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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 12:11 AM
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"The Guardian" (UK) has picked up the story!
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Greybnk48 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 12:13 AM
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1. The Danish Reporter?
Has this been emailed to the reporter covering this in Denmark?
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 12:14 AM
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3. Yes, right! I don't think so...
I don't have his email address on hand.

Who does?
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 12:14 AM
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2. 'wont' change the outcome'
Kerry's campaign supports the recount, while Bush's campaign has criticized it, but both sides agree it won't change the outcome of the election.
==
why is this?
what's the point then - I don't get it.
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 12:15 AM
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4. Kerry is not going to tell Bush what's the game plan!
Not to worry.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 12:22 AM
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11. So Kerry has a game plan?
What is this?
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 12:23 AM
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12. Well, read the papers and watch the news
You will understand then, I guess.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 12:26 AM
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14. Being a "former pollster" I assume you have some inside info.? n/t
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 12:27 AM
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16. No way for me to have any "inside info"
Edited on Mon Dec-13-04 12:32 AM by RaulVB
I am a good "trooper".

I try to do my job and I have never met anybody remotely close to the DNC.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 12:31 AM
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18. Good answer....
provided you're not affiliated with the RNC.
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 12:32 AM
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19. My brain works just fine
In other words, I'm not.
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ClintCooper2003 Donating Member (629 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 06:53 AM
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28. Hey Raul, are you really a former pollster? Can you help me out....
with a project? My email link should be in my name...
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 12:40 AM
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20. All I can say is.... get me some of that damn popcorn
hold the salt!

;-)
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 12:25 AM
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13. I can dig that.
I feel better now, thanks.
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zapp Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 12:16 AM
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5. That was from an earlier press release
By JFK....so stay tuned..
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 12:16 AM
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6. i think they are saying that to keep down the verbal attacks
if they keep saying they don't think it will change, it will be a weaker argument for the other side.
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 12:18 AM
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7. Just because Kerry agrees it wont change the outcome doesnt mean it wont.
And what good would it do Kerry to claim now that it would change the recount...serves no purpose.

And what if it didnt change the recount but the result was fraudsters going to jail and the election system being overahauled lickety split.

This is a good enough point for me.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 12:30 AM
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17. oh yeah, good enough point for me, too. n/t
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 12:19 AM
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8. Yikes, you sure got some responses.....!!!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 12:19 AM
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9. Indeed, "it" won't change "the outcome".....
...because "the outcome," (once all the votes are counted, and all the illegal activities are uncovered and rectified), will be what was projected by the 'exit polls' -- Kerry won ;-)

Peace.

"When Did Bush Know?"
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Redleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 12:21 AM
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10. Kerry knows something about Ohio.
It's gonna be big!
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 12:26 AM
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15. red alert! red alert!
such mixed feelings about all this. Yippppeeee!! for kerry, but omygodwhat'sthatassholebush gonna do now?

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nmoliver Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 07:46 AM
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30. Kerry is just hedging his bets
People keep reading these awesome things into Kerry's hesitant little moves.

I think Kerry is just hedging his bets, so he can go to our side in the future and say "I supported the recount! Hey!" and go to the other side and say "I was so nice, I accepted the results of our democratic process."

I don't believe there is a game plan here, beyond the politician's two-step.

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 12:45 AM
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21. all I can say is... SMILE
I may add... anybody for Martial Law?

Mebbe an attack?

Nah they woudl never do that, nope, no way, now how.

:/ sarcasm off
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 03:03 AM
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23. How can one impose Martial Law if all our troops are in Iraq?
Geez - even the National Guard is there!
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loritooker Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 03:56 AM
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25. Yup, this would be a great time to start the revolution!
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nickdw Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 02:52 AM
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22. guardian doesn't cut it today
Too bad nothing shows on the front page: http://www.guardian.co.uk/

And when you hit http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/ : "Sorry" (404)

But http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/ works, however the latest article is 12/7!

I say, chaps. Bloody silly of you.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 03:35 AM
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24. Good news, Bad news
B-)Good News: The Guardian picked up the story--USE IT, email it to any TV or Radio "News" show that fails to mention it tomorrow!

:grr:Bad News: The Guardian picked up the story-- The American MSM love to name call The Guardian as "The Left Leaning Guardian.":wtf:
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proudbluestater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 06:41 AM
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26. The Guardian has become my PRIME source of news in the US
Whatever the media cabal doesn't want you to hear/see, you won't hear/see. But do check in with the Guardian daily, because they are not part of the US media. They have been on the cutting edge of all news in the US for at least the last several months that I have been paying close attention.

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ClintCooper2003 Donating Member (629 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 06:52 AM
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27. "Independent experts to check election equipment...." Holy shit, I just...
realized the full ramifications of that statement. Clearly, the Kerry camp believes that a massive fraud may have been perpetrated on this country of ours. Thoughts?
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 07:08 AM
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29. Yes, I agree with you ClintCooper2003

It does sound like Kerry is worried about them crying partisen fixes or some such like, so he wants to bring in bi-partisen to assure that
he is not called a sore loserman but also that the findings are accepted for what they are, facts and fraud
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Redleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 09:29 AM
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31. Wow. This might really be something.
Keeping my fingers crossed.
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 09:45 AM
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32. Who IS 'LaParo?' Blackwell has someone talking for him now?
Oh, is he afraid now of being 'quoted' as saying something? Does that mean Blackwell is suddenly afraid of PERJURING himself further? Sounds like it to me. Prior to this, he's always held press conferences himself, and stated his own election 'facts.'

Interesting...
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