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Broken Acorn Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 06:26 PM
Original message
Rep. Bob Ney, R-Ohio, calls it "a faux hearing"
Edited on Wed Dec-08-04 06:54 PM by Broken Acorn
Here's the response I expeceted.
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/1-12082004-413707.html

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Meanwhile, Rep. Bob Ney, R-Ohio, chairman of the House Administration Committee, said he will hold hearings on the election early next year.

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"Election reform is a serious issue that requires serious, bipartisan examination and debate. It does not deserve what we are seeing today - partisan attacks and unsubstantiated claims disguised as fact in a faux hearing," Ney said regarding

Edit:
Here is the asswipe's email address, since some of you requested I post it. Feel free to email this non-partisan (lol) Congressman.

bobney@bobney.org
bobney@mail.house.gov
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Bleacher Creature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 06:27 PM
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1. But partisan attacks from a "faux" statesman are ok??? n/t.
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ohio_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 06:28 PM
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2. Arrrrgh!
I cannot stand this man! WTF happened to him? You can't imagine how happy I am "redistricted" away from this jackass.

Somebody should ask him some hard questions about his Indian mess, huh?
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madison2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 06:28 PM
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3. Well, it was a "faux vote"
and we should start calling it that!
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 06:47 PM
Response to Reply #3
24. Faux Victory was first carried by Faux News!
I had monitored closely the ongoing election results on TV and noticed that among the three cable news channels, Faux News was the first to give bush the highest electoral votes tally. And no, not just for a few minutes before the other two was catching up, but before the others for at least an hour, as though Faux News alone KNEW what would happen.
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Broken Acorn Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 06:28 PM
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4. What a fucking asshole
I would be outraged if I lived in Ohio (but I guess I already would be at this point).
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Razorback_Democrat Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 06:46 PM
Response to Reply #4
23. Tell us how you really feel!
I feel the same way LOL
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 06:51 PM
Response to Reply #4
31. What you said -- Personified. -nt
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 06:28 PM
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5. A "Neysayer?".....
.....SO serious they'll look into it NEXT YEAR!!!F**K this clown and the horse he rode in on..
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Broken Acorn Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 06:32 PM
Response to Reply #5
11. Yes, ealry next year...
Probably starting on Jan. 7
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 06:29 PM
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6. That is Ney...
Running like hell to get out in front of this issue.

Fat fucking chance, Bobby. Enjoy the show.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 06:29 PM
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7. "requires serious, bipartisan examination"
None of the fuckin repubs on the committee showed up!
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 06:40 PM
Response to Reply #7
16. Too yellow.
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Broken Acorn Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 06:30 PM
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8. What about our 'faux' President?
What does he have to say about the chimp?
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Lisabtrucking Donating Member (807 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 06:30 PM
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9. What's his e-mail address, Please! n/t
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ohio_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 06:31 PM
Response to Reply #9
10. ..
bobney@bobney.org
bobney@mail.house.gov
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Razorback_Democrat Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 06:36 PM
Response to Reply #10
12. I just sent him an unhappy e-mail
only used he word "ass" once as why wasn't your ass there!

and faux as in faux election and faux pResident!

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ohio_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 06:40 PM
Response to Reply #12
15. Did you also ask
..why the Tigua Indians paid for his golf trip to Scotland?
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Razorback_Democrat Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 06:45 PM
Response to Reply #15
20. I'm sure it was just because the guy needed golf practice
not because they were wanting casinos or anything like that

:kick:
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #12
18. Good for you.
I'm sending him one, too. Have to do a re-write cuz I used quite a few choice words. LOL!
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 08:51 PM
Response to Reply #12
47. I sent his
happy ass an email, too. That quote ticked me off.

"Election reform is a serious issue that requires serious, bipartisan examination and debate. It does not deserve what we are seeing today - partisan attacks and unsubstantiated claims disguised as fact in a faux hearing," Ney said regarding

Dear Mr. Ney,

If this was a "faux" hearing, I live in a faux red state. I live in Alabama. You and other republicans could have been a part of this. Don't think the public doesn't realize this fact. Get a clue and stand up for democracy. When out right to vote is taken away so is our democracy. You are an elected official. You represent democrats, republicans, and independents. Please keep this in mind.

Sincerely,

XXXX
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Lisabtrucking Donating Member (807 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 06:39 PM
Response to Reply #10
13. Thanks my letter I just sent.
This election is Fixed, and I can't believe you or your party. I guess you really don't care if this election was legitimate just as long as your guy won. Shame on you and the rest of your party. The people will see through this, and you will be remembered as one who would rather disenfranchise voters then support democracy. Spread the word. People are talking and the talking is getting louder. Democracy will win.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 06:48 PM
Response to Reply #10
25. Thanks for the email address.
I sent Twit for Brains an email.

And welcome to DU, (late I know, but first I've "seen" you)
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ohio_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 06:50 PM
Response to Reply #25
29. Thanks for the welcome
it's much appreciated. :)
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Us vs Them Donating Member (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 06:54 PM
Response to Reply #10
35. What about Bob. Well, here's my letter.
Representative Nay, allow me to quote yourself back to you. "Election reform is a serious issue that requires serious, bipartisan examination and debate..." but you intend to get around to it some time next year? Sounds serious. Serious like a heart attack. Permit me, if you will, to stay on that same analogy. Were you to be diagnosed with congestive heart failure (God willing), how long would you wait before scheduling an angioplasty? It is clear, Representative Nay, to myself and to all of those present at the Conyers hearing this afternoon, our election process has suffered a massive failure. Not just last month, but four years ago. And our savior, Bob Nay, champion of the cause, has scheduled America's angioplasty for next year.

Bob, I wish you the best of luck scraping all that congestion out of the arteries that give the lifeblood to America. My fellow true patriots and I simply cannot wait that long. Get on board, man. Honestly.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 08:57 PM
Response to Reply #35
50. This is the same guy that...
Held up an ammendment to HAVA (Helping us vote, right) that requires paper trails in his comittee.

I'm ashamed to be from Md with Hoyer's behavior.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 12:30 PM
Response to Reply #50
72. Wait a Minute, What Did Steny Hoyer Do?
He's my congressmen too (we must be neighbors).
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 09:28 PM
Response to Reply #72
80. For starters...
How about suggesting we repeal the 22nd amendment? Although I admit Mr Franks is a co-sponsor, I wonder what the reasoning is?

Also it's more what he hasn't done.

He's not actually my Rep, I'm in the 6th district so I'm stuck with Roscoe Bartlett :(
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 06:39 PM
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14. He must represent some suburb. Hey Bob, by early next year, you may
just be a footnote.
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Razorback_Democrat Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #14
19. Let's keep it kicked!- put e-mail addy in original post please
if the original author could edit the post to include the e-mails, we could barrage his asswipe with flattering e-mail and he'd think he was popular all of a sudden outside of his little pond.
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ohio_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 06:45 PM
Response to Reply #14
22. His district
is freaking huge, mostly rural.
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Bullshot Donating Member (807 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 07:12 PM
Response to Reply #14
38. A lot of Ney's district is the Appalachian region of SE Ohio.
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pointsoflight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 06:41 PM
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17. Bipartisan examination? Then why didn't you participate?
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 06:52 PM
Response to Reply #17
32. Here's my letter:
This election was fraudulent from the get-go. If you want a bi-partisan investigation into the election fraud, why didn't you team up with Rep. Conyers and organize one? Now is the time to do it, not "sometime" next year. I personally want to know who won the election NOW.

If we have lost our right to a legitimate election, we have lost our democracy.

I guarantee you that if this mess ever gets straightened out, there are a lot of Republicans who will definitely lose their seats in Congress for not addressing this faux election right now. I would venture to guess there will be very few elected for either the House or the Senate in future elections. If you value your position, you had better value the sanctity of the vote.
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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 06:45 PM
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21. IMPORTANT READ
This is why I've been researching what they did this election. 2001 was when they first started talking about reform for 2004. Blackwell was also a key player in election reform.

http://www.nist.gov/hearings/2001/elecref2.htm
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Razorback_Democrat Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 06:49 PM
Response to Reply #21
26. So he helped write the law that gave him more power
how typical

he was going to resign

I guess he decided it was in his political future's best interest to become a player this way

Katherine Harris Blackwell soon to be promoted I'm sure

Unless we BRING HIS ASS BACK DOWN TO EARTH!
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Lisabtrucking Donating Member (807 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 06:52 PM
Response to Reply #26
33. We need to start e-mailing the Republicans, let them see
just how serious we are about this meeting.

If someone could get the e-mail address of all republicans on one site it would be much easier for everyone.
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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 01:48 PM
Response to Reply #21
73. Here's what Blackwell said in your link ...
Edited on Thu Dec-09-04 01:50 PM by sunnystarr
"Secretary Blackwell said elections are state business and should remain so. Universal standards should be established to assure voters that each ballot will be counted in the same manner within each individual state. "

"Secretary Blackwell warned against centralizing election administration."

http://www.nist.gov/hearings/2001/elecref2.htm

Blackwell's spokesman Carlo LaParo's quoted comments on the hearings yesterday have to be challenged openly, especially in Ohio.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/shared/news/politics/stories/12/09ohio.html

"Ohio had a great election," Blackwell's spokesman Carlo LaParo said Wednesday. He said the state's newspapers have investigated "these conspiracy theories" and found them baseless. There were Democratic and Republican poll workers at every voting place and Democratic and Republican challengers at many, he said. The election was run by bipartisan county boards of elections — each of which consist of two Republicans and two Democrats — and these officials unanimously endorsed the final results, he said.

LaParo called these charges "irresponsible" and "outrageous." Ohio had the most voters cast ballots in its history — 5.7 million compared to 4.9 million in 2000, he said.

"It's absurd," LaParo said of the charges. "I don't know that the rhetoric matches the facts."


Also, after reading HAVA at http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d107:HR03295:@@@D&summ2=3& it became evident that there were violations to Title 3. Section 402 of Title IV states:

"(Sec. 402) Requires: (1) States receiving payment under this Act to establish and maintain State-based administrative complaint procedures with respect to violations of title III; and (2) States not receiving payment either to certify that they meet complaint-procedure requirements or to submit a plan to the Attorney General describing steps to be taken to meet title III requirements. Provides that States without an approved plan shall be deemed to be out of compliance with the requirements."

And Section 905 of Title IX states:

"(Sec. 905) Provides for other criminal penalties for conspiracy to deprive voters of a fair election and for false information in registering and voting."

Couldn't the provisions in HAVA be used? Or is there some reason to avoid that?

Note edit for typo.
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 06:50 PM
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27. He gave us the line!
Start calling the last election a "Faux Election."

Thanks, Congressman!
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ohio_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 06:53 PM
Response to Reply #27
34. Freedom Fries, Faux Election
His phraseology is astounding. :silly:
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 06:57 PM
Response to Reply #34
36. Did you know...
That this moron's last name is French?

"Ney", like the Napoleonic General!

What an idiot!
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 09:01 PM
Response to Reply #36
52. Um you spelled it wrong
Shouldn't that be neigh?
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 03:49 AM
Response to Reply #52
59. NEY, was the French's general name. The spelling is fine (n/t)
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 09:18 AM
Response to Reply #59
60. *sigh* It was a sarcastic remark...
Neigh, as in the sound a horse makes!

I wonder if his daughter is named Winny?

-Hoot
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #60
78. Oops!
I guess I'm losing my sense of humor!:toast:

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JunkYardDogg Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 06:50 PM
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28. Faux Voting Machines=Faux Election=Faux President
Isn't "Faux" French for "Bulls..t"?
I guess the Repunks are more French thaan they think
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 06:51 PM
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30. "a serious issue that requires serious, bipartisan examination..."
"...and debate", he says.

No thanks, bubba.
In our experience under this administration "serious, bipartisan examination and debate" is pronounced "whitewash".
Stick it in yer ear.
:grr:
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Xenus Sister Donating Member (354 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 03:30 AM
Response to Reply #30
57. "serious, bipartisan examination and debate" is pronounced "whitewash"
I love that! I just wanted to make sure it wasn't lost.

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Bullshot Donating Member (807 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 07:08 PM
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37. Ney was the dufus who wasted all of that time removing the word "French"
from the Capitol menus which led to the geniusly-named "Freedom Fries," etc.

What a waste of human flesh! He's another one of those Republicans with family values. Had an ugly divorce a few years ago.
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Bullshot Donating Member (807 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 07:13 PM
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39. He's stalling until early next year when the House is even more Repuke.
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Broken Acorn Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 08:35 PM
Response to Reply #39
41. Maybe they'll look into this
once all the states use electronic voting with NO paper trails.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 07:14 PM
Response to Original message
40. maybe we could play a mind game with him


tell him that the same machines that gave Bush the election will be able to give the next one to Hillary after Michael Moore and Larry Flynt's new company buy up the election industry. Hah.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 08:39 PM
Response to Reply #40
42. Sequoia is for Sale
Edited on Wed Dec-08-04 08:39 PM by Eric J in MN
if you know a millionaire-liberal, tell him or her to buy the Sequoia Voting Machine Company from De La Rue.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 08:40 PM
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43. Election reform is a serious need which Robert Ney is doing everything
he can to prevent.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 08:42 PM
Response to Original message
44. A republican rep. was just on Olbermann and she was saying
there was no evidence of vote fraud in Ohio..blah blah..the election is over...

I'm wondering why didn't the reporter say "How do you know that?.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 08:50 PM
Response to Reply #44
46. Ney Is The Rove puppet who has tabled every verified voting bill for years
The guy is a lying phony who is chairman of the House Appropriations Committee.
He has let every bill demanding verified voting for the 2004 election "die" for the last two years, saying there is no money for it.
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ohio_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 08:54 PM
Response to Reply #46
48. You should see
some of his replies to LTTEs in the local papers. He is a complete bastard.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 08:56 PM
Response to Reply #46
49. no $? , I wonder what happened to the surplus the DEMS left
now filling the deep pockets of the repugs.
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 08:47 PM
Response to Original message
45. it was a 'forum' - but, hey, Ney - bring on the ridicule - because
according to Ghandi, the sooner you bring on this ridicule the sooner we can move on to the next stage - the fight.

Then we will win.


"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." -- Mahatma Ghandi
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 08:59 PM
Response to Reply #45
51.  bobney@bobney.org Yes, I will email him also

address from the first poster"

bobney@bobney.org
bobney@mail.house.gov
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IndyPriest Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 09:03 PM
Response to Original message
53. Chair of the Hse Admin Committee, eh? Hmmm....
Could the repubs be thinking that real trouble is coming their way?
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 09:26 PM
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54. The same Bob Ney
who stalled Rush Holt's bill to get paper trails? Quel Convenient!
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Broken Acorn Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 09:58 PM
Response to Reply #54
55. This guy needs to sign an affidavit
saying that he believes the elections were run accurately.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 10:02 PM
Response to Reply #55
56. And monkeys
might fly out of my butt!

This is SOP, they're fighting. Big time wasters and a bunch of crooks and liars.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 03:44 AM
Response to Original message
58. Duer Carolab calls Bob Ney
a "faux representative" of the people
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carolinalady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 09:29 AM
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61. He was invited---He did not show. End of story. n/t
Edited on Thu Dec-09-04 09:30 AM by carolinalady
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ohio_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 09:46 AM
Response to Reply #61
62. I think it's time to start
a "Beltway Bob" watch.
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Hamoth Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 10:12 AM
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63. What I sent, A very different approach.
Your comments in a recent news article surprised me. I would invite you to examine evidence that we have, which has demonstrated the nature of the delays and some other related facts regarding the fair elections issue.

I am a committed nonpartisan citizen of the United States and I ask for your immediate attention and cooperation in the invetistigations of how Nov 2nd's vote proceeded. There is ample evidence that the outcome of the election feel within the margin of error of the machinery used. This renders a result unclear and the mere appearance of the thing is reason enough to show concern.

I am afraid that your comments may have been taken out of context by a liberal media person, because I believe that you would not insult the inquiring public that is so concerned about the foundation of our democracy. I would love to hear your response to the way your comments were portrayed, and I invite clarification. Further, should you find my case for immediate concern less than compelling, I BEG the opportunity to speak with you directly at a time of your choosing to further address my concerns in person or via direct correspondence.

The article which presented your comments can be viewed at the following internet address:
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/1-12082004-413707.html

Some of the evidence that I find deeply concerning and directly related to the subject of your comments may be viewed here:
http://www.copperas.com/machinery/

I'm sure you will find these things as deeply troubling as I do. I fear that delaying action in this matter may cast further doubt upon the outcome of the 2006 midterm elections. Should that occur, I fear for the peace of our land when so many millions of her citizens are being ignored in their desperate cry for clear representation.

Thank you sir, for your time in reading this:
XXX XXXXXXX
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Broken Acorn Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 10:29 AM
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64. Start protesting this Faux Rep.
We shoud start protesting outside his office with signgs like:

"Faux Representative supports a Faux Election"
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Taming the Shrub Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 10:54 AM
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65. I sent this...
Rep. Ney,

Concerning your statements about Rep. Conyers "faux hearing", if you want a truly bipartisan investigation, why don't you and the rest of your republican representatives support Conyer's effort? Conyers put it on the record that you and your cohorts were invited to attend and contribute to this important event and that his invitation was met with derision. How can you claim that the hearing is a partisan attack when not one person from your side of the aisle bothered to show up? Please, Rep. Ney, don't insult our intelligence. We are watching how you and the rest of our elected officials handle this problem. Your obvious disregard for our right to vote is apparent. We don't need another hearing next year, we need your help right now. I implore you to join in and bring bipartisan support to Rep Conyer's endeavors rather than continue the partisan rhetoric you have engaged in.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 08:53 AM
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82. Hi Taming the Shrub!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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pbartch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:07 AM
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66. HERE IS MY EMAIL
Dear Rep Ney,

You called yesterday's hearing that was televised on C-span "a faux hearing." My comment to you, why didn't the Republican Representatives take part? You would have heard - IN PERSON - about the citizens who were disenfranchised in the 2004 election and all about the VOTE FRAUD.

If you want a bipartisan investigation into the election fraud, why didn't you team up with Rep. Conyers and organize one? You and REPUBLICANS were invited to participated.

NOW is the time to do it, not the vague "sometime" next year that you have proposed. I want to know who won the election and I want to know NOW. Just like the people in the Ukraine, we lost our right to a legitimate election, we have lost our democracy.

There may be many Republicans who will definitely lose re-election for not addressing this faux election right now. If you value your reputation, you should value the sanctity of MAKING EVERY VOTE COUNT......AND COUNTING EVERY BALLOT.

A concerned citizen of the USA
xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx
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grumpy old fart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:34 AM
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67. My email to the rethug.....
Read the AP report of your pithy response to Rep. Conyers' forum. If any of your Republican colleagues on the Committee would have cared a lick about voting rights, the Constitution or Democracy and showed up, your comments might have some validity. But since they don't, and didn't, they don't. Guess your fellow Republicans were just too busy saluting the Chicken hawk president and running the country into the ground.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:35 AM
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68. *grrrrrrrrrrrr*
------------------------------------
Would Jesus love a liberal? You bet!
http://timeforachange.bluelemur.com/
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:36 AM
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69. I suppose "early next year" is a euphemism for after inauguration day?
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 07:53 PM
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76. No, silly, get it right, wouldja?
It's a euphemism for "When Monkeys fly out of my butt." :)
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 11:43 AM
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70. Here's what I sent this poor excuse for a congressman.
Dear Rep. Ney:

I was dismayed to read your response to the forum of December 8 in which verifiable evidence of vote suppression and compelling indications of vote manipulation in Ohio were detailed by panels of witnesses. Early next year is entirely too late to engage in a postmortum of the 2004 election. You should be ashamed of your disregard and lack of respect for America and its citizens. The Republicans sent the loudest message of partisan attack yesterday with their decision to decline to attend.

C-SPAN and several radio stations carried the forum live. Concurrently, mainstream media covered stories with far less relevance such as Scott Peterson, Martha Stewart and Michael Jackson. While I remain baffled by the media silence, I am incredibly disappointed by the Republican absence in this critical moment in American democracy. This may well be the least partisan yet most important issue facing our nation today. We cease to function as a representative republic when we cannot guarantee the will of the people has been upheld.

I urge you to participate fully in the investigations into the 2004 election and the process to reform our voting systems now! I consider it your duty to help protect and defend the integrity of our votes. Please enable us to retain faith in our democratic process, a true patriot would do no less.

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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 12:27 PM
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71. Here's my letter.
Dear Representative Ney,

Upon reading your comments, I couldn’t help but be dumbstruck at the hypocrisy they contained. It is no secret to anyone that all members of the Judiciary Committee, as well as all members of the House, were invited to attend this forum. The fact that it wouldn’t have been just a “forum”, but a useful tool to insure the confidence of voters far and wide, rests solely on the shoulders of House members such as yourself who have cowardly and greedily chosen personal reward and advancement over ensuring that a citizen’s right to be heard, their assurance that their vote was counted and their right to interact with their government is not infringed upon.

Shame on you! Mr. Ney. This forum was quite important in airing out most of the “glitches”, anomalies, systematic disenfranchisement and other atrocities of partisan politics sadly evident on November 2. If I were you, I wouldn’t be so sure that the next “glitches” will not affect your own election results, or those of your partners in obfuscation.

If the citizens’ right to be counted fairly and accurately means nothing to you, if you are only in this to further your position in the country and suppress the will of the people, I think it’s time for you to get a new job. The fact that you are from Ohio, that you are responsible for tabling Russ Holt’s bill and the fact that you are rabidly partisan only confirms my belief that you truly are doing this country more harm than good.

How do you sleep at night?
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Pooka Fey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 08:03 PM
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77. *#%*!!! Powwweeeee!!!!!#%! Good letter.
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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 01:55 PM
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74. Since Ney sponsored HAVA maybe we should ask him
why he's not interesting in being involved in, indeed even spearheading, the investigation of voter suppression, precinct discrimination, probable voter fraud, and violations of HAVA. Why did he blow off Conyer and hearing/forum? Isn't he the one making it a partisan issue since it was his party that benefitted?
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november3rd Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 01:59 PM
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75. Napoleon
Napoleon Buonaparte had a Field Marshall named, "Ney." He was his best soldier -- commanded the rear guard on the Grande Armee's retreat from Moscow in 1812.

He was sent by the Austrians to arrest his old commander to show his loyalty after Napoleon escapted from Elba. Ney joined Buonaparte instead and fought at Waterloo alongside his old chief. He was later shot by a firing squad.
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 08:40 PM
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79. Did he organize a hearing on December 7??? I found this on C-Span:
<snip>
Forum
America's Election Process
Common Cause
Leadership Conf. on Civil Rights
ID: 184734 - 12/07/2004 - 1:41 - $60.00

Hoyer, Steny H., U.S. Representative, D-MD
McConnell, Mitch, U.S. Senator, R-KY
Ney, Bob, U.S. Representative, R-OH
Holt, Rush, U.S. Representative, D-NJ

What is this? I hadn't heard anything at all about it! Anyone know?

BTW, I also found this, apparently for tonight, on C-Span3:
<snip>
08:29 pm
1:28 (est.)
Forum
America's Election Process
Common Cause
Steny H. Hoyer , D-MD
Mitch McConnell , R-KY

This looks interesting. Anyone get C-Span 3?
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 09:21 AM
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84. Never heard of CSpan 3
at least they were relegated to the least-known CSPan channel. Ney spoke at the Common Cause forum on Tuesday. I didn't know anything about him, but he sounded like a used car salesman from the get-go, so it was clear he was a Reptilican
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 10:17 PM
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81. Election Reform (letter sent to Ney)
Edited on Thu Dec-09-04 10:17 PM by KaliTracy
I also sent a version of this to some other Ohio Republicans, including Kenneth Blackwell last night.

Dear Mr. Ney:

I have read your comments regarding the Judiciary Hearing that Representative Conyers invited all of the Republican members to, and which all Republican members declined to attend.

In an Associated Press article, you are quoted as saying "Election reform is a serious issue that requires serious, bipartisan examination and debate. It does not deserve what we are seeing today - partisan attacks and unsubstantiated claims disguised as fact in a faux hearing."

My question, sir, is this: Isn't this the time to become bipartisan? If indeed nothing improper happened except long lines and machine breakdowns, (which just happened to occur unfortunately mainly in Democratic neighborhoods, but also occurred in some Republican neighborhoods), then why are all of the Republican House Members so afraid of appearing in a public forum? Why did not one of you come to listen/participate before calling all of the information false? How can you possibly make that claim without hearing the evidence?

The issues that Kenneth Blackwell, Secretary of State/Co-Chair of the Bush/Cheney Re-election Committee, has refused to answer in the Letter the House Judiciary Committee (Dem) sent ( http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/ohblackwellltr12204.pdf ) are not merely "faux" incidents. They deserve careful scrutiny, and they deserve to be answered for the people -- for, lest you and your Republican Members forget, it is we, the people, that elect you all.

The number of people that were disenfranchised during this election were not just a few, not just a hundred, but numbered in the thousands, and that is just in Ohio. This is not something that is to be "expected" in an election. This is *not* democracy, and it appalls me that you and the rest of the people who are declaring the vote in Ohio a success believe it to be true. I would be just as upset if the same circumstances occurred, yet the other candidate was deemed to be elected. Would you be upset then? Would that change circumstances, and your intensity on this matter, or is this truly about free, fair and equitable elections, which you profess to want?

I respectively ask that this matter be addressed now -- jointly with the Democratic Judiciary Committee -- that all House Members review the claims, and today's transcript, and that Kenneth Blackwell answer the Letter sent to him to the best of his ability by December 10th. Election reform cannot occur if the issues surrounding this election are not considered and addressed.

You are expected to represent your constituents. Do not let them down.

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thanatonautos Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 09:15 AM
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83. Jesus fucking christ on a bicycle ...
After the fucking coronation is over, he's going to hold a
`bipartisan' fucking examination, no less. He should better shine
a light up his own piehole.

Why the fuck didn't he show up at the Judiciary
hearings if he's such a fan of bipartisan
cooperation? Fuck. If people like this can
be elected Representative, what hope is there
for the rest of us?
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 10:04 AM
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85. I bastardized several of your letters and sent one myself
This man is pathetic. How did he ever get elected?
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ohio_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 10:32 AM
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86. Well, I'll tell you....
He was elected in 1994 in a heavy Democratic area that was pretty tired of the status quo. You can do some research on the Rethug landslides around this time. People around here were very pissed at Bill Clinton and even more pissed at Al Gore because of the WTI Incinerator. Bob Ney's original district was impacted very badly by declining manufacturing (steel in particular) jobs. For the first few years he was a Republican who was known to buck the system. He was instrumental in the "Stand Up for Steel" campaign that fought against steel dumping by foreign competitors, and he fought for coal mining families who were impacted by the EPA. He rode on buses with something like 70,000 steel workers and families who marched on Washington to demand fair trade and enforcement of "dumping" laws. Everyone saw him as a pretty decent guy.

When the redistricting took effect in 2002 he was removed considerably from the solid Democrats working along the Ohio River. He became a whore (or at least it finally came out in the open) to the Republican Party and the Bush Administration. His "freedom fries" bullshit sadly resonates with patriotic/nationalistic Dems in this area. Too many still see him as some kind of savior of the steel industry. It doesn't matter that he's a whore now because he's safe in a Republican district.
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 08:02 PM
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87. ATTN: If you are emailing Bob Ney
Here is the reply that I received from my email to the slimey weasel:

Thank you for contacting Congressman Bob Ney. Your thoughts and opinions are very important to us.

Please make sure that you included the following information in your e-mail:

First and Last Name
Address
City, State, Zip code
E-mail address

If you did not include this information, please resend your e-mail with the information included.

Again, thank you for contacting the office of Congressman Bob Ney.



Contact Congressman Ney:

Offices:

2438 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515
(202) 225-6265

146 A West Main Street
St. Clairsville, OH 43950
(740) 699-2704
Toll Free: 1 (866) 4 Ohio 18

Masonic Temple Building
38 North 4th Street
Room 502
Zanesville, OH 43701
(740) 452-7023

Hilton-Fairfield Building
152 2nd Street, NE #200
New Philadelphia, OH 44663
(330) 364-6380

200 Broadway
Jackson, OH 45640
(740) 286-7630

126 East Second
Suite D
Chillicothe, OH 45601
(740) 779-1634

http://www.house.gov/ney/

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Alizaryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-04 08:40 PM
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88. Faux Bob
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