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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 07:04 PM
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HELP NEEDED: Info Linking Triad to Repubs and/or Vote Fraud for Reporter
I spoke with a Congressional Staffer today who suggested that I write a brief about what I know about vote fraud and send it to a contact of hers who works at a progressive institute (think tank). The contact wants to report on vote fraud and the staffer gave me the person's email. This sounds like a worthwhile project!

Today during the Conyers hearing Susan Truit of CASE said that the central tabulators in Ohio were built by Triad. Since the majority of Ohio uses punch card machines, vote fraud is most likely to have occurred at the level of the central tabulators.

Now, I need information that links Triad to the Republican Party (ES&S is easy - Chuck Hagel; Diebold is easy O'Dell) -- but what about Triad?

Also need information that links Triad to specific incidents of vote fraud or suspected fraud...

If you can help dig up some dirt on this -- :yourock:
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 07:12 PM
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1. Here's a start
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 07:17 PM
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2. contributions to RNC
Edited on Wed Dec-08-04 07:27 PM by merh
RAPP, TOD
XENIA,OH 45385
RAPP SYSTEMS/CONSULTANT
3/1/2001
$200
Republican Party of Ohio

RAPP, TOD A MR
XENIA,OH 45385
RAPP SYSTEMS/STAFF CONSULTANT
2/2/2004
$500
Bush, George W

RAPP, TOD A MR
XENIA,OH 45385
RAPP SYSTEMS/STAFF CONSULTANT
2/3/2004
$500
Republican National Cmte

RAPP, TOD A MR
XENIA,OH 45385
RAPP SYSTEMS/STAFF CONSULTANT
8/8/2003
$250
Republican National Cmte

RAPP, TOD
XENIA,OH 45385
RAPP SYSTEMS CORPORATION
2/15/1999
$350
National Republican Congressional Cmte

RAPP, TOD
XENIA,OH 45385
RAPP SYSTEMS CORPORATION
9/11/2000
$350
National Republican Congressional Cmte

http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/search.asp?NumOfThou=0&txtName=rapp&txtState=OH&txtZip=&txtEmploy=&txtCand=&txt2004=Y&txt2002=Y&Order=N

http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/search.asp?NumOfThou=0&txtName=rapp%2C+tod&txtState=%28all+states%29&txtZip=&txtEmploy=&txtCand=&txt2000=Y&Order=N

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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 07:18 PM
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3. Nice Merh -
Edited on Wed Dec-08-04 07:20 PM by IndyOp
I had forgotten about OpenSecrets -- if you find any more, let me know.

Edit: Also regarding the AmericanFreePress article - O.M.G.! Woo hoo!
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 07:32 PM
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6. 1998 and 1996 contributions
RAPP, TOD
XENIA,OH 45385
RAPP SYSTEMS CORPORATION
3/16/1998
$250
National Republican Congressional Cmte

RAPP, TOD A
XENIA,OH 45385
11/7/1996
$250
National Republican Congressional Cmte

http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/search.asp?NumOfThou=0&txtName=rapp%2C+tod&txtState=%28all+states%29&txtZip=&txtEmploy=&txtCand=&txt1998=Y&txt1996=Y&Order=N

No contributions for 1994, 1992 or 1990
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 10:32 AM
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30. Fundrace.org shows $ 750 and $500 this year
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 07:26 PM
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4. It's DU research I gave to Susan. Here's the research thread.
Triad does 41 counties out of 88 in Ohio, including Warren, where the lockdown was. Here's the research thread. There's a ton of data there. I'm glad Susan talked about it today. We're on the alert for Triad issues in the recount, but Susan and Cliff can really get into them in their lawsuit.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2768979
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 07:30 PM
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5. Love that thread!
:yourock:
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 07:50 PM
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7. Wow the research thread is incredible!
Edited on Wed Dec-08-04 07:51 PM by IndyOp
If you happen to have read some of this material -- can you tell me if the Voter Information System (VIS) is the Central Tabulator program -- the equivalent to Diebold's GEMS?

Edit: Addition - by the way hedda_foil I LOVE the National Ballot Integrity site, I've been sending everyone who is new to the vote fraud subject to the site!
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 08:04 PM
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8. Interesting report from 1988
Computer Science
and Technology

--------------------------------------------

NBS Special Publication 500-158

Accuracy, Integrity, and Security in
Computerized Vote-Tallying

Roy G. Saltman

Institute for Computer Sciences and Technology
National Bureau of Standards
Gaithersburg, MD 20899


Sponsored by:
John and Mary R. Markle Foundation
75 Rockefeller Plaza, Suite 1800
New York, NY 10019-6908


August 1988

http://www.itl.nist.gov/lab/specpubs/500-158.htm
http://www.ecotalk.org/SaltmanFullReport.htm
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 08:07 PM
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9. Would you believe that Triad is in Ohio, Florida, South Carolina,
Pennsylvania, Indiana, and Tennessee?

Remember how Al Gore 'couldn't even win his own home state' in 2000? Was he a looser or victim of Triad?

:puke:
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 08:10 PM
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10. It looks like we are all victims.
Election board features electronic voting systems

By Joel E. Mast
Examiner Staff Writer
7/15/03

Punch cards are passe, and the electronic revolution is on the way.

Ohio's Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell has set a deadline for all 88 counties to have electronic voting systems in place by the 2004 presidential elections.

(snip)

Dwayne A. Rapp of Triad GSI said the state has set up a four-step process. First a company must be bonded and provide a system that meets the state specification.

Then the company has to prove its system meets all of the claimed capabilities.

Negotiations on a price and fees schedule occur next followed by state certification of the voting system.

http://www.examiner.org/news/election_board_7_15.php
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 08:13 PM
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11. Well, heck at least you get a patriotic picnic basket....
Edited on Wed Dec-08-04 08:15 PM by IndyOp
while being violated.

"People who try out the new voting technology will be entered into a drawing for an Ohio Bicentennial commemorative throw, a bicentennial commemorative jar and a patriotic picnic basket."

Edit: Addition - Blackwell did not succeed in getting the vote automated by the past election the vast majority of counties did use punch cards, next most common were Opscans, and only a handful used electronic voting --
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 08:22 PM
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12. But his heart was still in the wrong place!
That 1988 NBS report warned about all of this!
:cry: 1988
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k8conant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:58 PM
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33. Looks as if TEMS is GEMS is TEMS
It sounds as if the VIS is something to do with registration, because it says below "in addition to the ballot tabulation program".


http://www.xegc.org/spotlight/triad.htm
Triad Governmental Systems, Inc.
358 South Monroe St.
Ph 937-376-5445
Fax 937-376-3078
Email: brettrapp@triadgsi.com
URL: www.triadgsi.com

Incorporated in 1982, TRIAD GSI was founded to provided quality
support and services for Rapp Systems' Election products, with election experience that spans a quarter of a century.

TRIAD Governmental Systems, Inc., is a nationally recognized corporation that is committed to providing quality, computer based systems for governmental voting units. From the initial installation throughout complete systems integration, TRIAD GSI provides a family of customers with all the training and ongoing support necessary to insure a successful system.

In addition to the ballot tabulation program, TRIAD GSI offers a Total Election Management System, which includes a complete Voter Information System. As TRIAD DSI propels into the future, they continue to strive to expand the capabilities of their software programs using the wealth of knowledge that comes from experience, and support of customers with a determination for excellence.
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VTGold Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 07:11 AM
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41. Interesting article about Triad poor quality and anti-Dem counting..
Edited on Sun Dec-12-04 07:13 AM by VTGold
http://www.fairvote.org/righttovote/hargrove4.htm

Article is from June 21, 2004
*******************************************

"Fear is a great motivator. And I'm always afraid something will go wrong," Morgan said as he lightly pounded the top of the Triad Model EX-1 card reader with his fist to keep the ballots from jamming.

Morgan said the card reader easily jams under humid conditions or when ballots are printed on different thicknesses of cardboard or are dyed different colors. On June 8, he regularly had to rerun the Democratic primary ballots printed on blue cardboard.

"Blues are usually the difficult ones," Morgan said. "I always expect there will be some problems with the cards. Sometimes they will curl up in the box."

The problems in Kershaw County paled compared to the labors that officials faced in Sumter County. Scott Vandyke, pastor of the East Dayton, Ohio, Church of Christ and a part-time elections assistant for Triad Governmental Systems of Xenia, Ohio, nearly half of the time had to repeat a run of computer cards because of bent ballots or tallies that didn't agree with precinct reports.

Sumter County voters cast 33,433 ballots in the 2000 general election, but only 30,671 registered a vote for president, an apparent undervote of 8.3 percent.

"I'm sure the problem is not with the cards. And, generally, people will vote correctly," said Vandyke.

Only 91.4 percent of the 7,486 Democratic primary ballots registered a vote for U.S. Senate this month, while 96.3 percent recorded a vote for the local sheriff's race and 94.6 percent registered for state auditor.

Why the difference?

"That is something I just don't usually look at," conceded Sumter County Elections Director Patricia Jefferson. "I don't know. I just don't know. These are good questions."

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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 08:31 PM
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13. Dwayne Rapp
"Counting those dimpled chads is definitely not right," Dwayne Rapp, vice president of Triad Governmental Systems Inc., told the Journal. "There are a lot of people who simply don't vote in every race." Rapp said he'd been contacted by Gore lawyers, who tried to get him to back their position. "The Gore people wanted me to say the Votomatic system was flawed. I won't say that. I don't believe it is."

http://www.angelfire.com/wizard/linkpagemainwebsite/election2000.html
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 08:38 PM
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14. April 10, 2003 - Yellow Springs Ohio
Push buttons vie for punch-card vote

When Yellow Springs voters go to the polls on May 6 for a special election on natural gas aggregation, they will see something new: an electronic voting machine, which the Greene County Board of Elections will be testing.

(snip)

Dwayne A. Rapp, vice president of TRIAD Governmental Systems Inc., the Xenia business that oversees Greene County’s voter registration and tabulating systems, said that the push-button system does not represent “a flamboyant change” in the way people vote. Voting “should be as simple as it was” in previous elections, he said.

TRIAD personnel and Board of Elections officials will be in Yellow Springs on Election Day to monitor how the voting system works. Poll managers and poll workers will receive training before the election, Garman said.

(snip)

Beverly Hogue, a Board of Elections official who supervises absentee voting, said last week that three people, including herself, have voted on the machines, as absentee voters. The other two voters thought the system was easy to manage, Hogue said.

(snip)


http://www.ysnews.com/stories/2003/april/041003_voting.html
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 08:46 PM
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15. Americans. Together
Edited on Wed Dec-08-04 08:49 PM by merh
Americans. Together.
One nation. Indivisible.
During times of trial, Americans stand. Shoulder to shoulder.
Hand in hand. Strength and
resolve through unity.

We are Americans united
... standing up for one another
... unified

Ed Packard - Montgomery, Alabama

(snip)

Tod A Rapp - Xenia, OH
Janet Rapp - Xenia, OH
(snip)

Dwayne A. Rapp - Xenia, Ohio
Michele Black-Rapp - Xenia, Ohio

http://www.debexar.com/americanstogether/index.cfm

--------------
Always helps to know the spouse's name.


http://www.debexar.com/ ????????????????
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 08:54 PM
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16. OHIO'S HISTORY OF CERTIFICATION GRANTED BY THE SECRETARIES OF
STATE ON RECOMMENDATION OF BOARDS OF VOTING MACHINE EXAMINERS

http://www.votingindustry.com/Ohio_Corner/ohio%20certified%20voting%20machines.pdf
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 08:58 PM
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17. Tod A. Rapp -- Psephologist
Psephology


Psephology: The Science of Elections.

Psephologist: An Election Scientist.

Our Mission
To inform and promote the Science and Application of Election Theory, Practice and Procedures.

Contact Information
Telephone
FAX
Postal address
Cyberspace, USA
Electronic mail
General Information: Info@Psephology.info

Webmaster: WebMaster@Psephology.info
Copyright © 2001 by Tod A Rapp
Last modified: October 19, 2001


http://psephology.info/
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 09:58 PM
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18. Merh -
Edited on Wed Dec-08-04 09:59 PM by IndyOp
Thanks for all of the good links.

About the Psephology website -- these Rapps really couldn't design a decent website to save their lives, could they? Nice to know what Psephology means, though.

I am starting to droop - if I keep working now I won't get much done, so I am near quitting time. I will get started again tomorrow morning.

:headbang:
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 10:09 PM
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19. By the time we get through with all this, we can claim to be
psephologists! That website sucks, but I think he forgot about it and just neglected to delete it.

Rest, tired minds don't get much accomplished. I too am calling it an evening!

Surfing the web is fun! :smoke:
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 10:14 PM
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20. Triad programmer Cheryl Belluci posts questions on a Visual Fox Pro
forum. Not a programmer so I don't know if there is anything significant. Wonder how many programmers Triad employs? Perhaps someone could check the Triad parking lot in Xenia

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Cheryl++Bellucci%22&hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&safe=off&filter=0
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 10:28 AM
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28. Stake out Triad parking lot in Xenia?
If Cheryl Bellucci is the married daughter of Tod Rap AND a Triad programmer, that would make it easier to keep secrets as it is literally All in the Family.
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EOTE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 10:57 PM
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21. Triad machines produce more Bush Votes than expected
The following is an analysis done by my father, an epidemiologist at the FDA:

I decided to look at the punch card Ohio counties in more detail.

Like my other analysis, I looked at the difference in votes (in each county) from 2004 and what would have been expected if Kerry had obtained the same percentage of votes in the county as Gore had in 2000.

I also divided the counties up into four categories:
Electronic voting (7 counties)
Optical scan (12 counties)
Punch cards by Triad Government (41 counties)
Punch cards other (28 counties, mostly ES & S)

Here's what I found:

Electronic voting:
38,377 more Kerry votes than expected, average of 5,539 per county

Optical scan:
323 more Kerry votes than expected, average of 27 per county

Punch card other:
62,406 more Kerry votes than expected, average of 2,229 per county

Punch cards by Triad:
13,369 less Kerry votes than expected, average of 326 less per county

Total non-Triad:
101,506 more Kerry votes than expected, average of 2,160 per county

So, if the Triad counties had voted (in comparison with 2000) similarly to all the other counties combined, there would have been a net of 2,486 extra Kerry votes per each of the 41 counties, providing a net Kerry gain of 101,926 extra net Kerry votes. And with the additional provisional votes that are up for grabs, that could easily put Kerry over the top, I would think.

I don't know anything about the Triad government machines, or what is their potential for fraud. But what the above analysis means is that if massive election fraud took place in Ohio, it probably involved mostly the Triad government punch card machines.

Of course, there could have been fraud in other counties as well (If the exit polls were accurate that would mean Kerry winning Ohio by over 260,000 votes, which is a lot more than I calculated here.)

Hope this helps some.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 10:21 AM
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27. ES&S tabulated punch card counties = urban; Triad tabulated counties
are more likley to be suburban.

At least that is what I hace read. Some counties I expected to be Triad were ES&S. For instance Clermont.
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Razorback_Democrat Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 10:58 PM
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22. Triad: Dwayne Rapp "generous supporter of G.W. B*"
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:NMAihi0x3CgJ:www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi%3FArtNum%3D75583+Triad+Governmental+Systems,+Inc.&hl=en

"The votes in Ohio are officially “re-counted” and tallied 10 days after Election Day, Tod A. Rapp, the man who wrote the software that tabulates the votes in nearly half the counties in Ohio, told American Free Press. The outstanding provisional ballots are only counted after that, Rapp said.

Rapp, the founder of Triad Governmental Systems, Inc. of Xenia, Ohio, wrote the computer program that tallies the punch-card ballots in the centralized counting systems used in 41 counties in Ohio. Rapp, whose sons now manage the family run company, is a generous supporter of the Republican Party and the presidential campaign of George W. Bush."

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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-08-04 11:53 PM
Response to Reply #22
23. Here is an interesting analysis listing machines
as well as totals etc.
<http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~adamsb6/elections/OhioVotingMachines_files/sheet001.htm>

I haven't found a date on it.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 12:09 AM
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24. With all the different systems in use
around the country they all have one thing in common..they send the totals to Associated Press on election night.

Chain of uploading totals would be

precinct to county
county to state
state to Associated Press

In any one of these transfers if it was electronic, the totals could have been hacked. I would think it would have to be when the computers were hooked up to transfer data. Unless they were jiggered before they ever transferred data.

One thing to think about, when Bushco was doing their own internal polling before the election, they outsourced it to another country..I think it was India. Could they have used these same people to hack?
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 09:50 AM
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25. Good point, but some of the screwy vote tabulations appeared on
the Ohio SOS website while precincts were just starting to report - scroll down this page to see links that lead to bizarre vote counts in Hamilton & Lucas county Ohio
<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=87168>

I think the vote fraud occurred at multiple levels - machine, central tabulators, maybe AP - but I am doubtful about AP.

:shrug:
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Razorback_Democrat Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 10:31 AM
Response to Reply #24
29. Veridian?
Edited on Thu Dec-09-04 10:38 AM by Razorback_Democrat
a Texas based group with ties to the Bushies
bought by General dynamics
has outsourced programmers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=114254&mesg_id=114254
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-09-04 10:15 AM
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26. todd rapp formerly president of psephos corp.
Edited on Thu Dec-09-04 10:21 AM by Mandate My Ass
Supplied votomatic machines to many FL dem counties during election 2000. Votomatic machines had some of the highest spoilage of any machines.

Unrecorded votes in the 2000 Presidential Election:

http://www.umsl.edu/~kimballd/novote.pdf

That was of such concern to the president of the company that f***ed up so many people's votes that he thought it would be a great opportunity to profit a second time for his ineptitude so he sold some machines on eBay.

Entrepreneurs are hoping to turn Florida's election bungle into a boon. Doesn't every living room need a Votomatic?

http://www.sptimes.com/News/011101/news_pf/Floridian/A_fad_called_chad.shtml

Some MIT computer professionals critiqued Votomatic and other FL voting problems.

Every Vote Counts, Huh?
It's hard enough to find candidates worth voting for, but voting
is a farce if every vote cast isn't accurately counted.

When Princeton computer scientists Howard Strauss and Jon Edwards reviewed the most common computer vote-tallying system (EL-80, which runs the Votomatic system that dominates the market), they found the software so poorly designed that it was virtually impossible to guarantee its functions.
Another computer scientist has called EL-80 "a bucket of worms," referring to its over 4.000 confusing, badly written instructions, all of which must work perfectly for the election results to be properly tallied and reported.


-- Computer Professionals for Social
Responsibility newsletter, Fall 1988

http://unquietmind.com/votecounts.html

Class Action Suit states (among other problems) Katherine Harris knew prior to the 2000 election that the president of the company that provides the stylus for Votomatic punch cards had said the parts would misalign and cause the wrong chad to be punched. Katherine did not see fit to do anything about it.

http://election2000.stanford.edu/votomaticfl.pdf

TRIAD GSI pimps its wares in OH by displaying the crap that cost Gore the FL votes he deserved.

Updating Voting Machines Could Take Nation a Decade

Any company angling for a piece of the action faces a long, tortuous road. Elections are a complex undertaking, carried out under state laws that vary widely and procedures and requirements that are different in each of America's 7,000 voting jurisdictions. Voting equipment must be certified by testing laboratories, then blessed by each state's top election officials. Sales are made by slogging from one county election board to the next. In most states, each county makes its own purchasing decisions.

Even if new orders pour in, those barriers remain. Sometimes salesmen seek to ease their jobs by pitching their wares at the annual meetings where each state's county election officials gather to keep current on election laws and practices.

For example, when Ohio election officials gathered at a Columbus hotel in January, equipment vendors turned the hotel's fifth floor into one continuous cocktail party. Riding up in an elevator, one county official checked with an equipment salesman to make sure he was ready to pour her favorite, Captain Morgan rum.

In room 531, Triad GSI of Xenia, Ohio had set up a Votomatic machine with a butterfly ballot from Palm Beach County, Fla., side by side with its electronic touch-screen model.

Ten days later, some of the same companies - and even a few of the same salesmen - were in Orlando, where Florida county election supervisors gathered. Global's suite was holding a drawing for a large box of Belgian chocolates. Hart Intercivic, marketing an electronic voting machine, gave away a 13-inch color TV/VCR. Election software maker Iris lured officials by offering a chance at a gold necklace. ''It is an extremely competitive environment,'' says Craft, the Florida official.


http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/2/14/83318.shtml

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JunkYardDogg Donating Member (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:25 PM
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31. Triad Info from CGCS
This was posted on CGCS by EvDebs
maybe it helps-maybe not

http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/index.php?showtopic=8349&st=100


More on the Triad Management Services mentioned in the Sam Brownback article above...

from http://www.buildingequality.us/ifas/cnp/bios/malca.html

""This information was compiled by the Institute for First Amendment Studies and was posted on their website in 1998. Much of this information is now dated. It is posted here as part of a historic research archive.

Carolyn Malenick
Company: Triad Management Services, Inc.
Address: 53 D St SE
City: Washington
State: DC
ZIP: 20003
Email: triadms@msn.com

President, Triad Management Services, a for-profit business whose purpose is to provide expert services to its clients – conservative political donors; former consultant, VPAC; director of development, Freedom Alliance; former assistant to North Defense Trust; former consultant for Lt. Col. Oliver North on various projects; former administrative assistant to the president, the Viguerie Company; former account assistant, the Viguerie Company; former audio service coordinator, Old-Time Gospel Hour, Lynchburg, Virginia; former volunteer, Kemp for President campaign; 1980 Reagan/Bush campaign work; 1980-1981, direct mailings for Moral Majority, Inc. Manassas, Virginia.""

Now, is this Triad above in any way connected to the voting company in OH ?

Triad Governmental Systems, Inc. (Punchcard)
358 South Monroe Street
Xenia, OH 45385
CONTACT: Dwayne Rapp
PHONE: 800/666-5446 or 937/376-5446
FAX: 937/376-3078
(NOTE: No prescored punchcards.)

This post has been edited by EVDebs: Dec 9 2004, 09:22 PM
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 09:44 PM
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32. Rapp, whose sons now manage the family run company, generous Rep supporter
http://www.nogw.com/electionfraud.html
Triad Governmental Systems: The votes in Ohio are officially “re-counted” and tallied 10 days after Election Day, Tod A. Rapp, the man who wrote the software that tabulates the votes in nearly half the counties in Ohio, told American Free Press. The outstanding provisional ballots are only counted after that, Rapp said. Rapp, the founder of Triad Governmental Systems, Inc. of Xenia, Ohio, wrote the computer program that tallies the punch-card ballots in the centralized counting systems used in 41 counties in Ohio. Rapp, whose sons now manage the family run company, is a generous supporter of the Republican Party and the presidential campaign of George W. Bush.
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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-04 10:49 PM
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34. Is this Triad Management Services related???? pls verify
Edited on Sat Dec-11-04 10:58 PM by Angry Girl
If so, there's quite a bit of election fraud-related stuff around 1996:

1. (See 2nd para)
The Secret G.O.P. Campaign
New evidence suggests that in '96, Republicans worked hand in hand with groups purporting to be independent
By Viveca Novak and Michael Weisskopf/Washington - Time cover

(TIME, November 3) -- Two weeks before the 1996 election, Democrat Bill Yellowtail was in a neck-and-neck race for Montana's only House seat when a TV ad swooped out of the Big Sky. "Who is Bill Yellowtail?" it opened. "He preaches family values, but he took a swing at his wife." Yellowtail lost. A year later he's still trying to figure out who really took a swing at him. The ad's sponsor was a nonprofit group with a do-gooder name, Citizens for Reform. But the deeper mystery was how the organization knew to air a domestic incident more than 20 years old. Republican documents obtained by TIME help piece together this puzzle. What they point to is the possibility that G.O.P. candidates and groups that purport to be independent may have broken election law by coordinating their strategy.

Citizens for Reform was really a shell for Triad Management Services, a firm based in Washington that matches conservative donors with candidates and causes.

Full article at
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1997/10/27/time/gop.tricks.html

2. How the GOP bought the 1996 elections
by Tim Wheeler
Most of the groups which served as conduits for the RNC blitz are tax exempt and therefore barred from electioneering activities. It includes the American Defense Institute (ADI), the National Right to Life Committee, the Christian Coalition, the California Civil Rights Initiative, and a shadowy outfit called Triad Management.


Also ignored by Thompson's hearings, Levin charged, were fundraising activities by Dole for President and by Triad Management which he called "a totally new phenomenon in American electioneering ..." Triad is a private corporation which set up two tax exempt groups to serve as conduits for millions of dollars worth of TV ads supporting the Republicans. Triad also enabled wealthy GOP donors to "launder" contributions to the GOP far in excess of federal limits, Levin said. "Triad undertook all of these activities without ever registering with the Federal Election Commission or disclosing any contributions or expenditures." Yet this wholesale abuse of federal law was not considered "worthy of a single hearing witness or deposition" by Thompson and his fellow Senate Republicans, said Levin.

Full article at
http://www.pww.org/archives97/97-11-22-2.html

3. http://www.americanreview.us/stop3.htm
and lots more found by googling

GOP triad management


I can't continue any more just now. Please confirm whether related Triad company...
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 02:23 AM
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35. Triad-connected money—$1.79 million – came from a group called the Economi
http://www.public-i.org/oil/printer-friendly.aspx?aid=347

Senate Investigation on Issue Ads

The recent Oregon case isn't the first time that Koch-backed organization has been accused of playing fast and loose with campaign finance laws.

In 1997, the Kochs were investigated by the Democratic staff on the Senate Committee on Governmental Affairs for their alleged funding of so-called "issue ads" during elections the previous year.

The investigation involved a for-profit corporation called Triad Management Inc., which was owned by Carolyn Malenick, a Republican fundraiser.

In 1996, according to The Buying of the President 2000, Triad was responsible for pro-Republican advertising in 26 House races and three Senate races. Triad was connected to two not-for-profit organizations, Citizens for Reform and Citizens for the Republic Education Fund. Neither group had a staff or office, but they ran $3 million in television ads paid for by Triad-related entities in the closing days of the 1996 campaign.

More than half of the Triad-connected money—$1.79 million – came from a group called the Economic Education Trust, which the Democratic Staff of the Senate committee suggested had been funded by Charles and David Koch.

The Senate investigators found that much of the money spent by Triad and another group called the Coalition for Our Children's Future helped Republican candidates in states where Koch has refineries, pipelines, or offices, including Arkansas, Kansas, Louisiana, Minnesota and Oklahoma.

While the Senate committee did not officially charge Koch with campaign law violations, the investigation did uncover a $2,000 Koch Industries corporate check made out to Triad.

In 1998, the Wall Street Journal reported that it had discovered documents the paper said confirmed a direct link between Charles Koch and the ads.

Specifically, the Journal report said Republican political consultant Kenneth Barfield, who was on Koch's payroll in 1996, relayed information between Triad and the Economic Education Trust, which ultimately financed the ads.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 10:48 AM
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43. Triad mentioned by Madsen
Five Star entities, active and dissolved, have been discovered in the Isle of Man, the island of Nevis, the Bahamas, Florida, Kentucky, and Texas. Other Five Star-related entities stored large sums of money in the Cook Islands, according to U.S. intelligence sources, and these funds were directly linked to Khashoggi and BCCI. Khashoggi also approached top Nigerian leaders in 1982 to set up a company there that would deal exclusively in minerals. According to knowledgeable insiders, Khashoggi used a company called Triad to hammer out lucrative international deals on precious minerals. In 1994, Five Star Investments, Ltd., the entity tied to Horn, attempted to buy International Standards Group ISG), Ltd., a consulting company based in Boca Raton, Florida. According to the Palm Beach Post, Horn was the person who proposed the acquisition. ISG was also the target of a bid by UMI, Inc., a mortgage banker based in Coral Gables, Florida. The
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evolvenow Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 02:31 AM
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36. Triad Senior VP to Advise Bush Re-election Campaign
http://www.triadstrategies.com/0504news.html#6

Triad Senior VP to Advise Bush Re-election Campaign
Triad’s own Mike Acker, Senior V.P. for Corporate Relations, has been selected to serve on the National Advisory Group on Labor Issues for the Bush/Cheney re-election campaign. As a member of this group, Acker will be one of several people nationwide who work closely with campaign officials on topics relating to labor issues in the workplace.

Acker’s impressive resume of labor related positions made him a desired candidate for this group. Prior to joining Triad Strategies in 2002, he served as Executive Deputy Secretary for the Department of Labor and Industry under both Governors Ridge and Schweiker. Presently, Mike continues to serve on the Philadelphia Shipyard Development Corporation and the State Employees Retirement System.

 

 
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 02:34 AM
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37. Could be outside. See this link re: Cyber war hacking by Robert Parry
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senegal1 Donating Member (489 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 04:23 AM
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38. kick n/t
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 07:29 AM
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42. I noticed outside hacking of central tabulators is 51capitalmarch uses
on their website. http://www.51capitalmarch.com/51CapitalMarchWhatHappened.shtml
WHAT HAPPENED?

In the 2004 Election
WE ALL LOST THE POWER OF OUR VOTES

The vote fraud exhibited in the November election, facilitated by the loss of paper trails and "dirty" voting systems, has resulted in the loss of trust in the integrity of our votes. While e-voting machines in and of themselves can be easily compromised and manipulated (there are ample 'incidents' of such in the November election), the threat transcends the machine we vote on. The heart of 'dirty' voting systems prevalent in 2004 lies in the computers that tabulate the votes. These 'tabulator' PCs accept and count the votes from all precincts, regardless of the voting machine employed.

Tabulator PCs, as presently designed, offer the feature of easily changing vote totals without any trace. Take away any paper trail, and there is virtually no way to detect malicious vote manipulation. Furthermore, because these PCs are accessible by modem dial-up and/or Internet access, it doesn't take a vast conspiracy involving thousands of poll workers to massively subvert the vote. A hand full of connected PCs is all one needs to alter election results by millions of votes!. This 'dirty' system has destroyed the integrity of our voting. As it now stands, our voting systems can NOT be trusted.

As Americans, we can no longer look to the next election with any assurance that our votes will mean anything. The new voting systems are so easily compromised and so obviously designed to facilitate vote count manipulation that citizens are facing for the first time a future without hope. Without hope, our innate optimism is diminished, our drive to succeed impaired, and our ability to dream lost. That which makes us great as a people and a country will disappear within a generation.

With a compromised voting system, we are open to tyranny and a complete loss of control over our government and elected officials. Without any control on the exercise of power, we now face a very real threat to our democracy and our freedom. No citizen can dare sit idly by in the face of losing all that has brought our country greatness. This is why the "You Stole My Vote 51 Capital March" is of vital importance to every American citizen.
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Silver Gaia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 05:46 AM
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39. Didn't see this mentioned,
and may or may not mean squat in relation to this, but somewhere over on the threads about Blackwell's "lockdown" shenanigans in Greene County, it was mentioned that the Triad's offices are in Greene County.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-04 06:52 AM
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40. Yes it's noted above
City of Xenia, in Greene County
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