MSM blackout puzzling/frustrating because of overwhelming evidence

[Action Jackson]

I know this idea has been posted a million times. But every minute of everyday I get so frustrated with the media blackout. We have so much overwhelming evidence of fraud and election problems. New evidence is exposed everyday. We have stacks and stacks of evidence. Yet this problem is ignored by our fellow citizens and by the MSM. And this is the most frustrating part of the blackout is that we are not crazy. we have the evidence!!!!!! how can they ignore the facts!

[donsu]

1. they ignore the facts because they are in charge of everything

we are in charge of nothing.

[berniew1]

23. But too many people contact them without supplying any real evidence

There is plenty of real documentation. When you contact them. Make sure to provide some URLs.

[Griffy]

25. THEY CANT IGNORE 100,000 ppl on the MALL...

make plan now to be in DC... I promise you all, ONLY people in the streets will win this ... ONLY (cant be won online) .... MSM will then follow the ratings... movements take time and planning... plan NOW!! I was at rally in DC today.. not many.. more will come

[KaryninMiami]

2. Welcome to the world of MSM frustration.... Amazing indeed.

Here is a copy of a response I received from a Miami Herald reporter after I asked him the question "What is it going to take before someone in MSM takes this seriously and starts to give it the coverage it deserves?" I reminded him that this is America and that if our right to vote is in question, then so is our democracy. I sent links to evidence, the hearing, statistics, etc. I literally begged him to at least consider the possibility and write on the fact that so many are considering this as well. I mentioned the lawsuit in Ohio- the works.

His response was like a slap in the face. I posted his letter here at DU to ask for ideas on how to respond to him. Thanks to the wonderful DU family, I was given some great suggestions (email back and I'll send you the links to what they said). But it is extremely disheartening (to put it mildly) and very upsetting indeed that in spite of all the evidence, this is still not newsworthy enough to warrant major media attention.

His response to my passionate letter:

"Not interested? Do you think that the publishers, even of newspapers that endorsed Kerry, are conspiring to prevent reporters from reporting election fraud? This newspaper dispatched reporters to investigate allegations of irregularities in Florida. We found nothing substantial. I've seen nothing out of Ohio that indicates the election was stolen. If some actual evidence show up, it will be reported. This notion of a conspiracy, that we're being prevented from the reporting, is just mindless. I'm close friends of the executive editor and managing editor of the Cleveland Plain-Dealer. Both were editors at the Herald. Both are very good at what they do. Both would take a story of fraud, if there was proof, and run with it. I've talked to them about the returns. I'm convinced that you don't have the goods."

[Blue in the face]

9. Did you ask them why the stopped counting?

[journojon]

20. Ask if they reported Ukraine unrest

and why is Ohio and Florida unrest subject to a different standard? Ukrainians have produced less (none) evidence of fraud than has been produced in Ohio and Florida.

Are MIT and UC scholars not credible sources (but a GOP hack is)? Jessie Jackson not enough celebrity for the Miami Herald (but Jerry Falwell is)? Rep. Hastert is worthy of coverage of his concerns but not Rep. Conyers?

If its standard is whether the newspaper finds evidence to convict, why did they cover OJ's trial? Why do they cover police accusations and court trials every day, before they know if there's evidence to support cases?

Lots of bigoted double-standards being spoken between the lines of this reporter's or editor's email to you. He should be fired.

The Miami Herald hasn't investigated every single claim or evidence of fraud, obviously, nor have his pals who are corporate shills for Ohio newspapers.

If they HAD performed such investigations, they have an obligation to report their evidences to disprove the claims of fraud.

[rainbow4321]

30. MSM/ other companies w/ Pentagon contracts, also

http://store.publicintegrity.org/pns/list.aspx?act=dir&filter=A

Probably doesn't help that the MSM parent companies and other businesses have their fingers in the war's cookie jar. Here is a link that has a directory for companies that have contracts...including GE <parent company of NBC>. Why speak out against something that is giving you $$$$.
The list has everything from Kelloggs, Black and Decker, Kimberly-Clarke. What are the odds anyone on the li$t complaining about the Pentagon and the war?


edited for spelling

[GregD]

3. Bushco wants total perception and information management

and the MSM are largely in line with their wishes.

It's not been any different for 4 years and will only become worse.

[AndyTiedye]

4. Nothing Puzzling About It

[buddysmellgood]

5. The evidence is one thing, it's what we don't know we don't know that is

troubling.

"Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns - the ones we don't know we don't know".

[lthuedk]

14. I couldn't resist:

Image:

http://www.light-to-dark.com/mininuke.html

[UVASAM1]

6. the same reason the leadership of the party is ignoring it

"overwhelming" is a word subject to debate. if it were so ironclad, i would people other than the Jackson crowd would be leading the charge.

so far no national democrat has come forward, have they?

[RaulVB]

7. There is nothing puzzling about it (2)

They are corporate owned. They just follow the orders of their corporate masters and the regime that is in control of the "news" flow.

[GettysbergII]

8. The only way this can be happening is with the enite ruling

class political apparatus exerting tremendous pressure. That means not only the wingnut organizations like Council on National Policy (CNP), American Security Council (ASC), Committee for the Present Danger (CPD), Hoover Foundation, COR, American Enterprise Institute(AEI), etc but also the Council on Foreign Relations which historically has been bipartisan in natural.

The Council on Foreign Relations has around 4000 members strategically placed in the upper echoleons of government, academia, media, finance and industy. For instance, John Kerry is a member of the CFR as are Bush Sr, Bill Clinton, Colin Powell, Paul Wolfewitz, Dick Chaney, Condi Rice, Perles and many other Neo-Cons. There's a lot of cross pollination between the wingnut organizations such as CNP, ASC, CPD, AEI and the Hoover Foundation and the CFR. In fact the Director of the Hoover Institution, John Raisian, is a member of the CFR. Condi Rice is a member of both Hoover and the CFR. Newt Gingrich is a member of the CFR, the Hoover Institution and AEI, etc, etc, etc.


Peculiarly enough, both Katherine Harris of Florida 2000 fame and Kenneth Blackwell of 2004 Ohio fame are members of the Council on Foreign Relations as well.

There's a great Z Magazine March 2003 article on line written by Laurance Shoup, who the CFR itself acknowledges as having co-written the most important critical analysis of the CFR, entitled Behind the Bipartisan Drive Toward War http://zmagsite.zmag.org/Mar2003/shoup0303.html

This article explains exactly how the CFR works to exert influence and after reading it I could see that John Kerry derived his entire foreign policy so as to be in complete harmony with the position papers of the CFR. Laurance Shoop wrote another very excellent article on the CFR for the October 2004 Z-Magazine entitled Bush, Kerry, and the CFR that really nails things down but you might have to subscribe to access the link. If you can't PM me and I'll send you it as a Word file.

http://zmagsite.zmag.org/Oct2004/shoup1004.html

Laurance Shoup's 1977 classic on the CFR Imperial Brain Trust : The Council on Foreign Relations and United States Foreign Policy has been reissued this year and is available at Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0595324266/qid=1102790212/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/002-5954825-5680003?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

My own best guess as to what's going on now is that either there's a major power play for control of the CFR going on right now or the CFR has already gone over predominately to the rightwing POV particularly the NeoCons. Either way the CFR strongly supports the Oil Wars and knows that the American public doesn't and never will. Hence the need for control of the election although the wingnuts might have pulled a fast one on the CFR with the massive sloopy vote fraud. But regardless its a ruling class affair and the last party they want interfering with the election process is 'we the people of the United Staes of America'

[Astrad]

16. The Dirty Word

I agree with you competely. Class is still the dirty word in America and a surprising number of people at DU are unwilling (or unable) to look at what's going on through that lens. Kerry and the democratic party have far more allegiance to their class than they do to any notion of the 'people' i.e. those who don't earn a living from their capital and connections. Until many more progressive people start waking up to that, they are going to continue to make the same mistake of working to install the very thing that oppresses them. I'd love to see this election overturned and have this disgusting administration humbled (and incarcerated) but it seems to me that installing Kerry and the democratic party will change only key the song is sung in not the song.

[GettysbergII]

26. The funny thing is that the ruling class doesn't even bother to make any

bones about it anymore. All the various organizations and the people behind them and the connections between them are there to find for anyone willing to do simple google searches.

Anyway welcome to the DU Astrad. You can't fool me about the icefishing business though. I'll bet about all you bring home is a lot empty bottles of Labatt Blue. Seriously though I'm a walleye guy myself although not by icefishing. I prefer motorboat island camping myself on Lake Saganaga in the Boundary Waters west of Thunder Bay in July or August when the bugs are down and the water temperature is up. BTW any decent walleye fishing around Toronto? It would be good info to know in case my family and I have to relocate.

[Astrad]

29. Walleye aka Pickerel

Okay you found me out. A deadbeat Canadian commenting on the american political scene. If ours wasn't so boring I wouldn't have to. Anyway there's nothing a Canadian enjoys more their smugly lecturing you southerners (south of us) about how you're taking us all to hell. If only you'd be more like us up here in our communist paradise. Did I say paradise? It's minus 4 and wet snow here in dreary old Toronto. People do catch Walleye right on the city's lakefront (there's a lovely spot right near the nuclear power plant.) I lived in Minneapolis for awhile bu never made it to the boundary waters. My loss.

[FredStembottom]

27. I have chronic, decades old worries along those lines, too

I found the Carter presidency so confusing as a young man who had just voted in his first presidential contest. As the Carter years unfolded, the president seemed so stymied in Congress. But it was his own party in control of that Congress! By the end of the 4 years, I had begun to suspect that I didn't know "the half of it".

It sure seemed like Dems. wanted our votes - but didn't intend to ever let the unwashed public (as represented by a Georgia peanut farmer) ever really, truly get a say in the affairs of the nation. Below a certain income level, it seemed, we were merely an audience to that Congress. One that should applaud when the light comes on, refrain from hollering and fold up our seats upon filing out of the auditorium.

I have seen nothing since to convince me otherwise.

[jamboi]

31. If that's true we need to throw light on these shadows and march in street

like Ukraine did.

[VTGold]

10. Some of them are itching though - I've felt it over the past couple days..

..they want to jump in.

There was much glee over Rummy.

[ClassWarrior]

11. Then dammit keep EMAILING, WRITING, PHONING, AND VISITING THEM!!

NGU.

[StephanieMarie]

12. cSPAN

I saw the full replay of the Conyers hearings on Cspan last night (Fri) from 9pm - midnight. It was great. But I too am mystified at why the MSM won't touch the issue. I guess they just love the Ukraine more than they love America.

[lthuedk]

13. They may be complicit and are probably scrambling. Should this

thing explode and they are named, they will have to answer as to who was responsible for flipping the exit polls, who gave the order, and all the contacts.

They should be very worried.

[glitch]

15. Indeed. Collaborators are very unpopular after the war is over and their

side loses. More so than the actual opponents, I think. You can respect opponents (sometimes) but collaborators - never.
They are just that extra bit creepy.

[pointsoflight]

17. Feeling frustrated? Read this:

"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."
- Margaret Mead

[dogindia]

18. Why also the leftleaning bloggers.Franken, Moore, Alterman, etc.

The power elite makes sense as you say. Even the MSM. But why are the spokesmen of the left are so quiet? That disturbs me too.

[Quakerfriend]

19. I'm afraid we are much further gone

than I had realized.....The pot has been heating up for a long time. Yet, this seems to have happened overnight. Now I realize why people were unable to get out of Germany before it was too late.

[ginnyinWI]

21. People usually don't act out of character

unless there is some good reason, I think. MM was especially strange on Leno, don't you think? Tin-foil hat on...waiting for Monday.:tinfoilhat:

[mattclearing]

22. Not to get into conspiracy theory, but...

Has anyone here ever heard of "Operation Mockingbird"?

Seeing what's happened to AAR and Salon lately has reminded me of this one. Google and boggle.

[European Socialist]

24. m$m needs a victim.

John Kerry please report for duty. By the way- you average people who were cheated- are not as important as steroids or NBA brawls.

[klebean]

28. covering the story opens a can of worms for msm

it puts pressure on releasing their exit poll data and resurrects
the fact that the consortium who sponsored the NORC 2000 count,
also failed to analyze and publish the results in the weeks before
9/11.

[Alizaryn]

32. Support the ones that are brave enough to cover it. Let their

advertizers, bosses know we are supporting them. Its one way to help turn the tide I think.

[proudbluestater]

33. AP released a single article Saturday night at midnight. Whoopee.

I guess they figured they were remiss if they did not report it some how. So they waited until midnight Saturday a.m. Chicken shits. Figured nobody would see it on that day anyway.

However, when the lawsuit is filed on Monday, it will be hard to not cover it.

I'm reading a good book by Joe Conason, the Right Wing Media Machine and something about propaganda. Good read.


http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&q=election+fraud

That's a link to vote fraud articles on Google.

[rumpel]

34. Another Mathematician

Why did the exit polls taken on election day in the battleground states differ so starkly from the final tallies in those states? As my crosstown colleague, Steven Freeman of the University of Pennsylvania has demonstrated in his paper, "The Unexplained Exit Poll Discrepancy," the pattern is unmistakable. In Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida, the differences between Bush's final tallies and his earlier exit poll percentages were, respectively, 6.7%, 6.5%, and 4.9%.

full

http://www.math.temple.edu/~paulos/exit.html