How come.....we have "accurate" exit poll data on Moral Values...

[VTGold]

...when supposedly they were the same exit polls as the ones asking "who did you vote for"?

They can't have it both ways - "moral values" can't be right if "who did you vote for" isn't.

[helderheid]

1. KIIIIIIIIIIIICCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKK

[berniew1]

22. So what are the moral issues? Blessed are the peacemakers? poor?

Which candidate was on the moral side of things?
Who's consistent with these from Bible
Blessed are the Peace Makers. Blessed are the poor. etc.
Do unto others as you would have others do unto you.
Turn the other cheek.
Torture.
etc.

[RaulVB]

2. OMG!!!

That is an excellent point!!!

[Kota]

3. This continues to bother me. Everytime they bring it up.

I think it means Kerry voters voted on values.

[intheflow]

6. And the values weren't about clamping down on gay marriage.

They were about Iraq, vet benefits, the blossoming deficit, and the million other ways chimp is squashing the American dream.

[helderheid]

7. I voted him for moral values

I happen to think the moral thing to do is give more money to the poor and less breaks for the rich. Healthcare is a good thing and moral to have everyone covered to get it. Moral to change the war (I say get us the hell out now). I think bigotry is a moral issue, so I voted for Kerry since he isn't one. Yes, I voted for moral values. :)

[Kota]

15. You are so right.

I like to tell my repug friends(yes I have some) that I have moral beliefs. Especially one that is real religious. It drives them crazy.

[bmoney07]

4. Very good question

Kicking!

[livvy]

5. Good Question!

Why do they think they can have it both ways? Either the polls were wrong or they were right. Why does the press and general public buy one part of the polls, but not the fact that Kerry was winning? The problem is the final polls, not the raw data, was doctored, to match the outcome of supposed vote. So without the raw data, the original data, there is no discrepancy.

[SueZhope]

8. I remember

Keith O brought up this question up on one of his blogs
at somepoint...or it could have been on his show, not sure .

Any one remember that?

[weeve]

9. There is nothing MORAL ...

... in this pack of War Criminals illegaly inhabiting the White House.
Wish more Americans had "Ukranian Values" !

[atxryan]

10. we're told now not to trust exit polls? WTF!!!

This is a point I bring up often in discussions over this election. Exit polls have been accurate for some 80 years to within 0.5% each time. Then, all of a sudden we're told and expected to believe that they are now wildly inaccurate in 2004 and 2002. WHY??? At the same time we're told that exit polls are unreliable, we're told that based on exit poll data Bush was reelected by 'moral values' voters... WHAT GIVES???

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

14. you can't trust exit polls except when you can

also--all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.

[jsascj]

11. Excellent question.

The answer.....EXIT POLLS WERE RIGHT!

[intheflow]

12. There was only one exit poll on "moral values," but

the voting exit polling was conducted through out the nation. So while I agree with your premise, that one exit poll has been touted as authoritative while others were "flawed," it's not an argument that carries any weight because people who know nothing about exit polls will say the national polls were right picking Buch. (Not that they indicated that, I know, but that's what people think.)

Sadly.

Someone here on DU gave the most plausible explanation of the voting poll discrepancies I've heard so far. People went in thnking they voted for Kerry, but in the end, their provisional ballot got thrown out, the machine registered their vote as a Bush vote, the machine ate their vote, etc., etc., etc.

[Karenca]

13. That is an excellent point!!!! KICK!!!!!! n/t

[Dr Ron]

16. True, but not a unique view

The initial reports based upon moral values from exit polls have been debunked on a number of levels. I don't think anyone really takes those numbers seriously any more.

Other problems with them include the fact that they lump a number of issues together--if abortion, same sex marriage, and stem cell research were three separate issues, each would be a much small er number.

Open ended questions also showed moral values to be much lower when polled about four days later, despite all the talk about moral values. Apparently when many people saw this they felt compelled to pick the choice, but it wasn't really top on their minds. It is also not clear if everyone who picked moral values really meant conservative values

LA Times polling data also shows that the number of people who vote based upon conservative moral values has not changed signifcantly from previous elections.

[mdb]

17. It's morally right to believe in moral exit polls.

This is never brought up when Repubs bring up moral exit polls. Good point.

[BR_Parkway]

18. Look at the forms, all one or two page forms that they were filling

out. Also some different for each state.

http://www.exit-poll.net/election-night/Nat_Final.pdf looks like 4 different Nationals, some don't even ask about Moral Values, some ask if you are born again or evengelical.

http://www.exit-poll.net/election-night/Final_State_Questionnaires.pdf


Also, interesting from the website:

How do absentee votes affect projections?
In a number of states significant numbers of voters cast their ballots before Election Day. They either cast an absentee ballot or they vote at precincts set-up for voters in the weeks leading up to the election. These absentee/early voters cannot be included in the Election Day. Instead, they are interviewed by telephone shortly before the election. They are asked the same questions as voters interviewed in the exit polls. For the 13 states where absentee voters will be sampled by telephone their results will be combined with those of Election Day voters.

[Dolphyn]

19. The exit polls were corrected to conform

to "their" reality. Therefore, the "corrected" data is right.

:crazy:

[elizm]

20. Love it.!!!!

I had to laugh out loud on that one!! I like the way you think!

[terry4kerry]

21. okay when it works for them.......

Yes, I think it is very strange that the exit polls are okay when it skews the information their direction, and disregarded when it doesn't. Come on guys, you can't have it both ways!