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maxsmom Donating Member (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 02:02 PM
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A Third Term for Bush?
An article at Alternative Press Review asserts that Bush can legally hold a third term because he was technically appointed to the first one, not elected. God help us all!

http://www.altpr.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=388&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
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Guarionex Donating Member (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 02:03 PM
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1. that wouldn't fly with the people....
because the whole selection of the supreme court hinged on the fact that he had won OHIO...so even though they DID steal the election and select him, their basis was based on an ELECTION turnout they interpreted to be the correct one (although they were wrong). That would make his selection really the first term.
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EMunster Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 02:11 PM
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8. iit's quite disappoint what WILL fly with the people....
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geo Donating Member (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 03:36 PM
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21. it might fly if we get hit again....
Hi all,

What scares me about reading this is that these folks buy into the Straussian perspective; that fundamental lies are sometimes necessary in obtaining the fundamental good. Strauss was one to admit openly that the ideal political situation was acheived by pushing the limits of nationalism and theocracy. He also mentioned the fact that we would need a national disaster to provide the framework for that effort (i.e. WTC attacks), and that if one did not exist, one should be created.

9/11 is full of unanswered questions and unprecidented secrecy. I would hate to think it was manufactured, but it is consistent with the philosphy this bunch latches onto. I could just see another disaster generated just in time for a third term.

Scary thoughts...

- G
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newscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 03:36 PM
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22. the people
You mean the same people who gleefully say, Jeb in 2008? We've got an empire in our midst.
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ThorsHammer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 02:03 PM
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2. Please tell me this is a joke.......nt
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 02:05 PM
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3. He was elected
How the electors were elected is in dispute, but it is quite obvious that a majority of the electors in 2000 cast their vote for Bush.
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 02:06 PM
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4. That won't work
The Supreme Court didn't actually appoint him, they stopped a recount which could have proven that he didn't win. He was put into office based upon the the number of electoral votes he got. Whether those votes were legitimate or not is another story ...
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 02:07 PM
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5. Can't Happen
Convicted Felons Can't Even VOTE let along run for PRESIDENT.

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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 02:08 PM
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6. A rap on the knuckles for you ...
..for even typing that!!!:spank:
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VTGold Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 02:10 PM
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7. I don't think its "elected" to two terms - I think it is "serve" two...
...terms.

If I understand it there is no law that says there must be an election - the electors can cast their ballots with no input from the voters.

Voting is technically a "tradition" - not mandatory by law.

This is according to Randi Rhodes who seems to know Constitutional law backwards and forwards.
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ibeplato Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 02:36 PM
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16. There was an election
The electors met and voted Bush as president on December 13, 2000. The U.S. Congress certified the results on January 6th. Bush can't run again (though I'm SURE there will be efforts by Conservatives to end the 2-term limit).
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Stanchetalarooni Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 02:15 PM
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9. I vote that his third term be a prison term in a federal stockade...
...for treason, murder and basic smirkiness unbecomming a POTUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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bemis12 Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 02:17 PM
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10. Bullshit
On several levels.

Despite that fact the he's often referred to as "appointed", that fact was that he had more votes at the time the counting was halted. That meets the definition of "elected".

Secondly, the 12th Amendment to the Constitution specifically deals with people "who have held the office of president".

http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_Am22.html

He absolutely cannot be elected a third time.
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Technowitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 02:27 PM
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11. Technowitch's Prediction Service - Bush to be 'President for Life'
Before this year's election, I predicted on a number of occasions that the Repugs would steal it. I said that it would probably be some combination of outright voter suppression, plus high-tech manipulation of electronic vote counting.

I didn't want to be right... but I was.

Here is my newest prediction: That a serious effort will be put in place to allow Bush to continue in office. Personally, I believe it will be an attempt to hurry through a Constitutional amendment to repeal the 22nd amendment. Expect it to be attached to the same text which would allow Schwarzenegger to run, as a foreign-born citizen. And they'll call it something like "The Presidential Elections Reform Act".

Either this, or after the next inevitable terrorist attack, Congress will ram through some kind of bill that says in the event that a "national emergency" is declared, one which prevents 'free and fair elections', that the Presidential election can be postponed until the current conflict is 'resolved'.

In either case, you can FULLY expect talk of Bush continuing in office after 2008 to be more and more serious as that date draws closer.

Just the DU's own personal Sybil here...
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4MoreYearsOfHell Donating Member (943 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 02:32 PM
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13. I agree with the repeal idea
and they will use Clinton's words against him, about his wanting to be able to return should the country be in such a state that we need him...

Like now...
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WritersBlock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 02:32 PM
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12. Can't happen without a constitutional admendment
Edited on Mon Dec-13-04 02:33 PM by WritersBlock
Or should I say that it SHOULDN'T happen without a constitutional amendment? They're as good as shredding the first ten; why not the 22nd for good measure?

:eyes:

On a side note, the irony of the wording of the 22nd Amendment hit me after I went to the link someone posted above:

"No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once."

Fits the shrub to a tee, that bit in bold.


(edited cos I can't type worth shit)
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 02:34 PM
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14. Over my dead body
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 02:35 PM
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15. Careful there
:scared:
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proudtobeadem Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 02:37 PM
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17. Bite your toung, er... fingers for saying that
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 02:41 PM
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18. Presidents are elected by electors
Bush was elected by the electors. No question about that.
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 03:18 PM
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19. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised
if one of the first bits of business of the new Congress will be to repeal the 22nd Amendment.

And to change the silly clause about needing to be born a citizen to be president.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 03:34 PM
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20. Bush was not appointed. This makes all alt media look bad.
Edited on Mon Dec-13-04 03:35 PM by tasteblind
People need to do their homework. It takes zero research to find out that Bush was Constitutionally elected.

Edited to add: If not elected by the majority of the people or the majority of Floridians. Blech.

Sheesh.
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EMunster Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 03:38 PM
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23. everything has change since 9/11....
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