Article on Faithless Electors Watch

[Gothmog]

Here is an intersting article on the concept of faithless electors. See http://slate.msn.com/id/2110786

Four years ago, it struck me as a very real possibility that three Bush electors would betray the Republicans and cast their votes for Al Gore, thereby aligning Gore's popular-vote plurality with an Electoral College victory. After all, I reasoned, in recent presidential elections there had more often than not been a "faithless elector" (and if you count the "Greeley faithless," of whom only a tiny elite of Electoral College bores is aware, then going all the way back to George Washington there have been more faithless electors than presidential elections). Perhaps the trauma of Bush's popular-vote loss would persuade two Republicans outraged by the antidemocratic workings of the Electoral College to jump ship. There was, after all, no federal prohibition against their doing so, and state laws binding electors to the popular vote within their state are generally thought unconstitutional. The Nation magazine very naughtily urged that three Republican electors step forward to spare the nation four years of George W. Bush, which in retrospect sounds like an excellent idea. But it was not to be. ....

The magic number for 2004 is 18. If 18 Bush electors betray both their party and the popular vote and cast their votes for John Kerry on Dec. 13—when, as we Electoral College bores like to point out, the real presidential election takes place in state capitals around the country—then John Kerry will become president. It isn't remotely likely, and it would violate the principle of democratic government (just as the Electoral College itself does). But it remains in the realm of the possible.

The one presidential elector who has threatened to go faithless this year is a Republican. He is Richie Robb, mayor of Charleston, W. Va., and three months ago he was threatening to withhold his electoral vote from Bush to protest the president's policies. A little more than a month ago he reaffirmed that threat. After the election, Robb said that Bush's margin of victory in West Virginia was sufficiently great that he would probably vote for Bush after all, but he still refused to say so for certain. Today is the deadline for states to replace electors and still keep their electoral vote count "presumptively valid" when Congress formally tallies the votes on Jan. 5. (Yet another argument against the Electoral College: This ceremonial crap takes more than two months to wrap up.) Yet Robb, bafflingly, has not been dropped as a Bush elector. So that may be one faithless elector right there.

[berni_mccoy]

1. This is cross posted from...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x128523

[whistle]

2. In 2000 it was not possible to get two electoral votes to defect. . .

. . .how in the world would 18 republicans defect and cast their electoral votes away from Bush and give them to Kerry. I suggest that the odds of winning the powerball lotto are better than having a legitimate president for the next four years. Besides, doesn't Bush claim to have political capital, which means he has the power to buy those electoral votes with favors to those who vote and also he can make it really hard on those who betray the process given that there ends up being fewer than the required 18 you speak of.

[Liberty Belle]

3. We should Fed-Ex copies of today's hearing to all electors!

Along with articles demonstrating the depth of fraud and the unethical ownership history of the voting machine companies. For good measure, through in info on the scariest stuff Bush has done since being "reelected," just to give anyone nightmares.

If you like this idea, please kick this to the top.

Would whoever posted the addresses of electors here yesterday please repost in this thread?

[berni_mccoy]

4. Now there is an excellent idea.

See the link I posted above to the original topic to see the list of the names of the electors by state.

[whistle]

5. Great idea, who are the electorals ans what are their email addys

[Liberty Belle]

6. I don't know electors' names/addresses. kick!!

They were posted here before. Can someone please repost the 2004 electors in this thread, and also put it in Demopedia?

[Liberty Belle]

7. Here are electors names, but where are addreses

Here is the current list of electors from Wikipedia. I know I saw a post here earlier with addresses for electors, at least from key states.

Edited on Wed Dec-08-04 01:46 PM by berni_mccoy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential...

Of course, it's not complete yet, but definitely gives us a start on some of the states we are interested in.


2004 U.S. presidential electors, by state:

Alabama - Republican -
http://www.sos.state.al.us/downloads/election/2004/gene...
Beth Chapman (b. 1962) of Birmingham, at-large elector. Chapman is the Alabama State Auditor; a public relations and politcal consultant, she worked with several Republican campaigns in Alabama, serves as press secretary and campaign manager for Steve Windom, and was elected state auditor in 2002.
Marty Connors of Alabaster, at-large elector. Connors is the chair of the Alabama Republican Party.
Martha Hosey of Gulf Shore, elector for the 1st Congressional district. Hosey has been an officer in the Alabama Federation of Republican Women.
Will Sellers of Montgomery, elector for the 2nd Congressional district. Sellers, an attorney, is a veteran of multiple Republican campaigns.
Mike Hubbard of Auburn, elector for the 3rd Congressional district. Hubbard represents the 79th district in the Alabama House of Representatives, first elected in 1998.
Floyd Lawson of Cullman, elector for the 4th Congressional district.
Elbert Peters of Huntsville, elector for the 5th Congressional district.
Bettye Fine Collins of Trussville, elector for the 6th Congressional district.
Martha Stokes of Carrollton, Alabama, elector for the 7th Congressional district.


Alaska - Republican -
http://www.gov.state.ak.us/ltgov/elections/forms/2004el...
Gloria J. Tokar of Palmer, Alaska.
Frederick H. Hahn of Anchorage, Alaska.
Roberly R. Waldron of Anchorage, Alaska


Arizona - Republican
Linda Barber
Malcolm Barrett
Jim Click
Cynthia J. Collins
Webb Crockett
Elizabeth Wilkinson Fannin
Ross Farnsworth
Ira A. Fulton
Bernice C. Roberts
Phillip Townsend


Arkansas - Republican

California - Democratic - http://www.ss.ca.gov/elections/elector_list_2004.pdf
Robert H. Manley of Los Angeles, at-large elector.
Barbara Schraeger of Sausalito, at-large elector.
C. Paul Johnson of Napa, elector for the 1st Congressional district.
Gary Simmons of Chico, elector for the 2nd Congressional district.
Paul Batterson of Fair Oaks, elector for the 3rd Congressional district.
Diana Madoshi of Rocklin, elector for the 4th Congressional district.
Kyriakos Tsakopoulos of Granite Bay, elector for the 5th Congressional district.
Donald Linker of Tiburon, elector for the 6th Congressional district.
Paula Sandusky of Vacaville, elector for the 7th Congressional district.
Adam Woo of San Francisco, elector for the 8th Congressional district.
Chloe Drew of San Francisco, elector for the 9th Congressional district.
Karl Sliferv of San Ramon, elector for the 10th Congressional district.
Gary Prost of Livermore, elector for the 11th Congressional district.
Joseph Cotchett of Burlingame, elector for the 12th Congressional district.
John Smith of Fremont, elector for the 13th Congressional district.
George Marcus of Los Altos Hills, elector for the 14th Congressional district.
Mark Hsu of Atherton, elector for the 15th Congressional district.
Adele Bihn of San Jose, elector for the 16th Congressional district.
Darrell Darling of Santa Cruz, elector for the 17th Congressional district.
Amarjit Dhaliwal of Modesto, elector for the 18th Congressional district.
Rocco Davis of Roseville, elector for the 19th Congressional district.
Kenneth Costa of Fresno, elector for the 20th Congressional district.
Barbara Pyle of Fresno, elector for the 21st Congressional district.
David Johnson of Los Angeles, elector for the 22nd Congressional district.
Andrew M. Siegel of Santa Barbara, elector for the 23rd Congressional district.
Michael Carpenter of Lake View Terrace, elector for the 24th Congressional district.
Lynda Von Husen of Palmdale, elector for the 25th Congressional district.
Randy Monroe of Running Springs, elector for the 26th Congressional district.
Lane M. Sherman of Northridge, elector for the 27th Congressional district.
Moreen Blum of Sherman Oaks, elector for the 28th Congressional district.
Yolanda Dyer of Norwalk, elector for the 28th Congressional district.
Paul I. Goldenberg of La Habra Heights, elector for the 29th Congressional district.
Lenore Wax of Los Angeles, elector for the 30th Congressional district.
Mitch O'Farrell of Los Angeles, elector for the 31st Congressional district.
Franklin A. Acevedo of Los Angeles, elector for the 32nd Congressional district.
Gwen Moore of Los Angeles, elector for the 33rd Congressional district.
Pedro Carillo of Los Angeles, elector for the 34th Congressional district.
Karen Walters of Inglewood, elector for the 35th Congressional district.
Ted Lieu of Torrance, elector for the 36th Congressional district.
Valerie McDonald of Long Beach, elector for the 37th Congressional district.
Marvin Kropke of Pasadena, elector for the 39th Congressional district.
Douglas E. Hitchcock of Garden Grove, elector for the 40th Congressional district.
Barbara Kerr of iverside, elector for the 41st Congressional district.
Salvador Sanchez of Los Angeles, elector for the 42nd Congressional district.
Joe Baca, Jr. of San Bernardino, elector for the 43rd Congressional district.
Grant Gruber of Riverside, elector for the 44th Congressional district.
James T. Ewing of Yucaipa, elector for the 45th Congressional district.
Louise Giacoppe of Huntington Beach, elector for the 46th Congressional district.
James G. Bohm of Irvine, elector for the 47th Congressional district.
N. Mark Lam of Fountain Valley, elector for the 48th Congressional district.
Chuck Lowery of Oceanside, elector for the 49th Congressional district.
Susan Koehler of Carlsbad, elector for the 50th Congressional district.
Mary Salas of Chula Vista, elector for the 51st Congressional district.
Andrew Benjamin of Spring Valley, elector for the 52nd Congressional district.
Margaret Lawrence of San Diego, elector for the 53rd Congressional district.


Colorado - Republican
Connecticut - Democratic
Delaware - Democratic
District of Columbia - Democratic
Florida - Republican

Georgia - Republican - http://www.sos.state.ga.us/elections/presidential_elect...
Anna R. Cablik
Fred Cooper
Nancy N. Coverdell
James C. Edenfield
Karen Handel
Donald F. Layfield
Carolyn Dodgen Meadows
Sunny K. Park
Alex Poitevint
Joan Ransom
Nardender G. Reddy
Jame Raynolds
Norma Mountain Rogers
Eric J. Tanenblatt
Virgil Williams


Hawaii - Democratic
Idaho - Republican
Illinois - Democratic
Indiana - Republican
Iowa - Republican

Kansas - Republican - http://www.kssos.org/other/2004_Presidential_Electors.h...
Ruth Garvey Fink of Topeka.
Bernard "Bud" Hentzen of Wichita.
Dennis Jones of Lakin.
Wanda Konold of Pratt.
Jack Ranson of Wichita.
Patricia Pitney Smith of Overland Park.


Kentucky - Republican
Louisiana - Republican
Maine - Democatic

Maryland - Democratic - http://www.elections.state.md.us/current_election/index...
Norman Conway
Delores Kelley
Lainey Lebow Sachs
Pam Jackson
Dorothy Chaney
John Riley
Wendy Fielder
Daphne Bloomberg
Tom Perez
Gary Gensler


Massachusetts - Democratic
Michigan - Democratic
Minnesota - Democratic
Mississippi - Republican
Missouri - Republican
Montana - Republican
Nebraska - Republican
Nevada - Republican
New Hampshire - Democratic
New Jersey - Democratic
New Mexico - Republican
New York - Democratic

North Carolina - Republican
Joseph W. Powell, Jr.
Ann Sullivan
William B. Carraway
Sandra Carter
William H. Trotter
Thomas D. Luckadoo
Judy Keener
Marcia M. Spiegel
Dewitt Rhoades
Davey G. Williamson
Theresa Esposito
Elizabeth Kelly
Larry W. Potts
Joe Morgan
Robert Rector


North Dakota - Republican
Ohio - Republican
Oklahoma - Republican
Oregon - Democratic
Pennsylvania - Democratic
Rhode Island - Democratic

South Carolina - Republican - http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/electoral_coll...
Dennis M. Daugaard
Larry Long
Mike Rounds


South Dakota - Republican
Tennessee - Republican

Texas - Republican - http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/electoral_coll...
Marcus Anderson
Bennie Bock
Bill Borden
Larry Bowles
Sue Brannon
Charles Burchett
Marjorie Chandler
Tom Cottar
Christopher DecLuitt
Jan Galbraith
Martha Greenlaw
Barbara Grusendorf
Kathy Haigler
Royce Hayes
Kim Hesley
Kristina Kiik
Lance Lenz
Loyce McCarter
Frank Morris
Dan Mosher
Roger O'Dell
Jay Pierce
Mike Provost
Anna Rice
Rhealyn Samuelson
Nancy Stevens
Cheryl Surber
Mike Ussery
Glenn Warren
Susan Weddington
Jim Wiggins
Morris Woods
Peter Wrench
Sid Young


Utah - Republican

Vermont - Democratic - http://vermont-elections.org/elections1/2004GEPresElect...
Billi Gosh of Brookfield.
Paul Highberg of Woodstock.
Jeffry Taylor of Clarendon.


Virginia - Republican
Washington - Democratic
West Virginia - Republican
Wisconsin - Democratic


Wyoming - Republican - http://soswy.state.wy.us/election/2004/elector.htm
Linda Barker of Cheyenne.
Jack Van Mark of Torrington.
Mike Baker of Thermopolis.

[dzika]

8. Researching Electors for NC

I have been profiling Electors for NC.

I see that the No Stolen Elections! site has an action alert to profile and contact Electors in each state.
http://www.nov3.us/strategicaction.php

Is anyone else working on this task?
Should i post my research in this thread?

Thanks!

[Kellis]

9. Yes post it in this thread.

I am confused-lol-nothing new there.

But What are we sending out and to whom?I want to be in on this.Thanks for your help.
:kick:

[dzika]

10. Action Alert from No Stolen Elections!

I received an alert from the No Stolen Elections! site yesterday with some action items including profiling electors for each state.

The goal:
• Get electoral college delegates to use their role to create
publicity for election irregularities/voting rights violations, either through public statements or by protest during the actual voting process
• Create visibility for election problems
• Gum up and ideally postpone the process as a protest


The entire text of the action alert is here:
http://www.nov3.us/strategicaction.php

Here is an email I received back from one of the organizers earlier today:

-snip-
- I have not heard of anyone else from NC working on this. I am available to consult any time. No one has ever before tried to organize on the Electoral College so we are all learning together. Good news is we may have at least one elector willing to act in three states. My cell is xxx-xxx-xxxx - call any time. We know way more how to do this in detail now. So I am more than happy to talk - GOOD WORK - This is making a difference - thanks, grace

I'll post the information I have on the NC electors in this thread later this afternoon.

[dzika]

15. NC Democrat Electors

Here is the information that I have collected on the Democratic Party Electors. I have reviewed the election laws in my state and i don't see any way for another party's electors to protest the electors of the winning party.

That said, I think that there is one Democratic Party Elector who may be willing to do something if we can figure out what he should do. Take a look at the profile information for Harold Brokaw. He has a history of activism and is from a part of the state that may have experienced a number of irregularities.

Here is the information gathered so far:

NC Democrat Electors

NC Electoral College Website: http://www.secretary.state.nc.us/electoral/

Democratic Party Electors
Seroba Aiken
Edward C. McGuire
James Narron
Jeff Dellinger
John Murphy
Harley D. Caldwell
Edward Smith
Walter Marshall
Ben Neill
John C. Brooks
Wayne Abraham
Mary Rhoe
Armin Jancis
Harold Brokaw
P. E. Bazemore


Seroba Aiken
North Carolina Senior Tar Heel Legislature, Scretary
The North Carolina Senior Tar Heel Legislature was established by the North Carolina General Assembly with the passage of Senate Bill 479 in July of 1993.
The Senior Tar Heel Legislature was created to:

Provide information to senior citizens on the legislative process and matters being considered by the North Carolina General Assembly.
Promote citizen involvement and advocacy concerning aging issues before the North Carolina General Assembly.
Assess the legislative needs of older citizens by convening a forum modeled after the North Carolina General Assembly.

There is one delegate and one alternate delegate to the Senior Tar Heel Legislature from each of the 100 counties in the state. Delegates and alternates must be age 60 or older. The North Carolina Division of Aging and Adult Services provides staff support for the Senior Legislature in cooperation with the 18 Area Agencies on Aging who are responsible for conducting the selection of delegates and alternates. Current officers of the Senior Tar Heel Legislature are:


Doris Dick, Speaker (Yadkin County)

W. J. "Bill" Little, Jr., Speaker Pro Tempore (Northampton County)

Shirley Yates, Deputy Speaker Pro Tempore (Perquimans County)

Seroba Aiken, Secretary (Greene County)

Friends of North Carolina Senior Tar Heels, Inc., Board of Directors (1999-2000)
FRIENDS OF NORTH CAROLINA
SENIOR TAR HEELS, INC.

Board of Directors

June 1999 - June 2000



James Narron
NC Bar Association
Inter Vivos Noncharitable Gifts - presentation
Brother or Father or neither?:
Brother was a World War II veteran of the 552nd Division Engineering Combat Battalion landing on Utah Beach. He retired from Armco Steel in 1986 as a welder. He was a longtime resident of Eastern Jackson County. He was preceded in death by two brothers, Burruss C. Richardson of Elkhart, Indiana and James Narron Jr. of Gladstone, Mo.;
Town of Smithfield Advisory Commision - Public Library Board of Trutees
Home: 934-8330, Work 934-6021, Job: Attorney,Served: 3,Term expires: 9/05
Trust Estate Lawyer, Smithfield NC - Narron, James Wiley
Address: 102 South Third Street, 27577-4540 P.O. Box 1567 Smithfield, 27577-1567
North Carolina
Phone: [phone]
American College of Trust and Estate - Blue Book (Directory)
North Carolina
Johnston County*
Narron, James Wiley [phone]
Narron, O'Hale & Whittington, P.A.
102 South Third Street, 27577-4540
P.O. Box 1567
Smithfield, 27577-1567
Send Email: http://www.actec.org/public/roster/ShowOneAttorney.asp?FellowNo=2788
Maybe Marathon runner
May have lived in DC on or about 2002
Johnston Community College Board of Trustees
Busniess North Carolina Magazine - 2002 Legal Elite
North Carolina Community Foundation
The North Carolina Community Foundation enables North Carolinians of all means to make lasting and meaningful contributions to their communities.

We accomplish this through a network of affiliates that marshals resources, encourages community dialogue, and builds permanent assets that enrich the quality of life for our citizens and through prudent administrative and management services that support donors and their philanthropic objectives.
Trust Education Foundation - Speaking/Seminars
North Carolina Bar Assoc. - Senior Lawyers Division
Term Expiring 6/30/2007
MR JAMES WILEY NARRON
Organization: NARRON O'HALE & WHITTINGTON PA
PO BOX 1567
SMITHFIELD, NC 27577-1567
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Email: [e-mail]


Jeff Dellinger
Democratic Party Chair, catawba county 2003-2005
County: Catawba, Mr. Jeffrey Dellinger
3393 East Maiden RoadMaiden NC 28650
828-428-2901
[e-mail]
Industrial Hygiene Consultant, N.C. Health Hazards Control Unit, Raleigh, NC
http://www.sph.unc.edu/osherc/faculty/dellinge.htm
North Carolina Occupational Safety and Health Research Center
Jeffery W. Dellinger
Industrial Hygiene Consultant
North Carolina Department of Environment, Health and Natural Resources
Health Hazards Control Branch


Education
Western Carolina University, B.S. Degree in Environmental Health Science, 1980
B.S. in Psychology, 1980

Certifications
North Carolina Accredited Asbestos Air Monitor
North Carolina Accredited Asbestos Inspector
North Carolina Accredited Asbestos Management Planner
North Carolina Accredited Asbestos Supervisor
North Carolina Accredited Asbestos Designer

Experience
Currently, seven years with the Health Hazards Control Branch providing industrial hygiene services to the state of North Carolina
Previously, over eight years as an industrial hygienist with ELB and Associates, Inc.

Professional Organizations
Member with the North Carolina Chapter of the Environmental Information Association
American Conference of the Governmental Industrial Hygienists
Steel Structures Painting Council



John Murphy
Superintendant of Charlotte Schools, 1996
North Carolina state child nutrition director, 1986
North Carolina Department of Public Instruction's Child Nutrition Services Section Chief , 2001
Work Number 919/807-3507 (2001)
CAPCA (Charlotte Area Peace Corps Association), [e-mail]




Harley D. Caldwell
HAYWOOD COUNTY COMMISSIONERS , 2003
Jobs for Haywood County, 2003
Haywood County Political Action Group



Edward Smith
Lives in Raleigh, NC




Walter Marshall
Mr. Walter Marshall Forsyth County Commissioner
3246 Kittering Lane Winston-Salem NC 27105
Phone: [phone] Fax: [phone]
Email: [e-mail]



Ben Neill
District 10
BORN: May 21, 1930, Yadkin County
EDUCATION: Wake Forest U, B.A., 1959
FAMILY: Wife, Ann; one child
RELIGION: Methodist
MILITARY: Army, 1950-54
OCCUPATION: Teacher
POLITICAL CAREER: Mayor of East Bend, 1965-75, 1983-85; Democratic nominee for U.S. House, 1992
ADDRESS: P.O. Box 247, 305 West Main Street, East Bend 27018. Tel.: [phone]
Neill, a die-hard Democrat, says the G.O.P. is about money, while his party is about people. He emphasizes the importance of helping every citizen reach a minimum standard of living, softening violent changes in economic cycles and working toward full employment. This is his second run against Ballenger, whom Neill blasts for his stance against wage increases, social reforms and OSHA.
THE ISSUES Budget NO ; Medicare NR ; Defense YES ; Abortion NO ; Guns YES ; Gays YES ; Bosnia NR ; NAFTA NR ; Welfare NO ; Medical Leave YES
QUOTE OF NOTE: "A minimum-wage worker receives annual pay of just $8,500. Representative Ballenger earns that much in 16 days of playing Congressman."





John C. Brooks
- no information located





Wayne Abraham
finance director for a home health care company
Age: 45
Budget Committee , NC House Budget
Performance Associates, PO Box 9643, Greensboro, NC 27429,[phone].





John C. Brooks
JOHN C. BROOKS, COMMISSIONER OF LABOR OF NORTH CAROLINA, 1994
Elon University - North Carolina Student Legislature Alumni
Address? 516 N. Blount Street




Mary Rhoe
North Carolina Correctional Institution - Regional Officer
Southeastern Chairperson: Mary Rhoe, P.O. Box 1012, Goldsboro, NC 27533
Citizen praises city for stand on schools -
Ms. Rhoe said that she appreciated and supported the letter that council members sent to the county commissioners regarding racial imbalance in the central Goldsboro schools.
In the letter, the council told the commissioners that the lack of racial diversity within the city schools and the high number of low-wealth students attending them, had long been a concern of the city.
The council urged the commissioners to have a school construction study conducted to give some potential solutions. The council also said it would consider taking legal action if the issue wasn't addressed.
Ms. Rhoe said that the article in the newspaper about the council's stand on the school issue was good, but she also was critical of the paper. "It's far from the truth," she said, "rely on facts."
She went on to encourage the council to fight for the schools and said that the city was watching the school board.
"Speak out on injustice," she said, "stay united and fight for what's right."
Several council members thanked Ms. Rhoe.
NCCA - Senior Chairperson 1999
Retirees:
Mary Rhoe
706 Robinson Pl.
Goldsboro, NC 27530
Phone: [phone]




Harold Brokaw
Fund for Investigative Reporting and Editing
Harold "Cicada" Brokaw
City Council Candidates
Responses to reader questions:
Vision for the Block: Those who live, work and hang out in the area should be the ones who articulate the vision of what they want and be helped to create it. The block has tremendous potential to be an affordable living area within downtown, also to be filled with edible trees, shrubs, herbs and a community garden. A key to development of this area could be the development of a community land trust to keep the land from the hands of speculators and identifying people to actualize the renovation and building projects.

Elected citizen review board over the police: The city council could do this. Especially if we reduce its size and move toward the vision of a city where non-violent conflict resolution is the norm and where we no longer pursue, arrest or prosecute people for victimless crimes. The Cannabis question: Drug abuse is a medical and social problem, not a criminal problem. Drug use should be decriminalized and the use, purchase and sale of all natural herbs should be legalized. Short of that occurring, the city should implement the proposal of the Community of Compassion to lower the enforcement priority of marijuana possession laws.
Spending priorities: My highest priority is moving towards the vision of Asheville as a city in harmony with the natural environment. This includes maintaining basic infrastructure, services and public transportation.

Improving the educational system. Move towards a vision where students are active co-creators of their educational environment.
Photo:
Nuclear Protests
Two Asheville residents, Lola LaFey and Cicada Brokaw, are organizing a Stop the Bombs bike ride. They will depart from Asheville on August 2 and arrive in Oak Ridge on August 4, a 3-day, 145-mile ride. To participate, call 277-0758.
Local activist to run for City Council
Asheville, North Carolina, July 24— With the campaign for the local fall elections just gearing up, Harold “Cicada” Brokaw has announced his candidacy for a seat on the Asheville City Council. An Asheville resident for the past 6 years, Brokaw is an active community member in many spheres. He has been a member of the Board of Directors of the French Broad Food Co-op for two years, and was president of the Board for one of those years. He is a co-founder of the Zim-Zam Vegan Community, which models sustainable living in a co-operative household based on urban permaculture. He’s also a member of the Asheville War Tax Resisters’ community.

Brokaw’s vision of the future is one in which environmentally sustainable policies and practices receive top priority in communities. He believes it’s important to maintain a dialogue about a sustainable future in the Asheville community, and to educate people about what such a future would mean. For Brokaw, it would mean, among other things, prioritizing the re-use and recycling of materials which are now commonly taken to landfills. He mentions, as an example, the current controversy over the proposed Azalea landfill site, which would be a dump for construction waste. If a recycling plant were built instead to process the asphalt, shingles, and other construction debris for further use, he believes that the community would benefit in the long run, despite the higher initial cost of such a project.

Brokaw would also like to see a move toward the disuse of non-biodegradable materials, from packing materials to poisons. “We need to learn to live with nature, and get over this sense that we’re over or above it,” he explains. “Our culture is based on consumption and waste. We need to think about how we can create an economy based on re-use, conservation, and coexistence with nature.”

Other issues important to Brokaw include supporting local food production and promoting more projects such as the Edible Gardens; encouraging the formation of neighborhood coalitions in order to meet needs and solve problems on a more immediate local level; and including mediators, peacemakers, and nonviolent intervention in crime- and conflict-resolution.

Brokaw says that for him, “running for City Council isn’t a goal, it’s a tactic.” He believes that his perspective of sustainability and peace is greatly needed in local government. He feels that these ideals, when supported by the citizens and government of Asheville, will be a positive move in the direction of a responsible, caring, and truly transformative community.
Nickname: "Cicada"
Webpage: http://www.seorf.ohiou.edu/~ab414/cicada.htm
email: [e-mail]
address: Cicada Brokaw ,362 London Rd. Asheville, NC. 28803
"Enviromental Activist"

Zim Zam Vegan Community -
Zim Zam is an intentional community in formation. Zim Zam is a word coined to express our desire for vibrant physical, mental and emotional health. Zim Zam means being "in sync"; being connected with our world; flowing, growing and living in tune with the earth.
Our Vision for Zim Zam:
Consensus Decision Making
Non-Violence - Ahimsa
No Animal Ownership, Including No Pets
No guns or fire arms, etc... (The issue arose, so now it's in the list)
Vegan (No meat, dairy or eggs)
Tobacco Free - No Smoking - (perhaps exceptions for ceremonial use)
Minimum Alcohol (Tinctures, perhaps some occasional wine or beer)
Organic Permaculture Gardens (including an Edible Forest Garden)
Wildlife Sanctuary
Earth Friendly Buildings
Alternative "Off the Grid" Energy
Working towards Sustainability
Support of Activism
Support of Alternative Lifestyles and Sexual Orientations
Intentional Community Building Activities
Children, but Limits to Procreation
Earth Based Spirituality
Working Towards Economic Self Sufficiency
Artistic Beauty, Music and Laughter, Dancing and Singing
If you are interested

We are seeking people who may wish to join our community, people who are vegan and who share our belief of not owning animals.

send us email at: [e-mail]
or write to us at:
Lola and Cicada
362 London Rd.
Asheville, NC, 28803
or call: [phone]

We like to use letters to communicate, as Cicada is the only one who ends up responding to people when we use email.
We also don't necessarily respond as quickly to people as you might like. I apologize in advance.
A non-response may mean we are very busy.
Don't hesitate to contact us a second time if we don't respond the first time.

We are trying a new method of responding to people.
If you contact us with a sincere interest in Zim Zam,
We will call you on the phone (if you are within the U.S.).

URL: http://www.seorf.ohiou.edu/~ab414/

[Pepper32]

17. Great information. n/t

[Kellis]

30. Thanks for the Help!

:kick:

[Karenca]

11. Presidential Electors who have defected in the past:

THE "FAITHLESS EIGHT"

2000: Barbara Lett-Simmons, District of Columbia
Elector for: Gore (Democrat)
instead cast a blank ballot.
Note: Ms. Lett-Simmons cast a blank ballot to protest what she called D.C.'s "colonial status".

1988: Margaret Leach, West Virginia
Elector for: Dukakis (Democrat)
instead voted for: Lloyd Bentsen (Dukakis' running mate)
Note: Ms. Leach cast her Vice Presidential vote for Dukakis instead of Bentsen as well.

1976: Mike Padden, Washington
Elector for: Ford (Republican)
instead voted for: Ronald Reagan (challenged Ford's GOP nomination)
Note: Mr. Padden did, however, vote for Ford's running mate, Robert Dole; Dole thus became the only Vice Presidential candidate to receive more Electoral Votes than the top of the national ticket on which he was running.

1972: Roger L. MacBride, Virginia
Elector for: Nixon (Republican)
instead voted for: John Hospers (Libertarian)
Note: Mr. MacBride was the Libertarian candidate for President four years later- in 1976.

1968: Lloyd W. Bailey, North Carolina
Elector for: Nixon (Republican)
instead voted for: George Wallace (American Independent)
Note: This led to the (so far) only time the provisions of 3 U.S.C. 15 re: an Electoral Vote not "regularly given" was dealt with formally by Congress. Objections were raised by a number of Senators and Congressmen to the counting of North Carolina in the tabulation Joint Session of the 91st Congress (6 January 1969)- the two houses immediately "rose" to debate and vote separately and "concurred" that Dr. Bailey's vote should be counted as cast, after which the tabulation Joint Session resumed to complete counting the Electoral Vote of the 1968 Presidential Election. It is this result which has been since deemed to have legitimized the "Faithless Elector"- that is, since Congress once actually voted on the issue, it would be hard to claim a "Faithless Elector" had somehow violated Federal law (though, of course, Congress retains the power not to accept a "faithless" Electoral Vote under 3 U.S.C. 15).

1960: Henry D. Irwin, Oklahoma
Elector for: Nixon (Republican)
instead voted for: Harry Flood Byrd, Sr. (supported by "Unpledged" Democrats)

1956: W.F. Turner, Alabama
Elector for: Stevenson (Democrat)
instead voted for: Walter B. Jones, an Alabama judge.

1948: Preston Parks, Tennessee
Elector for: Truman (Democrat)
instead voted for: Strom Thurmond (State's Rights <"Dixiecrat">)

[Karenca]

12. kick............nt

[ahyums]

13. how many times do I have to say it this is a waste of time

Getting 20 electors to change is virtually impossible, it's simply not going to happen , there are far better avenues to spend energy on at this point, and what's more this is the one thing where the other side could genuinely make a case for saying that we are trying to "steal the election". It's a bad idea all round.

[Pepper32]

16. Obviously, people are going to do what they want to do

Isn't democracy great? That's why it's so worth saving! :)

[ahyums]

18. and obviously they can

but obviously it's a waste of time and effort which could be used elsewhere.

[Pepper32]

23. And obviously that's YOUR opinion. n/t

[Pepper32]

14. Electors names and addresses, by state. Some w/ email addresses

Florida Electors
Carole Jean Jordan
1525 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32960
Home: [phone]
Office: [phone]
[e-mail]

Thomas C. Feeney, III
28 W. Central Blvd.
Orlando, FL 32801-2466
[phone]
[e-mail]

John M. Mckay
1001 3rd Ave. W
Bradenton, FL 34205-7841
[phone]
[e-mail]

Dr. Adam W. Herbert
325 W. Gaines Street
Tallahassee, FL 32312-3393
Home: [phone]
Office: [phone]
[e-mail]

Glenda E. Hood
400 South Orange Dr.
Maitland, FL 32801
Home: [phone]
Office: [phone]
[e-mail]

H. Gary Morse
1100 Main Street
The Villages
Lady Lake, FL 32159
[e-mail]

Darryl K. Sharpton
1 SE 3rd Avenue
Suite 2100
Miami, FL 33131-1700
[phone]
[e-mail]

Cynthia M. Handley
10 Willow Green Dr.
Cocoa Beach, FL 32931-2017
[phone]

Charles W. Kane
4084 SE Fairway E
Stuart, FL 34997-6123
[phone]

Tom Slade
200 West College Ave.
Tallahassee, FL 32301
[phone]

Mel Martinez
1105 Shorewood Drive
Orlando, FL 32806-2347
[phone]

Armando Codina
2 Alhambra Plaza, PH 2
Coral Gables, FL 33134

John Thrasher
1775 Bagle Watch Drive
Orange Park, FL 32073
[phone]

Maria de la Milera
398 W. 53rd St.
Hialeah, FL 33012
(H) 305-558-5856
(O) 305-375-5856

Sandra M. Faulkner
1850 Stable Trail
Palm Harbor, FL 33703-3108
[phone]

Marsha Nippert
1520 Blue Heron Drive
Sarasota, FL 34239
[phone]

Feliciano M. Foyo
5915 Granada Blvd.
Miami, FL 33146-2616
[phone]

Berta J. Moralejo
7008 Oakview Circle
Tampa, FL 33634-2249
[phone]

Robert L. Woody
608 S.E. 12th Street
Gainesville, FL 32641

Al Hoffman
11200 Longwater Chase Court
Fort Myers, FL 33908

Alfred S. Austin
1211 N. Westshore Blvd.
Tampa, FL 33629

Jeanne Barber Godwin
46 Star Lake Drive
Pensacola, FL 32507-3410

Deborah L. Brooks
3033 SW 53 St.
Ocala, FL 34474

Dr. Dorsey C. Miller
6008 N.W. 62nd Terr.
Parkland, FL 33067

Dawn Guzzetta
106 Basin Drive
Delray Beach, FL 33483

Tennessee Electors
Lamar Alexander
208 Craighead Ave.
Nashville, TN 37205-2512
[phone]

Howard H. Baker, Jr.
403 Woodland Pl.
Huntsville, TN 37756-3808
[phone]

Lana Bowman Ball
226 Capitol Blvd. Bldg.
Suite 508
Nashville, TN 37243
[phone]

Jimmy Exum
306 E. Main Street
Jackson, TN 38301-6226
[phone]

Raja Jubran
7016 Old Kent Dr.
Knoxville, TN 37919-7454
[phone]

Anie Kent
2102 Osborne St.
Humboldt, TN 38343-3042
[phone]

Patti Saliba
702 Cherokee Court
Murfreesboro, TN 37130-3111
[phone]

Mamon Wright
1379 S. Parkway E.
Memphis, TN 38106-3724
[phone]

Nancy Cunningham
402 Oakdale Dr.
Lebanon, TN 37087-2034
[phone]

Winfield Dunn
107 Dunham Springs Lane
Suite 250
Nashville, TN 37205-2605

Jim Henry
PO Box 843
Kingston, TN 37763-2635

Arizona Electors
Joe Arpaio
6648 E. Sharon Dr.
Scottsdale, AZ 85254
[phone]
[e-mail]

Webb Crockett
1510 N. Gentry Circle
Mesa, AZ 85213
[phone]
[e-mail]

Dennis Booth
6416 E. Crabtree Pl.
Yuma, AZ 86365
[phone]

Frank Straka
19808 N. 21st St.
Phoenix, AZ 85024
[phone]

Linda Barber
1524 W. Otilla Dr.
Tucson, AZ 85705
[phone]

Paul Robert Fannin
5210 N. 31st Pl.
Phoenix, AZ 85016

LaVelle McCoy
403 East David Drive
Flagstaff, AZ 86001

Susan D. Minnaugh
4821 E. Pebble Ridge Rd.
Paradise Valley, AZ 85253

Arkansas Electors

Mildred Homan
483 Rolling Lane
Mountain Home, AR 72653
[phone]
[e-mail]

Jim Hendren
15316 Hwy 59 N.
Sulphur Springs, AR 72768
Home: [phone]
Office: [phone]
[e-mail]

Sarah Agee
11898 Sage Road
Prairie Grove, AR 72753
[phone]
[e-mail]

Betsy Thompson
448 East Gaines
Monticello, AR 71657
Home: [phone]
Office: [phone]

Pat Dodge
804 S. Roselawn
West Memphis, AR 72301
[phone]

Bud Cummins
PO Box 25061
Little Rock, AR 72221-5061
[phone]

Kansas Electors

Susan Estes
12224 Bracken Court
Wichita, KS 67206
Home: 316) 684-0555
Office: [phone]
[e-mail]

Robert G. Eastin
1811 Fairway Drive
Dodge City, KS 67801
[phone]

Richard Eckert
PO Box 157
Wetmore, KS 66500
[phone]

Mark Heitz
206 Yorkshire
Topeka, KS 66603
[phone]

Charles Hostetler
1115 Pioneer Lane
Manhattan, KS 66502
[phone]

Shari Caywood
PO Box 1515
Salina, KS 67402

Kentucky Electors
Connie S. Hayes
10307 Amberwell Park Road
Louisville, KY 40741-8647
Home: [phone]
Office: [phone]
[e-mail]

G. Richard Noss, Jr.
6030 Buckner Lane
Paducah, KY 42001-6750
[phone]
[e-mail]

Larry Joe Walden
2348 Holland Road
Scottsville, KY 42164-9101
Home: [phone]
Office: [phone]

William S. Farish
1866 Midway Road
Versailles, KY 40383-0626
[phone]

Robert B. Fearing
2275 Winchester Ave., #11
Ashland, KY 40241-2176
[phone]

Dr. George S. Beard
8003 Castle Pines Court
Louisville, KY 40291-4099
[phone]

Michael A. Shea
4722 Wolfcreek Parkway
Louisville, KY 40241-1072

Mississippi Electors

Thomas Colbert
PO Drawer 1869
Brandon, MS 39043
[phone]
[e-mail]

Ellen Jernigan
1610 Mt. Pleasant
Hernando, MS 38632
[phone]
[e-mail]

John Junkin
PO Box 1082
Natchez, MS 39121
[e-mail]

Bob Anthony
PO Box 16805
Jackson, MS 39225
Home: [phone]
Office: [phone]

Ms. Miki Cassidy
700 Peyton Circle
Marks, MS 38646
[phone]

Kent Nicaud
23441 Arcadia Road
Pass Christian, MS 39571

Delbert Hosemann
PO Box 23066
Jackson, MS 39225

Missouri Electors
Bruce Bredeman
3450 Country Road 328
Fulton, MO 65251
Home: [phone]
Office: [phone]
[e-mail]

Marc Ellinger
3220 Glenstone Drive
Jefferson City, MO 65109
[phone]
[e-mail]

John Hancock
12015 Debonnaire
St. Louis, MO 63136
[phone]
[e-mail]

Homer Johnston
10621 Langford Drive
St. Louis, MO 63136
[phone]
[e-mail]

Dennis Owens
1115 Valentine Road
Kansas City, MO 64111
Home: [phone]
Office: [phone]

David Barklage
830 Cape Rock Drive
Cape Girardeau, MO 63701
Home: [phone]
Office: [phone]

Michael Korte
5628 Easton Road
St. Joseph, MO 64507
[phone]

John Judd
34 Lemay Gardens
Lemay, MO 63125
[phone]

Al Rotskoff
146 N. Mosley
St. Louis, MO 63130

Gordon Elliott
900 E. Portland
Springfield, MO 65804

Stan Horacek
6300 E. 101 Terrace
Kansas City, MO 64134

Texas Electors
Carmen P. Castillo
6517 Sivley
Houston, TX 77055
[phone]
[e-mail]

Ken Clark
PO Box 1684
League City, TX 77573
Home: [phone]
Office: [phone]
[e-mail]

Charles (Chuck) Jones
3819 Carlton Drive
Amarillo, TX 79109
Home: [phone]
Office: [phone]
[e-mail]

Stan Stanart
17603 Mill Springs Drive
Spring, TX 77379
[phone]
[e-mail]

John Abney Culberson
Suite 237
1500 South Dairy-Ashford
Houston, TX 77077
[phone]
[e-mail]

Sue Daniel
9301 Moss Trail
Dallas, TX 75231
[phone]
[e-mail]

Jim Hamlin
1111 Redman Lane
Duncanville, TX 75137
[phone]
[e-mail]

Loyce McCarter
150 Black Jack Road
La Vernia, TX 78121
[phone]
[e-mail]

Michael Paddie
P.O. Box 801
Village Mills, TX 77663
[phone]
[e-mail]

James B. Randall
6402 Haney Drive
Austin, TX 78723
[e-mail]

Betsy Lake
16502 Brook Forest Dr.
Houston, TX 77059
[e-mail]

Helen Quiram
5613 Hawthorne Drive
Waco, TX 76710
Home: [phone]
Office: [phone]

Clyde Moody Siebman
421 North Crockett
Sherman, TX 75092
Home: [phone]
Office: [phone]

Mary E. Cowart
5123 Tidewater Court
Pasadena, TX 77505
[phone]

Michael Dugas
219 Hummingbird Court
Pasadena, TX 77502
[phone]

Betty R. Hines
1623 South FM 2148
Texarkana, TX 75501


Howard Pebley, Jr.
4700 West Lark
McAllen, TX 78504
[phone]

William Earl Juett
2400 West 26th
Amarillo, TX 79109
[phone]

Adair Margo
709 Blacker Avenue
El Paso, TX 79902
[phone]

Joseph I. Oneill, III
5 Weeping Willow
Midland, TX 79705
[phone]

Henry W. Teich, Jr.
P.O. Box 41
Cresson, TX 76035
[phone]

James Davidson Walker
7230 Wurzbach Road #2612
San Antonio, TX 78240
[phone]

Gayle West
4030 Fox Meadow
Houston, TX 77504
[phone]

Ernie Angelo
3106 Stanolind
Midland, TX 79705

James R. Batsell
1515 Whitewing
Brownsville, TX 78521

Mary Ceverha
2217 Ivan St. #1007
Dallas, TX 75201

Hally B. Clements
801 Conti Lane
Victoria, TX 77904

Cruz G. Hernandez
117 NE McAlister Road
Burleson, TX 76028

Neal J. Katz
909 Filmore Drive
Plano, TX 75205

Robert J. Peden
1107 28th Street
Hondo, TX 78861

Tom F. Ward, Jr.
1101 Cliff Swallow Drive
Granbury, TX 76048

Randall Tye Thomas
PO Box 271
Gun Barrel City, TX 75147

Idaho Electors

Connie Hansen
323 Arabian Ave.
Pocatello, ID 83204
[phone]

Oriette Sinclair
262 Lincoln Ave.
Twin Falls, ID 83301
[phone]

Phil Batt
Naugle Law Offices
1109 Main St. #450
Boise, ID 83702
[phone]

James McClure
PO Box 2029
McCall, ID 83638

Indiana Electors

Mike McDaniel
200 South Meridian Street
Suite 400
Indianapolis, IN 46225
[phone]
[e-mail]

Barbara L. McClellan
200 South Meridian Street
Suite 400
Indianapolis, IN 46225
[phone]
[e-mail]

Beverly J. Gard
200 W. Washington Street
Indianapolis, IN 46204
[phone]
[e-mail]

Marla Irving
11724 Woodstream Ridge Court
Fort Wayne, IN 46845
[e-mail]

Max Middendorf
271 S. State Road 135
Brownstown, IN
[phone]


Mr. P.E. MacAllister
4702 Briar Patch Ct.
Indianapolis, IN
[phone]

Roger Chiabai
6743 Van Buren Ct.
Merrillville, IN 46410
[phone]

Rodic Bray
9 West Main Street
Mooresville, IN 46158
[phone]

Donald Heckard
710 W County Road 200 N.
Logansport , IN
[phone]

Michael Miner
603 North Parker Street
Warsaw, IN 46580
[phone]

Virgil Scheidt
9707 E 50th N.
Columbus, IN
[phone]

Virginia Lee
7911 Decatur Rd.
Fort Wayne, IN
[phone]

Louisiana Electors

Gov. Mike Foster
3296 E. Oakton Dr.
Franklin, LA 70538
[phone]
[e-mail]

Patricia Brister
108 Audubon Ln.
Mandeville, LA 70471
Home: [phone]
Office: [phone]
[e-mail]

Michael Woods, Sr.
10249 Ellerbe Rd.
Shreveport, LA 71106
Home: [phone]
Office: [phone]
[e-mail]

Heulette Fontenot, Jr.
P.O. Box 1238
Livingston, LA 70754
[phone]
[e-mail]

Suzanne Haik Terrell
170 Audubon Blvd.
New Orleans, LA 70118
[e-mail]

Donald Ensenat
1233 Harmony St.
New Orleans, LA 70115
[phone]

Al Lippman
1025 Victor II Blvd.
Morgan City, LA 70381
[phone]

Steve Jordan
3539 Mertz Rd.
Lake Charles, LA 70615
[phone]

Elizabeth Levy
2022 Polk St.
Alexandria, LA 71301-6341

South Dakota Electors

Gov. William J. Janklow
1003 Pleasantview Place
N. Sioux Falls, SD 57110
Home: [phone]
Office: [phone]
[e-mail]

Lt. Gov. Carole Hillard
P.O. Box 9088
Rapid City, SD 57702
Home: [phone]
Office: [phone]
[e-mail]

Joel Rosenthal
P.O. Box 6
Canton, SD 57013
[phone]
[e-mail]

New Hampshire Electors

Stephen Duprey
31 W. Parrish Rd.
Concord, NH 03303
[phone]
[e-mail]

Augusta Petrone
P.O. Box 1037
Dublin, NH 03444
[phone]


Alida Weergang
2 Old Derry Road
Hudson, NH 03051
[phone]

Wayne MacDonald
11 Dickey St.
Derry, NH 03038
[phone]

West Virginia Electors

James H. Harless
Gilbert, WV 25621
Home: [phone]
Office: [phone]
[e-mail]

John McCutcheon
HC 30 Box 165
Caldwell, WV 24925
[phone]
[e-mail]

Jo Slaughter
1412 Robinhood Rd.
Charleston, WV 25314-2448
[phone]

Charles S. Trump, IV
306 S Washington St.
Berkeley Springs, WV 25411-1454
[phone]

Mrs. Flip West
1405 Erie St.
Wheeling, WV 26003
[phone]

Georgia Electors

Bob Young
3001 Lake Forest Dr.
Augusta, GA 30909
Home: [phone]
Office: [phone]
[e-mail]

Teresa Jeter Chappell
680 Langston Dr. SW
Atlanta, GA 30315-6202
404-766-4615

Winnie C. LeClercq
RR 1
Blakely, GA 31723-9801
[phone]

Brenda R. (B.J.) Lopez
4702 Cutter Mill Rd.
Augusta, GA 30907-9383
[phone]

Alec Poitevint
2001 Twin Lakes Dr.
Bainbridge, GA 31717-5237
[phone]

Eric J. Tanenblatt
3076 W Roxboro Rd. NE
Atlanta, GA 30324-2922
[phone]

Cynthia Teasley
3655 Collier Dr. NW
Atlanta, GA 30331-1531
[phone]

Charles Commander Clay
722 Beauregard Dr. SW
Marietta, GA 30064-2929
[phone]

Carolyn Dodgen Meadows
2665 Holly Springs Rd. NE
Marietta, GA 30062-6629
[phone]

Anna R. Cablik
4596 Karls Gate Dr.
Marietta, GA 30068-2022
[phone]

Fred Cooper
PO Box 52367
Atlanta, GA 30355-0367

James C. Edenfield
4040 E. Brookhaven Dr.
Atlanta, GA 30319

Virgil R. Williams
2067 West Park Pl.
Stone Mountain, GA 30087

North Dakota Electors
Gov. Edward T. Schafer
1113 N. Fourth Street
Bismarck , North Dakota
Home: [phone]
Office: [phone]
[e-mail]

Rosemarie Myrdal
121 E. Arikara Ave., #302
Bismarck, ND 58501
[phone]

Bryce Streibel
226 N. Second Street
Fessenden, ND 58438

Utah Electors

Gov. Michael Leavitt
210 State Capitol
Salt Lake City, UT 84114
[phone]
[e-mail]

Lt. Gov. Olene Walker
870 Hilltop Road
Salt Lake City, UT 84103-3325
[phone]
[e-mail]

Lewis Billings
PO Box 1911
Provo, UT 84601
[phone]
[e-mail]

Ronald Fox
150 South Eaglewood Dr.
N. Salt Lake City, UT 84054
Home: [phone]
Office: [phone]

Arlene Ellis
1496 Jamestown Drive
Salt Lake City, UT 84121-2019
[phone]

http://www.geocities.com/dave_enrich/ctd/full.html
Thanks to this site for providing electors information! This page of the site was created and last updated on 12/10/04.


Edited: Made headings bold

[Kellis]

19. THANK YOU!

and BTW...Jesse Jackson doesn't think this is a waste of time....he spoke to Arnebeck about this very issue at the hearing as a credible way to halt the inaugeration.So....Im gonna follow the man who is walkin' the walk at this point if thats ok with you.


:kick:

[Pepper32]

24. YW Kellis. GO Jesse! I support you 100% n/t

[texpatriot2004]

20. I think we should contact each and every one of these people

and tell them what we think about this election.

Another thing, we will be telling others...this issue will only grow.

Something else, they can vote for John Kerry or have the second American Revolution. Their choice.

[WritersBlock]

28. Thomas C. Feeney, III?? I thought electors couldn't be elected officials?

Aren't electors prohibited from holding office?

From the Congressional Staff Directory (http://csd.cqpress.com/Elections/house_mem/h0755.html)

Rep. Tom Feeney (R FL–24)
Address 323 CHOB Washington, DC 20515-0924
Phone [phone]
FAX [phone]
E-mail: http://www.house.gov/writerep/
Web Site: http://www.house.gov/feeney/

Full Name: Thomas C. Feeney III
Nickname: Tom
House Since: Jan. 3, 2003
Home: Oviedo FL

[Pepper32]

29. You're right. Thanks for pointing this out. Here is the Electoral Faqs.

What are the qualifications to be an elector?

The U.S. Constitution contains very few provisions relating to the qualifications of electors. Article II, section 1, clause 2 provides that no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector. As a historical matter, the 14th Amendment provides that State officials who have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the United States or given aid and comfort to its enemies are disqualified from serving as electors. This prohibition relates to the post-Civil War era.

A State's certification of electors on its Certificates of Ascertainment is generally sufficient to establish the qualifications of electors. http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/electoral_college/faq.html#qualifications



Now the question is... Is he really an Elector and if so how? If not, then I will contact the site that provided this list.

[Pepper32]

32. Florida Statutes

http://www.flsenate.gov/statutes/index.cfm?mode=View%20Statutes&SubMenu=1&App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=CH0103/Sec021.HTM

103.021 Nomination for presidential electors.--Candidates for presidential electors shall be nominated in the following manner:

(1) The Governor shall nominate the presidential electors of each political party. He or she shall nominate only the electors recommended by the state executive committee of the respective political party. Each such elector shall be a qualified elector of the party he or she represents who has taken an oath that he or she will vote for the candidates of the party that he or she is nominated to represent. The Governor shall certify to the Department of State on or before September 1, in each presidential election year, the names of a number of electors for each political party equal to the number of senators and representatives which this state has in Congress.

I am still looking for specific info on qualifying to be an Elector in Florida.

[Pepper32]

33. Are the Florida Electors Unconstitutional?

Very interesting guide... thought I would pass this along.



The Layman's Guide to the Congressional Challenge of Florida's Electoral Votes
Mark H. Levine
Attorney at Law
[e-mail]

Q: So I read that it is now "unofficial" that Gore got the most votes in Florida.

A: The evidence is overwhelming, even though very few US newspapers (mostly in Florida) feel that democracy is important enough to report on who actually won the election. Indeed, the best articles I've seen on Gore's Florida win come from the UK. See, for example, http://www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4109842,00.html

Q: But even though Gore won Florida, I guess it's too late to do anything about it, right?

A: No. There's still time. On Saturday, January 6, Congress must accept Florida's electoral state for the votes to be counted. Recall that in 1961, Hawaii's votes were also submitted in early January, and the were counted.

Q: Yeah, but Gore's already conceded. Congress will never challenge the results.

A: Actually, Gore is REQUIRED BY LAW as President of the Senate (whether he likes it or not) to ask if there are any challenges to any State's electoral votes when he reads each state in alphabetical order. The entire procedure is laid out in detail under Federal Law. (3 USC Sect. 15)

Q: How many members of Congress does it take to make a challenge?

A: Two.

Q: Just two????

A: Yep. Only one Congressman/woman and one Senator.

Q: Then what happens?

A: Each House is required by law to debate the issue for 2 hours, then both sides must vote. If a majority vote to uphold the challenge in each House, Florida's votes aren't counted, and Gore wins by 267 to 246.

Q: I thought Gore needed 270 to win.

A: Nope. The Twelfth Amendment to the US Constitution only requires "a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed." If no Florida Electors are lawfully "appointed," Gore would just need a majority of the remaining 513 Electoral Votes.

Q: Have states ever been left out of the Electoral College before?

A: Yes. In 1864, President Lincoln was re-elected, even though eleven rebel Southern states did not send electoral votes to Washington, DC.

http://www2.kenyon.edu/Depts/Religion/Fac/Adler/Misc/Gore-victory2.htm

[WritersBlock]

34. Hmmm. According to this list, he isn't an elector.

This is from the National Archives site:

http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/electoral_college/2004_certificates/index.html#fl


2004 Presidential Election
Electoral College Members
<snip>
FLORIDA – 27 electoral votes
Population, 2000 census: 15,982,378

3,964,522 popular votes cast for electors pledged to pledged to George W. Bush and Richard B. Cheney:
Al Austin
Allan Bense
Sally Bradshaw
Al Cardenas
Jennifer Carroll
Armando Codina
Sharon Day
Maria de la Milera
Jim Dozier
David Griffin
Fran Hancock
Cynthia Handley
William Harrison
Al Hoffman
Bill Jordan
Tom Lee
Randall McElheney
Jeanne McIntosh
Nancy Mihm
Gary Morse
Marilyn Paul
Tom Petway
Sergio Pino
John Thrasher
Janet Westling
Robert Woody
Zach Zachariah


I'm wondering if that other list is from 2000. I believe Feeney was a state legislator then, and the e-mail address listed for him is on a state server.

[Pepper32]

36. Maybe that's what happened but the site was last updated 12/10/04 n/t

ON EDIT: At the very least we found a more accurate list. I guess we just need the addresses to go along with them. I assume if we just follow each link that should lead to the electors detailed info.

[WritersBlock]

37. It's strange, but..

that must have been what happened. And here I thought we were onto something (although Jeb would have just appointed a replacement, according to the statutes.)

[Pepper32]

38. lol, that would have been great. Too bad n/t

[Pepper32]

35. Three central Florida Republican activists are among the Electoral College

ORLANDO, FL (AP) -- Millions of Floridians cast their ballots last Tuesday, but only 27 of them will truly elect the president. Three central Florida Republican activists are among the Electoral College members in the state who are expected to vote for President Bush on December 13th.

They are Villages developer Gary Morse, one of Bush's biggest campaign contributors; grass-roots activist Marilyn Paul, who dispatched more than 1,000 volunteers in Polk County's re-election campaign, and Cynthia Handley, a 2000 elector who has run three local campaigns for Governor Jeb Bush and two for George W- Bush.

MORE...
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/politics/florida/news-article.aspx?storyid=27243


Hmm... I didn't see Marilyn Paul's name on the list I found and posted. So now I don't know what to think. Is Feeney really an elector? And why isn't Marilyn name on the list I found?

[texpatriot2004]

21. Tell them it's their choice, vote Kerry or 2nd American Revolution

[ahyums]

25. oh great then we'll be accused of attempting to steal the election with

menaces. This whole idea is a complete nightmare publicity wise.

[Pepper32]

26. Good point. I hope they decide to vote for our true president, Kerry.

I can hope, right? :)

[texpatriot2004]

27. There is always hope for those who have courage and vision.

[rinsd]

39. Again, coupling the vote with a threat is a losing proposition....

The Dems electors may not say anything but you can be damn sure the GOP electors will make a stink in the press. It's hard enough getting any PR. Getting negative PR in the form of Drudge headlines screaming about Dem intimidation of electors is the last thing that is needed.

"Please vote for the right choice, John Kerry"

"With the malfeasance of the Bush Administration both in policy and in the recent election, we beseech you to vote for John Kerry"

Even "Bush stole this, make it right, vote for Kerry"

These are better messages(not literal) than vote for Kerry or there's gonna be trouble without giving up the spirit one is trying to convey. Christ it sounds like some cheap mob protection plot.{in my lame ass Fat Tony voice] "We think you should vote for Kerry, we wouldn't want anything untoward to happen to this country if he's not elected"

[Pepper32]

40. I don't condone threatening anyone either.

I don't think anyone was suggesting to threaten the electors. That's absurd! We were following up on the suggestions of an email (posted in this thread and another). That stated to present the electors with the voter fraud info. Jesse Jackson also said it was a good idea.

So, I don't see what the problem is, we are just letting them know all of the facts. The media will not tell them. At least this way than can vote with complete confidence. The decision is completely theirs, of course.

On edit: fixed typo

[texpatriot2004]

43. Come on folks, I DO NOT MEAN actually threatening them DUH

Sorry if I forgot to turn the sarcasm on. Give me a break. I am not suggesting this as a plan of action. I am just pointing out that they have a choice.

[Griffy]

22. Focus on Ohio.. the time is now to mobilize!! PROTEST

Ohio isthe key... bush knew it and had to defraud the state to win.. this snowball will crush bush IF thousands take to the street, force the issue, and Americans will see what we do. SO I beg you all ... go out to the streets.. tell everyone you can, put a sign n your car.. and mae plans NOW for DC in January 3-6 is the key days


WE ARE THE SOLDIERS OF DEMOCRACY! to the streets

[Pepper32]

31. Key Dates

The Constitution of the United States and Federal law place certain Presidential election responsibilities on State executives and the electors for President and Vice President.

Review the Summary of Key Dates, Events & Information
By November 2, 2004
What: Hold general election to appoint Electors.
Who: Governors' legal counsel, Secretaries of State, and other State election officials.
Read the "Appoint Electors" instructions on qualifications of electors and restrictions in the U.S. Constitution.
http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/electoral_college/2004/dates.html

As soon as possible after the November 2, 2004 election results are finalized
What: Prepare and distribute the Certificate of Ascertainment.
Who: Governor of each State, Secretaries of State, and other State election officials.
Read the "Certificate of Ascertainment" instructions for details on where / who / how to send the documents.
http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/electoral_college/state_responsibilities.html#appointing

By December 7, 2004
What: Resolve any issues regarding election recounts, controversies, or contests.
Who: Governors' legal counsel, Secretaries of State, State courts.
Read the "Hold the Meeting of Electors" instructions.
http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/electoral_college/state_responsibilities.html#ascertain

December 13, 2004
What: Meeting of Electors.
Who: Electors of each State, Governor of each State, and Secretaries of State.
Read the "Hold the Meeting of Electors" instructions.
http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/electoral_college/state_responsibilities.html#meeting

By December 22, 2004
What: Prepare and distribute the Certificate of Vote.
Who: Electors of each State, Governor of each State, and Secretaries of State.
Read the "Certificate of Vote" instructions for details on where / who / how to send the documents.
http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/electoral_college/state_responsibilities.html#vote

January 6, 2005
What: Count the electoral votes.
Who: Congress.
Review "Counting electoral votes in Congress"
http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/electoral_college/provisions.html#count

http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/electoral_college/officials.html

[dzika]

41. Red States aren't going to change the mind of their Electors

In NC, we are simply considering a press conference with the original Dem Electors to say that every vote should be counted.

There have been several irregularities in NC which have caused a lot of votes for President not to be counted. It's true that the number of irregularities could not overturn the NC Election.

In one county alone, a machine spoiled 4500 votes. The county is being re-voted but only for Agricultural Commissioner. There are 4500 people in a single small NC county that will never have the votes that they cast on Nov. 2nd for President counted.

Regardless of whether if effects the outcome of an election, I do believe that every person should have their vote counted.

Unfortunately, officials in the NC Dem Party have told me that they have "moved on" from the Nov. 2 Presidential election. In fact, one of the official became argumentative when I suggested that it would be worthwhile to take advantage of this opportunity for some press regarding the rights of voters.

The guy I spoke to is Wade Chestnut, NC Party Affairs Director. His email address is [e-mail] if you want to contact him.

I love being treated like a conspiracy nut by my own party.

[Pepper32]

42. Sigh, it seems like almost all of our Dem leaders have that move on...

...attitude. Well, I do not concede. We are fighting against incredible odds but if we give up, then what? What makes them think we will ever have another fair election?