Kerry Visits Iowa

[seito]

It was his first trip back since the election. Kerry's birthday is Saturday. He said his wife asked what he wanted. He said 55-thousand votes in Ohio. That total would have won him the state and won him the election.


http://www.whotv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2679149


Hmmm... I wonder if he will get a belated birthday present on Monday

:party:

[Maat]

1. Maybe he will.

I'm praying and praying.

[Jack_Dawson]

2. Iowa wouldn't win him shit

would it? I thought it was all about OHIO and BLACKWELL.

[jamboi]

4. Yeah, that's what seito said. nt

[seito]

5. Go back and read the quote

The remark was made at an address to supporters this evening. It is in reference to Ohio.

[JI7]

8. he was talking about Ohio

[m.standridge]

31. BY ITSELF, it wouldn't. but we sort of need a "paradigm shift"

in Democrat thinking this time.

There's this whole thing with the Electoral College, and how it works, that Dems need to step back and look at this time, and we don't have much time, but here it is:

Electoral College helps most in the little states.

Arkansas, Iowa and New Mexico add up to 18 Electoral votes, that would put Kerry into the White House!

Or: Colorado, New Mexico, and Nevada = 19 Electoral votes, again, a win.

or: Iowa, Colorado, NM or NV or both = over enough Electoral

Do you get the idea? This whole thing of all eggs in one basket is risky and it's not just Florida out there besides Ohio.

They had vote problems in all of those states, and I'm not sure how any of them turned out. AR, here, was very close on election day--"48% to 48%" according to local CBS tv affiliate KTHV. The SurveUSA poll conducted here on 11/01 showed Kerry the lead among "probable" votes, 51 to 40-something percent.
Clinton started campaigning for Kerry last minute, and pollsters here said Kerry may have finally begun to "pull above 47%" which he hadn't done before, even though AR was the only Southern state, besides Florida, in which Kerry had sometimes LED Bush. Women who'd previously said they were "unlikely" to vote this time, began to say they were going to vote and would vote for Kerry. This after Clinton. In other words, Vietnam was the issue important to unethusiastic women. I think this is a valid reason to look at AR, just in itself, but there are at least two other things
1. We had an electrical power failure here in LR, the largest city, on election day
2. The SOS is having to be late tabulating and certifying due to glitches and human errors that have affected, already, over 50,000 votes in just two sizable counties. That's not counting the other 75.

Meanwhile, in Boulder County, CO, they've had reports of a similar bogus GOP "get out the vote" drive that tore up Demo registrations similar to the one found in NV. And Boulder County was close and had computer break downs and a slow tally.

And, New Mexico is going to be recounted.

And, that about Florida and the Democratic Congressman there who is having the FBI investigate the GOP memos to each other in e-mails to plan to alter or manipulate votes in FL.

So, we need a paradigm shift, if we can do it fast enough. Iowa was 10,059 votes Bush lead, with 4000 dead people listed on the voter registration rolls, according to a recent AP article. What was that about 50,000? Half of the 119,000, etc., in OH. Apply that to Iowa--it's only a little over 5,000 votes. It's possible a recount to turn up 1000 Kerry votes among the Disqualifieds or Provisionals, then what about the 4000 dead people, how many "voted" GOP, and were there any glitches there?

[m.standridge]

32. This small state stuff would also help with the media and politically

The more states Kerry carried, the stronger the Dems are politically. And the "spread" would give more credibility to the idea of an election mishandled.
Small states are inexpensive to recount, and even if only part of them turned around, it would be worth it in the political capital the dems pick up.

Again, we need a "paradigm shift" here.

[Pachamama]

3. My daughters' B-day is Monday...I'll give her birthday wish to him.....

That the Electoral college votes are for him....

:party:

Happy B-Day John! :hug:

[seito]

25. Perhaps we can set up a Birthday Wish Fund

My Dec 2nd wish was for a new President. If we collect enough birthday pledges it is bound to have an impact.

:party: :bounce: :party: :bounce: :party: :bounce: :party: :bounce: :party: :bounce: :party: :bounce: :party: :bounce: :party: :bounce: :party:

[dmac]

6. Have I missed something here?

I was away all day today - how could he get a late present on Monday? Is something happening on Monday? I know the electors cast their votes but we have already seen the final tallies and they won't be giving their votes for Kerry. Is something more happening on Monday?

[politicasista]

7. A lot of our fellow DU peeps aren't going to be happy about this...

Kerry Pays Nostalgic Visit to Iowa

1 hour, 21 minutes ago
By MIKE GLOVER, Associated Press Writer

DES MOINES, Iowa - John Kerry (news - web sites) paid an emotional return visit Friday to the state that launched him toward his party's nomination for president, saying he felt "an unbelievable wave of nostalgia."

"This was my home, right here in this hotel," said Kerry, who stopped off in Iowa on his way to a family vacation in Sun Valley, Idaho.

It was Kerry's first visit to the state since he lost the White House Nov. 2.

Kerry noted that it was one year ago that his campaign for the Democratic nomination began to rise from the ashes. He was discounted by many toward the end of 2003, with his campaign sharply divided and lagging badly in the polls.

He managed to turn that around in the final two months before Iowa's caucuses. And a surprising win in January gave his campaign huge momentum. It also knocked Missouri Rep. Dick Gephardt (news - web sites) from the race and badly dented then-front runner Howard Dean (news - web sites).

Kerry said it was last December he began to feel the momentum growing.

"People were beginning to get cooking and you were starting to pay attention," he said.

Kerry warned that Democrats must not let Republicans label themselves the party of values.

"If they want to talk about values, let's talk about them," Kerry said. He said the real values are good-paying jobs and offering health care.

"Does it hurt to lose?" Kerry asked. "You bet it does.

Kerry mingled with activists from the largest state worker union and greeted prominent supporters at a private reception at a Des Moines hotel. He made a similar trip to New Hampshire to thank supporters in that state.

Kerry insisted the only reason for his return to Iowa was to thank supporters, but the focus at one point turned to the future when his wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry, made a reference to "whoever is up in '08." The crowd then began chanting Kerry's name.

"Whoever's up in '08 will not be running against the president, which is a blessing," she said.

He still should pay a suprise visit to Ohio. He conceded too soon. It sounds like he is ready to move on.

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[politicasista]

42. My bad..

[seito]

10. Read about it here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x137659

[JI7]

11. a distant hope that a certain amount of Bush votes are really Kerry votes

if at least about 55 thousand votes that Bush has in ohio were found to be really Kerry votes it would give him Ohio.

i don't think they really think it's going to happen. but more of something they wish and would like to happen.

[zann725]

22. You all need to re-listen to the Judiciary Hrg from last Monday...

in particular Atty. Bonifaz re: "Second Set of Electoral Votes" in Ohio. AND listen to a replay of Randi Rhodes' show today, on which Atty. Cliff Arnebeck is confident his Complaint to be filed in Ohio Monday will prove that Kerry WAS the winner in Ohio!! In the hearings in Ohio last Monday, he said he "could prove Fraud." Now he's upping the ante.

We all need to remain optimistic, and know that Mr. Blackwell's allowing Electors to vote on Monday is illegal...as long as votes are still being counted...according to Ohio law, and both Bonifaz and Arnebeck.

And when Teresa Heinz said "who's 'up' in '08 won't be running against the President..." she did NOT specify WHO the President in '08 would be. If Kerry DOES become President in the Recount, then I believe Kerry WOULD 'run' again...and therefore BE the Dem choice, and Teresa's statement would be right.

Let's NOT give up yet. I don't think Kerry has. And his trips to Iowa and NH are curious in terms of true purpose at this point.

[dmac]

23. I know but that would imply

this could be determined by Monday. so nothing can be proved by Monday. I just saw another post that Arnebeck's filing could mean that the electors votes would have to be provisionally cast if what he is doing works, thus the present would be that "it's not over yet". Was that the present you meant?

[seito]

24. The present could be

irrefutable proof that votes were switched from the Bush column to the Kerry column. I am not completely familiar with legal proceeding or the time frame. However, if Arnebeck is holding hard evidence, I assume that it will be made public at the hearing on Monday.

[TexasChick]

33. I thought Arnebeck said it was at least 65,000.

http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00001016.htm

...Claudia commented on 12/2/2004 @ 11:04pm PT...

here was a pretty lengthy interview on C-Span today with Cliff Arnebeck, an attorney for Alliance for Democracy, who is going to file a suit tomorrow in Ohio challenging the election result. This is different from demanding a recount. This organization is actually saying it believes--BASED ON EVIDENCE--that the election result is INCORRECT.

Mr. Arnebeck said they have evidence that shows the election result was actually the opposite of what's been reported. He says that Kerry won 51% of the vote in OH, and he seems to claim he can prove it.

Here's a transcript of the relevant parts...

Quote:
"The only logical explanation is that there was a movement of some 65,000 votes or so that were cast for Kerry into the Bush column. Which created a margin that is approximately the total margin by which Bush was reported to have won Ohio. So our current view of the evidence is that this is where the fix occurred.

"There were a variety of other problems in the election. There was the suppression of black voters in Franklin Co. by shorting machines in black and high Democratic performance districts. There was what we would call a precinct shuffle in Summit Co. and Cuyahuga Co. where a deliberate confusion was created about where people could vote. They cast their provisional ballots...there were election officials were telling them that they could vote in any precinct of the county and it would be counted. And then you've got Blackwell saying they won't be counted.

"Our present feeling is that this is, while a serious conspiracy to violate the civil rights of a protected class of voters namely those of the black race, that this is not where the real fix occurred. This is something we will discuss in the lawsuit, but we intend to focus very, to hone in very aggressively in full tilt litigation with full discovery on what we believe is the fraud that occurred in the southern part of the state with the shift of votes.

"Look at the two races. In effect the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court race is a benchmark race for the presidential race because both of these races were competitive, they were running neck and neck. All right so this gives you a basis to say "all right what happened in this situation and how does it relate to the other, the benchmark." Now a more ingenious approach might have been if you're going to do this you should have made the adjustment also in the Supreme Court race too, so this wouldn't stand out. This stands out like a sore thumb.

I think what happened is, all this civil rights violation was a red herring intended to stimulate the public interest groups and civil rights organizations to hone in on this, on this horrendous, horrendous attack on the rights of black voters. They thought that's what we would go after, the clock would run out, we wouldn't be able to prove our case. The real fraud occurred in this switching of votes in southern Ohio. That's our present view of the evidence."

[Patsy Stone]

9. I hope

I really, really hope. :)

First NH and now Iowa. Is he visiting all 50 states in the order of their primaries?

[bleever]

44. What a sharp eye you've got Pats.

[Straight Shooter]

12. Why the mention of a vacation in Sun Valley? Their home is in Ketchum.

Yes, they're close, but "Sun Valley" reeks of elitism and it seems like they never stop trying to label him as such.

Ketchum is nice, kind of struck me as a sleepy little place. As for Sun Valley, well, the folks are very nice, but the extravagant architecture and ostentatious residences are a wee bit much, especially considering the little shanty houses on the outskirts makes for a helluva contrast in rich vs. poor.

[politicasista]

13. Based on the article and video.......

It sounded like Momma T wouldn't want him to run again. Am I wrong? I do agree that Kerry should have talked more about his religion though.

[Straight Shooter]

16. From an article in The Economist long ago, after they wed ...

... The Economist speculated that one reason she wanted to marry John was because she believed he would be President one day, which would of course make her First Lady.

I think as time has gone by, that "blind" ambition has been replaced by a sincere heartfelt desire to see what her husband can do for America. No doubt in my mind she knows "he was robbed."

[BlueTarheel]

14. 55 thousand votes

That number keeps coming up while the "certified" results say he'd need around 119 thousand. Makes me wonder where he's getting that number.

[FullCountNotRecount]

17. The lawsuit being filed says Bush stole 55,000 Kerry votes

Subtract 60,000 votes from Bush and give them to Kerry and wins by 1,000.

[TexasChick]

34. Guys, I'm confused. I thought Arnebeck said at least 65,000 votes were

taken from Kerry's column over to Bush's, not 55,000:



http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00001016.htm

...Claudia commented on 12/2/2004 @ 11:04pm PT...

here was a pretty lengthy interview on C-Span today with Cliff Arnebeck, an attorney for Alliance for Democracy, who is going to file a suit tomorrow in Ohio challenging the election result. This is different from demanding a recount. This organization is actually saying it believes--BASED ON EVIDENCE--that the election result is INCORRECT.

Mr. Arnebeck said they have evidence that shows the election result was actually the opposite of what's been reported. He says that Kerry won 51% of the vote in OH, and he seems to claim he can prove it.

Here's a transcript of the relevant parts...

Quote:
"The only logical explanation is that there was a movement of some 65,000 votes or so that were cast for Kerry into the Bush column. Which created a margin that is approximately the total margin by which Bush was reported to have won Ohio. So our current view of the evidence is that this is where the fix occurred.

"There were a variety of other problems in the election. There was the suppression of black voters in Franklin Co. by shorting machines in black and high Democratic performance districts. There was what we would call a precinct shuffle in Summit Co. and Cuyahuga Co. where a deliberate confusion was created about where people could vote. They cast their provisional ballots...there were election officials were telling them that they could vote in any precinct of the county and it would be counted. And then you've got Blackwell saying they won't be counted.

"Our present feeling is that this is, while a serious conspiracy to violate the civil rights of a protected class of voters namely those of the black race, that this is not where the real fix occurred. This is something we will discuss in the lawsuit, but we intend to focus very, to hone in very aggressively in full tilt litigation with full discovery on what we believe is the fraud that occurred in the southern part of the state with the shift of votes.

"Look at the two races. In effect the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court race is a benchmark race for the presidential race because both of these races were competitive, they were running neck and neck. All right so this gives you a basis to say "all right what happened in this situation and how does it relate to the other, the benchmark." Now a more ingenious approach might have been if you're going to do this you should have made the adjustment also in the Supreme Court race too, so this wouldn't stand out. This stands out like a sore thumb.

I think what happened is, all this civil rights violation was a red herring intended to stimulate the public interest groups and civil rights organizations to hone in on this, on this horrendous, horrendous attack on the rights of black voters. They thought that's what we would go after, the clock would run out, we wouldn't be able to prove our case. The real fraud occurred in this switching of votes in southern Ohio. That's our present view of the evidence."

[seito]

19. I am not sure...

If 55,000 votes were inaccurately recorded on Nov 2nd, and were later removed from the Bush column and added to the Kerry column, that would close the gap by 110,000.

[FullCountNotRecount]

20. No it would close the gap by 55,000....

Bush ahead by 100 take 50 away and give to Kerry = Tie
Bush ahead by 100 take away 51 and give to Kerry = Kerry wins by 1
Bush ahead by 100 take away 75 and give to Kerry = Kerry wins by 25
Bush ahead by 119,000 take away 60,000; give Kerry = Kerry wins by 1,000

[keepthemhonest]

38. then if they get to almost the tie point I think

don't they do an automatic recount when they ar practically tied?

[IAMREALITY]

39. Correction

"Bush ahead by 100 take 50 away and give to Kerry = Tie
Bush ahead by 100 take away 51 and give to Kerry = Kerry wins by 1
Bush ahead by 100 take away 75 and give to Kerry = Kerry wins by 25
Bush ahead by 119,000 take away 60,000; give Kerry = Kerry wins by 1,000 "



take away 51 Kerry Wins by 2
take away 75 kerry wins by 150
the last one is correct.

[lizzieforkerry]

45. I think if Kerry uses the exact same number as Arneback

it would seem suspicious

[Eric J in MN]

46. I think he meant if 55,000 Bush votes became Kerry votes (NT)

NT

[ClintCooper2003]

15. Perhaps a little bit of campaigning? I sure hope so.

[Carolab]

18. Well if THAT'S true,

He should have asked for recount immediately instead of conceding and giving the CROOKS IN OHIO a chance to screw around with the results.

What a shame.

[seito]

21. Perhaps he should have

That approach did not work out so well in 2000 though.

Maybe the Dems are not as foolish as we speculate. Is it even remotely possible that they set a trap for the "CROOKS IN OHIO" to walk right into???

I think we might know a great deal more by Monday. I am in this fight for the long haul. For the defeatists out there, what does it hurt to give them the benefit of the doubt for a few more days.

It is safe to say that none (or at least most) of us know, with any degree of certainty, what is really going on. The less we know, the less the Pugs know. I think it is vitally important to keep morale up, and keep this movement afoot.

No Retreat No Surrender

[merh]

26. Could TK have a hidden meaning in her statement?

"Whoever's up in '08 will not be running against the president, which is a blessing," she said.

Could she be saying "whatever dem is up in '08 will not be running against the president (Kerry because he is a dem) which is the blessing?

Just wondering :shrug:

[17yroldtwins]

27. I can't help but think that he is sending us a message

Why would that quote about a birthday present come up? JK knows we're out here.???? Yes, No?

I guess I should get my Reynolds Wrap chapeau ready.

I can't go to our weekend protests here in KC this weekend...I work all day Saturday and Sunday. Please, some KC folks go for me. We've got to keep this alive.

If all of our DU folks can get out in their community this weekend and make your voices heard, it would be terrific.

God bless America and God bless John Kerry.

Attie

[seito]

30. Yes

The message is that he still wants to be president. Contrary to the speculation that has been tossed around, if the votes are found for Kerry in Ohio, he will graciously accept the Presidency.

I found it interesting that he would publicly mention that he wanted 55,000 more votes in Ohio for a birthday present. Whether or not he knows something that we don't will remain to be seen.

[Darkhawk32]

35. Did anybody notice his statement...........

When he said something to the effect that....

As of 7 o'clock, he was President of the United States.

Why would he say something like that? He KNOWS he was robbed. He KNOWS it!

My theory...

He is working with the Glibs closely but on the down-low. Notice that the Dems give just a little nudge to keep things going but never directly involve themselves? Kerry IS involved, he's playing a great game of chess. He sent out that email video as a message to us to keep digging.

We must continue to fight. We cannot blame Kerry for not being the forefront. Because if he does, this really DOES blacklist HIM and the DNC again. Gore got a raw, RAW deal and we all know it, so let's not blame Kerry for not being Gore'd.

Even if * gets into office and it's proven to be because of fraud, the DNC needs to show unity and not have their usual primaries and just nominate Kerry.

But anyway, enough of my rambling......

[seito]

36. President of the United Statements???

Where did you see that?

[goclark]

37. We need to keep on pushing

Our train is in the station and everybody that is ready for the ride needs to get on board and stay on board.

It ain't over til it's over!

Choo Choo Choo Choo

All Aboard!!!!

[corbett]

40. Your Theory Is Accurate

While I didn't see the statement you mentioned, I agree with your theory. I'd add that the GLibs need an ARMY of volunteers. Their ranks are growing by the day but by stopping Iowa, where his groundswell began this time last year, he can foment zeal for a recount and cause others to make the long drive to Ohio. It's another tactic sandwiched in a vacation getaway wave.

[seito]

41. First hand account of Kerry's visit to NH on Dec 5th

He said he wished he could send all of his NH supporters to Ohio.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x115173#115386

[lonestarnot]

43. Happy birthday .....Mr. President in my best M.M. voice.

:party: :toast: