Keith seemed to gloss over the Conyers hearing

[dogindia]

What do you think and why?

[fearnobush]

1. It was quite glossy.

And, hate to say it but he is no longer giving time to it. Some time is better than non... but After the Bev killing, I fear it's being squashed.

[Generator]

4. I thought the same thing

And nothing on his blog since the 6th. His spark is gone.

[crispini]

9. I bet he gives another blog update tonight.

There's been so much going on that needs to be vetted, i.e. Clint Curtis... I can see how that could be burning news research cycles and yet not show up on the blog or news shows yet -- there's much to think about there.

[pleiku52cab]

20. The spark is still there

but the flame isn't so high anymore. Even if its no longer a top 5 lead story, at least he is still giving it a minute or three. More than anyone in the MSM.

[burn the bush]

23. thats right and we have to remember that he's not our personal

media host. I think he still wants to cover it but does not want to be ran by it or appear to be. Plus a lot of people slammed him over the Bev thing and he didnt deserve that.

[txindy]

55. I agree with you, on all your points.

The matter-of-fact way that Keith presented the information tonight was just the right tone, IMO. No more tentative introductions of the subject to the viewing audience, now he can just report on the latest developments - the involvement of Congress and the suggestion by Conyers that there may be cause to oppose Ohio's electors. Wow! That wasn't enough? Let's take this Congressional inquiry on the road to Ohio in response to the reports of massive irregularities in the election there.

This is all astounding news to the majority of viewers. We forget, sometimes, just how informed we are here at DU. Keith has to address those viewers coming from an entirely different place: the vast wasteland of MSM. Some of them may even have tuned in just to find out what's up with a report about tomatoes. Hook 'em, first, and then teach 'em. Whatever works.

I thought the report tonight went extremely well, myself.

[Dark Secret]

59. Don't Underestimate Keith. He's Done More than Everyone Else Combined. n/t

[spotbird]

2. The Coyners hearing may not have been this movements

finest hour.

[WilliamPitt]

3. Why do you say that?

[IAMREALITY]

6. I wouldn't sweat it

Remember, For every 100 that support a cause righteously, theres 1 that doesn't :)

The hearings were an incredible part of this unfolding story and I was quite inspired watching them.

As for KO, he still totally rocks!

[rdmccur]

52. I agree 100%

And Olbermann is the only news I've seen cover it so far.]
I thought he did a decent job. Remember he's got to working under some constraints on this stuff.

[spotbird]

39. Speaking from a view where my attention was not focused,

and I missed the first part, with most of the rest heard and not viewed.There should have been some vetting of the witnesses. Those who testified should have been respectful of the procedure, since both didn't happen presentation was woefully lacking.

Further, without debating specifics, some of the witnesses made the movement look loony. It was frustrating since we have so many articulate spokespeople.

Understand that I also believe that important points were made and articulated well, but allowing some of what went on discredited the good.

[alittlelark]

7. I thought it was awesome....

aside from a couple of flaky-looking questioners.

[meganmonkey]

Seems to me that the hearing is this movement's 1st and only hour

up to now...granted the movement has a long way to go, but some amazing people were heard from today. You gotta start somewhere!

[spotbird]

41. Boy, I hope it was a dress rehearsal.

There are people whose heart is in the right place that need tutoring in presenting a forceful, respectful presentation. There was way too much fighting with those who are supportive and we should not alienate.

[meganmonkey]

45. Most things don't start out all shiny and perfect.

I don't mean to be argumentative, but IMHO this is the very beginning of a major movement. It's gonna take awhile to work out the priorities, and it's gonna take a lot of different kinds of people with different personalities. The message will become more cohesive. The time frame sucks, since we don't have time to perfect the message, but there is no major spin machine behind this. It's organic and it has to happen RIGHT NOW whether it's media-pretty or not.

[spotbird]

47. The Republicans would have made certain that

the presentation made a major media case was one with which everyone would agree. We have a position that, if presented well, anyone would agree is patriotic, the public just needs to hear it.

We have truth, they have salesmanship, if we could just sell the truth well we'd win.

[meganmonkey]

48. Again - honing the message takes time

and a hell of a spin machine. People who watch C-span are looking for more than a 10 second sound bite. It's not like it was televised on all the major networks during prime time. This panel had some very respected politicians on it. Why are you trashing the first major public step of this movement? What, exactly, would you have done differently at this point in the battle? This isn't like an election, trying to sell candidates to people. This is a legal battle and it's more nuanced than that.
And as far as the Republicans, they are lying, manipulating, cheaters and -this just in- LOSERS who only won because they cheated. I don't really want to take my cues from them.

[troubleinwinter]

25. I don't understand your comment.

The panelists were excellent. Stunning testimony.

It looked as though they entered reams and reams of data/reports/testimonies into the records.

The committee congressmen were there to hear the evidence and testimony. They seem VERY serious about the matter at hand.

If a few of the public questioner folks did not come off well, I am sure these congressmen are used to it.

YES, I DO THINK THIS WAS A FINE HOUR FOR THE MOVEMENT.

What do you mean by your comment???????

[jamboi]

28. Huh??? The Conyers forum rocked! Electrifying. KO was ok tonight.n/t

[dogindia]

34. Conyers hearing did rock

massively. Wish he did not have to rush questioners. Difficult to run this kind of thing. I was so happy with the event. The speakers were awesome. I guess I wanted KO to cover it to really address the positiveness...the pressure opened and that this important topic was out.

[spotbird]

43. We need credibility, and the hearing didn't

seem to promote it.

Conyers was a saint. This side should have taken the opportunity to put its best foot foreword.

[MarkusQ]

46. Not our finest hour perhaps

But it had some darned fine moments. Like the woman who asked why we should let them send our children off to war if they weren't even going to bother counting our votes.

--MarkusQ

[reality_bites]

63. I agree

First, this was not a hearing, it was a forum.

A hearing would have been balanced (not because I say so, but because it's a requirement of the hearing process.) Beleive it or not, there are a lot of people (even right here on DU) who don't see fraud on a massive scale. A hearing would have had to include testimony from such people. Thus, if you step outside your DU skin, just for a moment, and view todays forum from the perspective of a sceptic or someone that was not even aware of the fraud allegations, you may conclude as I have, that the forum appeared (and was) highly partisan.

In terms of convincing the sceptical or presenting the story in a convincing manner to people not yet aware of the fraud debate, the forum was a failure (in my opinion.)

[crispini]

5. Well, he did hit the key points

- Going to Ohio
- Possibility of rejecting electors.

And they did actually send Monica N. to go up there and cover it.

But, yeah, he didn't show as much of it as I'd hoped....

[Cobalt Violet]

8. Perhaps he has been threatened.

With job loss. Or death threats. :shrug:

[WilliamPitt]

10. ...or perhaps

the Bev harris collision left a bad taste in his mouth. Maybe he thinks we're all over the high side.

[crispini]

16. Oh, I HOPE NOT...

But I wouldn't be surprised if it had put him off a bit.....

[Patsy Stone]

57. This is clogging his Inbox big time.

Of this I have no doubt. I, myself, am responsible for four e-mails. With all of us here, let's do the math. Imagine also the real leads he's getting that aren't from us. There may be lots of people sending him stuff as an outlet.

I wouldn't be surprised if he's easing back. Our intensity is a bit overwhelming I'm sure. Couple that with the Bev thing, and it's a natural course of events. As someone above mentioned, he's not our personal journalist. Although I'll always think of him that way. :)

I didn't see the show tonight, but imagine what a pain in the ass we all must be...

[crispini]

65. Yeah, that's why I try not to email him.

and send my "pats on the back" to the generic Countdown email inbox rather than his. It's not as much fun :loveya: but I know I'm not bugging HIM.

[Patsy Stone]

66. delete

sorry

[dogindia]

12. cobalt

seems like something is weird. Got to be hard in the old MSM land. This is big. Hard because power is held by people who don't want it outed.

[Im with Rosey]

26. While watching KO

it occurred to me that perhaps part of it is that some of this stuff has to be spoon-fed. It also is a thought that if KO was too over the top he might lose some of the just on the edge people. Frankly, I'm happy the woman who was so outspoken and rude wasn't plastered all over the report. I think he is just treading lightly so as not to come off too one-sided.

[Clark2008]

13. Perhaps he realizes that without Republican

support - or at least involvement - this isn't going anywhere.

Last night, I did write that bitch they interviewed tonight - Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) - and told her that if she kept playing the partisan card, she would go down in history as someone who put party over democracy and that our democracy is worth more than her party or any other party, for that matter.

Apparently, judging from her interview ("it's just a bunch of conspiracies!"), she didn't get my note.

Wonder if I should move to her district and raise cain for her?

Probably not - I'm actually considering getting out of this God-forsaken red state. It's really miserable here. There's not any decent jobs or, hell, even anyone decent to date.

[Karenca]

18. Come to New York City!!

:toast:

I 'll never leave.
Unless I have to go to Canada.

[Clark2008]

22. You know, Karenca,

I have a very saavy 5-year-old who, on the morning after the election, begged me to move to New York City. He said, while he likes the color red, he wants to live where it's blue.

:)

[Karenca]

14. Or the murder of his dog nt

[crispini]

15. Ya know, Randi was saying she'd been pressured.

I didn't hear it myself but other thread mentioned it. She was discussing it anyway apparently though.

[Clark2008]

17. Pressured by whom to do what?

Did she say?

[crispini]

19. To not discuss vote fraud. n/t

[Cobalt Violet]

30. I heard it today.

She said it. She didn't elaborate on it.

[JPace]

11. [e-mail] (if you want to thank him for the coverage)

[rodeodance]

56. thanks, I will email a thank you also to KO

[e-mail]

[crispini]

21. His top story is the tomato shortage?

My... how... fluffy of you, Keith.

[Karenca]

24. KO probably did get threatened--after Rechtenwald went off on that

dipshit Murdii on Scarborough Country last night, I bet they all got warned.

[dmac]

32. I actually had a reply to my email to

Michael Rectenwald last night. Wow. I was impressed. Nice guy. Said he has only just begun . . .

THAT we NEED!

[pacalo]

40. I got a reply, too. :)

Thanks for your support, and for sending a letter to Scarborough Country.

Letters such as yours are driving a push for more appearances. More evidence of fraud will be revealed on national TV and, eventually, we will demand a revote.

[dmac]

44. Mine said:

"Thanks. I'm not done yet. More time and coverage and I will start demanding a revote. Please write MSNBC and thank them for having me on and ask for more, and in return, I promise more revelations for the nation."



CLASS ACT! And I particularly like that he speaks of a REVOTE, not just a recount, and certainly not a recount that won't "count". I hope his optimism is contagious and helps him to tear down the obstacles he is going to meet, one brick at a time. Very encouraging.

[Karenca]

62. I had a reply too, and I saw on another poster say he

received one too...He is awesome!

HERE'S HIS EMAIL:

Thanks, Karen! Please write MSNBC and ask them to have me again. I will go
even further, and demand a Ukraine-like revote!

Cheers,
Mike.

[bleever]

27. Respectfully disagree; I thought it was great because

who better (or more deserving) than KO to hold America's hand and take it inside a congressional hearing room to hear evidence regarding the uncertainty of this presidential election.

And KO leads with the point that up to now, we've all been saying that nothing can effect the outcome of this election, but that today that changed when Conyers talked about possibly contesting the election.

These are big, knock-your-socks-off moments! We're all so saturated with details that we easily forget that things like this are MAJOR steps forward in the national conversation for us.

We didn't need him to run through all the details. We needed him to say, "More on the growing clamor over the still-in-progress presidential election; now to Capitol Hill." And nary the slightest mention of tin-foil.

And he did! Big round of applause. It's been a great day.:7

[Karenca]

29. bleever, looking at this from your point of view

You're very positive----you've changed my mind.

[VTGold]

31. Very true...

...No one I know would know this stuff was going on if it weren't for me.

[crispini]

33. Good point. n/t

[SaveAmerica]

35. I agree, just enough info in my opinion..

I guess since I got nothing from NBC nightly news, it was very good to see that Keith reported it - and that they touched base on the most important parts of the forum and with an extra one on one interview with Conyers at the end. I've watched my last news program on NBC, it's very sad that PaleMale was evicted from his home on fifth avenue but I was very upset that that story made the line-up and thousands of people not having their voice heard in the election got nothing.

[dogindia]

36. yes.

I think you may be right b.

[understandinglife]

38. Precisely; thank you (n/t)

[Patsy Stone]

37. A friend told me today

that he heard there was going to be a recount in Ohio. This is a person who is so far under a rock you wouldn't believe it; he lives in his own scientist world. We live in the world of minute by minute updates and minutae. If he's heard it, it's out there.

Didn't see Countdown since we were out to dinner with said science geek, but if I can stay awake, maybe I'll catch the rerun. I still have to watch the forum, it's on tape, but I heard it streaming at work. As I said earlier on another thread: I've never felt like as much of a wonk as I did today when I set my VCR to record C-SPAN. Love the Span.

I have no idea where this will go, or if anything will happen, but the fact that this much happened, and that Blackwell and Mitofsky were no shows, makes me think we haven't heard the last of this yet.

I am very interested to see Arnebeck's suit. That's gonna have to be a doozy to get an Ohio SC Justice to set aside the Ohio results.

Sad that we are the minority party, sad that the Repugs didn't even think this was worthy of a hearing. Not surprised, just sad. It shows that the Congress really is split along party lines and no matter how important the topic of voting is, they wouldn't dain to come.

[AmerDem]

42. Olberman did cover the most important part of the hearings

Where Conyers made the comment about possibly contesting the electorate. Could be Olberman is waiting for the next step which should be covered more mainstream. Once this recount gets under way it wont take them long to find the dirt and just imagine if in fact Conyers does contest. That would shoot this story right to the top.

[Shopaholic]

49. He hasn't updated his blog in days either. . .

something is distracting him from this story apparently, but what--who knows?

[crispini]

51. Maybe... OTHER aspects of this story?

Here's hoping.....

[Clark2008]

54. Well, his dear friend has just been released

from the hospital following his and his son's survival of a plane crash (Ebersol).

Maybe he'll get back and blog once he's made sure his friend is OK.

:shrug:

Really, I don't know. I think he'll be back. He's probably just feeling a bit of burn-out. It happens.

[Patsy Stone]

50. Next time someone writes to him...

Please politely let him know that that caricature for "Bloggermann" is baaaaad. I mean, if we can instigate Congressional questions, can't we get that damned thing changed? :)

[ValleyGirl]

53. I must agree

I didn't care much for the Countdown coverage today (or at all the last couple of days to be honest). :( But still love Keef for atleast covering it all though. :pals:

[Patsy Stone]

58. New Blog from KO...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240/

[Shopaholic]

60. Yes!

:bounce:

[AmerDem]

61. Thanks for the update

Seems like Conyers has already backed away from his words. I'm not surprised. I guess he felt the need to throw a bone to the average everyday working folk that showed up with passion and fire in their eyes. Now that they are out of site it's time to fall back into the ole Dem leadership way of doing business.

[organik]

64. infinitesimally small

KO remarks, "...for the formal challenge to get anything but token support in the Senate and the House, there would have to be overpowering, dramatic, conclusive, evidence to suggest not merely a sour vote but one so screwed up that it could produce a different outcome. And the likelihood of such evidence turning up in the next month is infinitesimally small."

infinitesimally small? I think monumentally huge is more like it!

I've got plenty of info, statistical anomalies, voter suppression, Ohio was DEFINITELY not legit.


http://2004electiontheft.com

[Patsy Stone]

67. Someone on the Bloggermann thread

pointed out that the chances have gone up: from impossible to "infinitesimally small". :)