UPI reporting the story

[neversaynever]

Wash Times is reporting a UPI story

"DNC to look into Ohio voting"

Democratic National Committee said Saturday it is supporting investigations of allegations into voting irregularities, DNC official Donna Brazile said.

<http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20041211-084934-1930r.htm>

(Do I get to wake up from my nightmare soon?)

[KaryninMiami]

1. Nightmare indeed. I just hung up on my sister (again) before she finished

her sentence which started with "You need to face the fact that Bush won and- That's when I said "have a nice day" and hung up. Third time this month. Maybe I should just not call her any more.

My family and friends mostly think I am nuts. I sent a out an update letter called Question the Election last night. Took me 2 days to put together. It went to about 300 people - friends, family, people who have asked for info that I've met in the past few weeks. It included links to the hearing, links to places they can learn more, facts statistics, etc. I got one response.

IS EVERYONE ASLEEP? Did they put something in the water? What the hell is going on here? Doesn't anyone care that our government has stolen the election (again)? Why isn't everyone screaming when they hear about this?

(You and I are in the same nightmare and I pray that we get to wakeup soon because frankly, this is not fun.)

Thank God for DU who remind me every day, that I am not nuts and that this is worth fighting for.

[MelissaB]

3. Amen to that!

People are clueless. I have to admit that it is only recently that I got a clue, though. I relied on MSM, too. People think if it isn't on the nightly news or in the newspaper they suscribe to that it isn't real and didn't happen. We have a serious education problem in this nation.

[myschkin]

9. We have!

[cally]

4. Could you post your research?

It would be great to see all the info consolidated.

[IndyOp]

15. What is this GREAT photo of the crowd on the mall?

Is it a protest?

:bounce:

[cally]

41. It's the pro-choice rally

Sorry it took me so long to respond.

[Niche]

30. Cally, what is this picture? When was it taken? Beautiful.

[cally]

40. It's the choice rally at the mall

I think it was in April.

[DemBones DemBones]

5. Welcome to DU! After FOUR YEARS of people NOT GETTING IT that 2000

was a COUP, I'm not surprised they don't get it this time, either. I know exactly how you feel about everyone being asleep. I want to shake people and shout "WAKE UP!" while they go blithely on their way as if things were normal.

[KaryninMiami]

14. Sometimes I get angry and sometimes I just cry.

(like now) because it's so damn frustrating to be looked at time and time again by family and friends, as an over zealous nut who is on some crazy crusade that will only lead nowhere. My mom believes that there is fraud but she, like most, don't think there's anything that we can do about it and she also hopes that I will "Get over it" and move on. But I can't. It's just to important.

I have maybe 4 or 5 friends who "get it" but for the most part, they are doing little except telling me how grateful they are that I am doing something with my newsletter and flyers and constant conversations with strangers. I'm living out their activist fantasies. But I want to say to them- this isn't only my responsibility - this belongs to everyone! "SO GET UP OFF YOUR ASS AND DO SOMETHING TOO."

Next life, I am coming back as someone who simply accepts the status quo. It would be ever so much easier. Imagine the peace of mind of being oblivious or not really caring enough or not having a clue (and not caring). This is not an easy road.

[neversaynever]

16. Remember., though, the brainwashing has been a long

and serious effort to set up exactly this situation: the people have been dummified, desensitized and deadened in a systematic campaign to squelch dissent, critical analysis and, above all, ACTION. This whole effort has been "aided and abetted" by the widespread dissemination of FEAR: and I think the fear of economic and professional repercussions of dissent outweighs any fears of some omnipotent, yet "unidentifiable" and limitless terrorist threat. The people have been zombied (and my husband would say the strategy is to outzombie the zombies).

There are entire sectors of the population who simply don't have the energy to get involved. It's not that they don't care, they are EXHAUSTED by the sheer rigor of doing (and keeping) their jobs (ask any public school teacher currently scrambling to deal with No Child Left Behind (I call it: No Child Left Alive).

There are others who exhausted themselves on the Get out the Vote and other pre-election campaigns, and who can't bear the thought of yet another sustained effort.

My strategy with regard to the personal rifts this has introduced to personal relationships is to always sit back and ask myself: How much truth can this person take? How realistic is it for me to expect this person to get involved, based on what I know about his/her situation. I know single mothers with 2-3 jobs who really can't even THINK about all this. In that case, I try to do what I can to make up for that person's INABILITY to participate by doing writing that one extra email, letter, making that one extra phone call, etc.

On the other hand, I have a lot of friends with ample time and resources on their hands--some who are entirely aware of the truth, others who remain in denial--these people DO piss me off and I find it increasingly difficult to communicate with tthem. So be it. I'll talk to them again in February -- either I'll say "thanks for all your efforts" or "i'm moving to Canada" -- depending on the ultimate outcome in January .

[Pepper32]

28. Some people can't handle being awaken from the Matrix

They prefer to watch "reality TV" and shop for the holidays at Walmart etc. We have become a Stepford America.

You see WE are not asleep... This "nightmare" is the real reality. No need to wake up, you're WOKE.

It's a very scary reality, with lots of uncertainty. This is why most America would rather stay in the matrix.

Some of us (Du'ers, Activist, Concerned Citizens etc) are scared too but we have the courage to fight despite this... In fact, it the fear of having these occupiers of the White House for 4 more years, that will not allow me to give up.

[neversaynever]

29. 4 years? Six months is going to do it for me...

look how fast these guys are moving ... I keep telling people, "look, you've got nothing to lose by getting involved -- the way we are headed, I predict total economic collapse within 6 months" (and I don't bother going into the rest of the scenario) -- my take: we don't HAVE another four years, we've got about another 6 months.

Hey, but it's no skin off my back: if we DO NOT succeed in overturning the results, I will be relocating to Canada. No doubt about it.

I ain't stickin around for this. No fucking way.

[FredStembottom]

38. The form that it takes.....

The brainwashing....is the over-riding message that an American's #1 job is to be thoroughly entertained.
If it is serious, political or takes a few minutes to understand, just drop it and return to the show. It's on 24/7 and even runs in airport waiting rooms!

[NMDemDist2]

6. please post your email info on Demopedia

it won't get lost there and you can update it as needed.

also then you just send your list a link to your demopedia page :)

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

7. Thank goodness my family actually get it! :) n/t

[3days]

8. The people aren't asleep

They just haven't gotten a clue. There is not one prominent democratic who will speak up and say we have some real problems with what happened in this election and we are going to contest it. Not a freakin word out of any of them. Not a word from their candidates either. They are the ones telling everyone that we lost the night of the election and get on with business as usual. What else is anybody supposed to think when their candidate won't say a word.

[Nay]

13. Exact.ly. If the dem leaders aren't out there shouting about it,

why the hell should the public?

[stepnw1f]

31. I Don't Need Politicians to Scream for me

:-)

[crispini]

18. I agree.

How are the people supposed to stand up against this stuff when their own leaders don't? There's a reason why the Ukrainians were in the street -- their candidate told them to go march!

[KaryninMiami]

19. In the Ukraine, they had their candidate AND the media

because both were supported by our government. How else did they get the word out? Not through the internet, I can promise you that. The Ukraine had support and money from our government who wanted a re-vote.

Having Kerry on board would sure make a difference. I "understand" why he is keeping silent and want to believe it's "part of the plan" but frankly, even that is getting me pissed off. Guess this is one of those days that I am feeling pissed off in general...

This too shalll pass. Maybe.

[Iceburg]

25. In fact the Ukraine media jumped aboard the train AFTER the uprising

had left the station.

[Red State Blues]

39. I don't know where you live...

But down here in South Carolina the people aren't asleep, they're in a fucking coma! Unfortunately, if all the Democratic leaders got together and screamed bloody murder it would only wake up most of the dem's in these parts.

The people are asleep and the Democratic leaders sure aren't much help. At this point the media is most to blame in my book. People don't understand the media's silence, the longer they stick to the "smooth elections" story the more damning to them it's going to be when it collapses.

[Blue in the face]

11. You're not alone...

"Thank God for DU who remind me every day, that I am not nuts and that this is worth fighting for."

Amen!

[Chasing Dreams]

12. I sent a similar email to friends and family

and told them to read the links before I would engage them in debate. My father told me to "get over it" too, and I replied that I had nothing to discuss with him until he read the studies and reports. We haven't talked since.

A Republican friend of his did engage me. He finally did read the statistical studies and on-the-ground reports of fraud. He finally AGREED that we should hand recount Ohio and other questionable states, as long as taxpayers didn't have to foot the bill. While I might quibble with him on that, I was pleased that a hard-core Republican who read the studies did not want to win fraudulently, and wanted to find out the TRUTH.

Everyone: keep emailing your friends and family, with links to the best evidence. This is the best way to get the story out given the virtual MSM blackout.

[merh]

17. I can sympathize! It makes me want to cry that my family,

friends and fellow citizens refuse to recognize the danger we are in and how democracy is at stake.

I play cards once a month with 6 others, all mostly koolaide drinking bushbots. Last night we had our Christmas game, and the subject of the dead sea scrolls that reflect the "10 Commandments" came up because it is supposed to be put on display in Alabama. I merely made reference to the fact that it made sense, since that judge got such media on his posting the 10 C's in his courtroom. Well that spun out of control and the next thing you know we are into a political discussion. The repuke husband started the flip flopper crap and when I mentioned the election fraud, he laid in to me about "starting that crap again".

Anytime I tried to defend, they attacked and he continued with his jabber. I was put in my place and told to keep quiet, it was a celebration after all. :shrug:

They just don't want to know what is truly going on in our nation. They want to keep their heads in the clouds and think things are fine. It is so sad. :cry:

It makes me so damned angry! :argh:

[pretzel4gore]

20. tell them 'it's the mediawhores, stupid!'

peter jennings is paid $28000 a day ...for what? Certainly not for his devotion to the American people (he lied about the reason for iraq war, he lied about clinton, he lied about everything!) and jenning's probably the most honest one of them all

[BamaBecky]

21. I could have written what you said. I spend most of my free time

trying to "wake up" folks. When they do answer me, they say something like; "Why don't you take a rest from it all?" "I'm worried about you." and "You seem obsessed about this, let it go."

Mostly they do not answer. HOWEVER, I do believe that are taking notice. It's very hard for people to ADMIT that they were so wrong (about Bush). They are trying to save face. But they are not asking to be REMOVED from the e-mails that I'm sending. Oh sure, some are busy deleting, but I don't think all of them are. Even my mother is reading them now that the election is over. Hey, that's progress!

Keep your nose to the grindstone and keep trying to "wake up" America. If you get discouraged, pm me, e-mail me...and we will chat.

:pals:

[Silver Gaia]

46. ARGH

"Why don't you take a rest from it all?" "I'm worried about you." and "You seem obsessed about this, let it go."

-----------
Omigawd... these are almost the exact words my mother said to me BEFORE November 2nd! I haven't even tried to talk to her about the vote fraud issue.

And last weekend, while talking to one sympathetic friend (who is from Holland) about the voting problems, I got jumped by another friend--a Libertarian, BTW--who overheard us and started stomping around and saying, "Why can't you just accept that the guy WON and let it go?!?" When I pointed out that HIS party helped to start the recount process in Ohio, he deftly sidestepped that by telling me he was going to change his party affiliation. :eyes:

I can't wait until this starts hitting the MSM so that they all HEAR it. (It IS gonna hit the MSM eventually; right? *sigh*) It's easy to get discouraged when faced with blind sheeple, but I'm NOT giving up. I'm in this for the long haul and so's my hubby. At least we have each other, and DU helps keep me sane and focused--AND informed. (Thank you all for that.)

[marions ghost]

27. Sorry but...well...you see...it's an emergency

Some of my friends and family say about Votergate--

"we believe you are right, but what can be done? They tell me, "just stay involved in your own world and don't pay attention to it." In other words just narrow the focus and everything will be OK. I understand there are people who dont have the time or strength to go on...but there are many who are just making the choice to put blinders on.

This--to me--is just as damaging as the treatment merh (#17) got, with everyone jumping on merh for speaking lies and heresies.

One is a case of encouraging silence, and the other is a case of
enforcing silence. But the result is the same. Silence.

Way I see it--

I already hunkered down after 2000. Denied what I saw, which is a typical response of disaster victims.
I gave it "time"--(what with 9-11 and The War and all)
I worked to regain enough faith in the system to support Kerry
On Nov 2 I lost all faith completely
On Nov 3 I chose sanity and I'm sticking with sanity this time...

I hope that all of us will keep talking, writing, arguing, networking, marching, singing, praying, teaching--whatever it is that each person does best. We would be fools to let this happen again. This is an emergency and it requires the vigilance of everyone who has seen the truth.

[SueZhope]

36. there are many of us

I have been instructed by people to stop sending them anything on it,
or they say oh yeah well, why isn't in the news, then you have to explain to them who owns the news.

I also get the "I'm worried about you" get out and walk more, smell the roses.

My sister says yeah so it was stolen , there's nothing you can do about it.
Get over it.......and then says only the activists are worried about it.....
the "activists"as if they are strange people that are not included in society

Then there's the ,so were is Kerry, If he won?

If this was on the TV it would be real.....its all about whats on the TV..and this story is hardly on so there for it does not exist.

Thank god for DU..I would go insane.

[buzzard]

37. Everyone should do what you are doing. n/t

[progressoid]

42. I haven't even talked to anyone about this. Even the dems I have seen

since the election have resigned themselves to 4 more years. Immagine what's going to happen when the shit hits the fan!!! I can't wait!

[lonestarnot]

2. NUDGE NUDGE...This citizen with a pitchfork wants to give you a wake

up call to come and join the celebration!:toast: :bounce:

[oscar111]

10. Shows we need AAR so much! "all i know is what i read in the papers"

an old quote from ?? the thirties??.

Petition AAR to come to your town. At least the fans will come to know each other.

include AAR in ur Will

get aflcio, and dnc, to subsidize AAR.

[mattclearing]

26. AAR is already clamming up, though.

Same with Salon...when these places go outside for financing, there are conditions, it seems.

[k8conant]

22. MARTINSBURG WV: The Journal puts election doubts on page A3

Our local paper (25 miles away) put the AP article about Election Doubts on page A3 of today's print edition (Saturday, 12/11/04). That has to be the closest to up front yet. Interestingly, it doesn't show up in their on-line edition.
www.journal-news.net

[lonestarnot]

24. Kick

:kick:

[BamaBecky]

23. I've got an idea! Send this thread to all of your friends & family that

think we need to get OVER IT! That's what I'm going to do.

[Sandy_0]

32. It's not that people don't care.

People don't know! This whole election fraud has been sealed up, locked down and hidden away. How are the people gonna find out? Even if the majority of people surfed the net (and I'm not sure that there is a majority yet), are there that many items available for mass consumption that deals with the election fraud?

MY OWN fear is that Blackwell will select his people for the electoral college and shut the whole process down. Who would know? Those who would know, what would we do? What could we do? With the press/media refusing to give the whole thing exposure, the Neocons can do as they like, out in the open and no one would know. . . as for us, what would our options be?

[dogindia]

33. kick

[Carl Brennan]

34. Great story from a sleazy rag.

Don't be fooled by the Moonie Times. They "break" stories that are already coming out anyway to make them look un-biased,its an old trick. Moon is a hard-core fascist with nothing but contempt for democracy and a free press.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=704616
MOON ALERT! - UPI editor gives journalism oath to Moon
http://www.gorenfeld.net/blog/2003_11_01_barchive.html#106850250361714868 <http://www.gorenfeld.net/blog/2003_11_01_barchive.html> New UPI editor's journalism oath to Rev. Moon As you may recall, United Press International was the home of legendary reporter Helen Thomas until it was bought by the Moonies in 2000. Now, the editors of Rev. Moon's publications claim a Christian Science Monitor-ish separation between church and newspaper. But today, UPI has announced that its new editor is to be Michael J. Marshall, who used to run Moon's The World and I, and, well... Cut to May, 2003, in a "Workshop on Journalism and Media." Your host: media mogul Rev. Moon (we are not exactly talking about the Poynter Institute). The following scene, transcribed here at a Unification Church website, occurs. Moon is ticking off the seven reasons he's the Messiah, and talking about how to get the word out in the press, when suddenly... (scroll down) REV. MOON (addressing Marshall) Are you with World and I? Can you follow what I'm saying, do what I'm saying, the contents? For how long? MICHAEL MARSHALL, EDITOR I will commit to follow forever. REV. MOON Forever, for life. Great. And from another Moon speech, Nov. 30, 2000 in Brazil, more UPI fun. "Now, the best way to become famous will be to write articles about Rev. Moon. The media organization that employs the reporters who write such articles and publishes them will be respected around the world. UPI was purchased just as it was about to collapse, and it is being supported now. UPI can write such articles. In a few years, if they keep this up until 2003, then everything will be finished." ------------------------------------ let us not forget the power Moon holds over usg. Rupert Murdoch below:
e1) More on Moon ownership of UPI
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1035427

[Clark2008]

35. I'm so sorry for most of you on this thread

It must really be disheartening to have people close to you think you're nuts.
I work in the tech sector. Even though we're overrun with a bunch of Republicans (why, I don't know), they do get that computer software isn't glitch-proof and that Windows OS's, such that is in the GEMS tabulator, is the most unsecured piece of trash out there.
They fully understand that there probably was problems: however, they aren't planning to do much about it. :(

[Oak2004]

44. Most people aren't leaders: they won't do anything on their own

initiative. But if they are shown a way they can take effective action that doesn't involve greater risks than they're willing or able to take on, they will act. Building a trusted leadership at every level of our movement, and starting to think and talk about about the many ways we can resist our indigenous fascists, are important things for us to be doing right now.

Yes, a lot of the know-nothing do-nothings will remain know-nothing do-nothings. But as the full understanding of what happened sinks in, some of them will do an about face. And it's never taken a majority to create political change: it only takes an active, determined, minority.

[libertypirate]

43. wait.... been very little spin. Ignored yes; but at least not spun!

There are no facts since there are no facts there can be no spin. I say bravo! You know why we don't know the full scope of the evidence they have; do you think * & Co. do either. Ha... Can't fight nothing in an information war.

Blackwell might be stuck between a rock and a hard place. I don't know about this guy, any one thought that he might have been threatened. Maybe his family…

If they are willing the threaten Randi Rhodes on Air America for talking about it on the air; they why not strong arm him.

He might be looking for a way out. Any thoughts…

[senegal1]

45. Most of my family voted republican and are very

conservative. I have a slow plan to convert them. It consists of "its the economy, stupid"..Humor...bad news about the war and the economy... questions about the ethics of republicans who change the rules to allow a corrupt politician stay in office... more bad news about the economy... questions about health care and social security... more bad news about the economy... and then points about vote fraud. On the "I just can't focus dem side" -- I send them links and information about actions taking place. One person told me they were too busy but another person told me they would check into it. Then I come here for a reality check.

[jamboi]

47. Good deal. n/t