidy, and smooth

you go

[Skip Intro]

43. Actually, factually, veirfiably, I DIDN'T say you did -

what a wonderful two way street

oh yeah, peace

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

6. I would say...

That based upon the information presented above, this is fair game for discussion, when taken in light of public comments by the principle.

Are we a reality-based community or not?

[IAMREALITY]

8. Only Thing Is

The fact that it is not trademarked has been beaten to death already.

Not to mention this belongs in general discussion, don't ya think?

[HR_Pufnstuf]

9. Oh I see. sorry.

I didnt read that yet. hmmm... guess i am a scooby newbie do.

[IAMREALITY]

10. LOL

Ok, I liked that.

:)

[HR_Pufnstuf]

11. Better yet.

I am thinking of Trademarking it myself.

Yeah, that is the ticket.
















maybe.

[BeHereNow]

12. Better run that by Andy first...

Andy is the one who originally coined that phrase.
BHN

[BeHereNow]

15. AND, I have to add this-

As a songwriter, I am repulsed by people
who rip off other people's intellectual/creative
property...
NOT cool.
On edit: As a matter of fact, I consider it a
form of rape. I know, it has happened to me
and there is no comparable violation as far
as the sanctity of the ownership of creative thinking.
ICK.
bhn

[Turn CO Blue]

32. I work for an airline. The team that cleans the planes is called...

the "cleaning crew". They're cleverly called that because they are a "crew" that does a lot of "cleaning". They've been called that for at least ten years. Just one little word off, but has the same alliteration.

How can anybody copyright phrases or terminology that are already in the everyday lexicon of the average person?

I can't believe I'm posting on this topic; just trying to get to 300.
Smiles/Winks.

edited: typo

[HR_Pufnstuf]

17. I said maybe.

but i have the power to do whatever i want. andy schmandy puddin pie, stole his name and made him cry.

BWAHH!!!

[Name removed]

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[Catherine Vincent]

14. That was cute.

But the makers of Scooby Doo will probably sue you.:-)

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

13. Well, I missed the other threads on it.

But, since Bev brought it up, the phrase "hoisted on her own petard" comes readily to mind.

As far as which virtual folder is more appropriate...It's all RAID array to me.

[ParanoidPat]

18. She doesn't have to.......

.......She only has to establish prior use along with the BBV.org name and the use of both names elsewhere that might easily be confused with the registered organization she represents.

Ask an attorney . :evilgrin:

[HR_Pufnstuf]

20. ewww.. i better hurry then.

lol.

kiddin.

[symbolman]

26. Is she selling

soap flavored Clinton/Lewinsky Cigars now, because a SOAP company appears to have TM'd it a LOONG time ago..

Maybe Vreeland can give her advice from Mars..

Keep spreading it around, but remember that it draws flies..

one other question, are you ANDY? Just asking..

[HR_Pufnstuf]

27. Raggedy Andy?

No, I am HR Pufnstuf, a much more popular fictional character.

And btw, I have NO interest in TM'ing any stupid clean up crew name, but thought DU might. I don't even think you could get it now anyways.

Besides, maybe the Hand Soap company will go after BBeV, since she is using their mark, and claiming it is hers...

--------------------------------------------------------------
Word Mark CLEAN UP CREW
Goods and Services IC 003. US 052. G & S: Hand Soap and Hand Cleaner and Skin Cleanser. FIRST USE: 19820300. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19820300
Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING
Serial Number 73369980
Filing Date June 16, 1982
--------------------------------------------------------------

Oh yea, and did I happen to say that Auguste Comte rules all?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auguste_Comte

[ParanoidPat]

46. Mike, keep one thing in mind.......

.......you ceased being an 'anonymous' poster on an Internet discussion board when you chose to promote yourself and your work in public under your real name. You are held to a higher standard of accountability than your average poster.

With that in mind I'd like to remind you of a number of libelous and slanderous statements that you've made and I've downloaded from these boards.

You might want to think very hard about making any more unsubstantiated allegations about Bev or BlackBoxVoting.org "profiting off donations" or her "selling" items that her PR firm handled. Be prepared to prove your allegations. :)

BTW, You making any money off you movie yet? :evilgrin:

[jamboi]

19. Doesn't work that way. She's been using it for an extended time and that

is easily demonstrated. Legally she has an excellent standing even if she hasn't formally trademarked, servicemarked, copyrighted, etc. Besides, why would we want to stir up more bad blood? Don't we have the creativity to come up with another decent name ourselves? We need to work together not pick fights with others working on election fraud.

[HR_Pufnstuf]

30. But, what if someone else already has trademarked it?

Can she still claim it's hers?

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[HR_Pufnstuf]

23. (growing up)

See ya shorty!

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[HR_Pufnstuf]

25. Yeah, that too.

It is now 4:20 PM in Cali.

Attention DU: I am officially under your skin.

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[Catherine Vincent]

33. And I like your sense of humor.

:-)

[ohio_liberal]

37. Pothead

That's a compliment. Or something. ;)

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35. Yay, more Bev bashing. How original and substantive. Not to mention -

a powerful contribution to the cause of saving democracy.

Nominated...

[Must_B_Free]

38. BWAAAH! Just as I thought!

it was BBV Clean Up Crew that she objected to

See that BBV there? It stands for BlackBoxVoting.org

Moreover she was already using 'BBV Clen Up Crew' as a name.

Use of a name makes it yours. You don't have to copywrite it.

BevHarris
Sun Nov-14-04 01:56 AM
Response to Reply #11
12. The deal is this:

People are currently donating funds to the BBV Cleanup Crew (the real one, which is registered to us) for specific actions like a Florida recount and FOIA requests.





BZZZZZZZZZT! Try again... This post did no damage to Bev.

[symbolman]

44. So it's registered.

WHERE? AS WHAT? Copyrighted? WHat?

Of is it trademarked? NOPE.

BUZZT

WRONG ANSWERS as usual.. actually NO answer at all..

and they wonder why NO ONE believes them.

Please, do you all think that we are RETARDED or have Alzheimers or have been hit in the head so much we have no attention space whatsoever?

It's insulting, and that's why most people call it BS.. hopefully you might take it to heart and pass the word.

We aren't DUMB.

[Must_B_Free]

45. How embarassing for you, Symbolman...

"Although the majority of trademarks in existence are NOT registered, owners of UN-REGISTERED trademarks still have legal rights to the EXCLUSIVE use of their trademarks."

See this link to educate yourself on common law trademarks and the "first-in-time" usage rule.
http://www.mycorporation.com/trademark/common-law-trademark.htm

As far as your question about registration, it is her nonprofit that is "registered". Bev demonstrates that in post 4 of the controversial thread, where it states:

"Black Box Voting, Inc. - a registered 501c(3) nonprofit corporation".

So it appears the notions of nonprofit "registration" and trademark "registration" have been confused. Moreover, the corporation name becomes a common law trademark by defacto.

Here is the post from the thread where Bev explains the cause for concern about misuse of her nonprofit name:

People are currently donating funds to the BBV Cleanup Crew (the real one, which is registered to us) for specific actions like a Florida recount and FOIA requests.

When someone else uses the same name, it confuses things rather badly, and also mucks up the message. We are doing some very specific things. That's not to say these other things aren't important, but they shouldn't call them the same thing.

Just think: Suppose I started posting on DU a call to join a MoveOn effort that MoveOn knew nothing about, or suppose I wanted to do something under the name PFAW Election Protection, without first getting permission from People for the American Way and their related entity, Election Protection.

This is not something that lends itself to opinions. It is legal stuff, and those of us who are protecting nonprofit 501c(3) charters know how touchy it can be to say the wrong thing under the name of the nonprofit.

Thanks for understanding.

Bev Harris
Executive Director
Black Box Voting Inc.
Cleanup Crew

Yeah, she's a real terrible person for protecting her nonprofit status and the efforts of those who have contributed to the oganization... :eyes: