John Bonifaz: "The nation is at a crossroads," 13 Dec 2004

[understandinglife]

"We can stand by while our democracy erodes around us, or we can stand up and fight, he said.

"For the dignity of our nation; and for the dignity of ourselves; and for the memory of those who struggled before us, we must choose to fight."

Link: http://www.breakfornews.com/articles/OhioForumDec13Report1.htm

I suggest DU consider placing these quotes 'up front' and I urge everyone to focus on just those words and on what each of us is going to do between now and 6 Jan 2005 to ensure victory for our endangered American franchise of Democracy.

Peace.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

1. This, to me, was the strongest statement of the hearing today

We should make this our credo and our battle cry.

[GetTheRightVote]

2. I am ready to cross that road in my fore fathers foot steps

I only hope that there is enough passion in this country to understand what is at stake and that we must act upon our convictions before we lose our country forever.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

3. That is what is most chilling...

And when I think of past times when we have had a slow moving movement in this country, such as the Viet Nam War protest, it took violence to make people wake up. Violence in Kent State Ohio, of all places, when police shot and killed 4 people for protesting, and in Madison, WI, when police started beating and tear gassing students during a sit in, and countless other examples. I do not want it to come to that, but that is how these "fringe" issues have become mainstream in the past.:kick:

[understandinglife]

4. After what Congressman Conyers and his colleagues...

...heard today, the multi-faceted, systematic attack on our American franchise of democracy, will not be a 'fringe issue.'

Peace.

"I'm an American; not a pro-fraud republican"

[atreides1]

6. Not This Time

The difference between then and now is that it would seem that most Americans don't have a problem with the military dropping bombs and killing innocent civilians. It seems to be acceptable!

I don't really believe that if Americans are killed by either the military or the police, that it will change the views of the 59 million who voted for Bush.

Some voted for Bush based on morals and values, some voted for Bush because they really believe that the economy is getting better, but most voted for him because they're scared, and lack courage.

Even if the killing of American college students were aired on TV this evening, the MSM would be not be interviewing people like you, they would be interviewing people who would say that the students deserved what they got, that seems to be the way of things lately.

Perhaps we need to take the same route as our founding fathers.

[jdog]

8. I don't believe

59 million voted for Bush.

[karlrschneider]

11. I don't believe it either. I know several Repubs here in Red Okla

who voted for JK and several others who withheld voting for either candidate. I will go to the crematory knowing in my heart this election was rigged. :grr:

[OKthatsIT]

10. Well..lets get moving...we need a Network..where's Soros?

The draft got them moving...those college kids learned a lot watching Rev Martin Luther King, Jr for several yrs prior to the draft calls.

[understandinglife]

17. Many folk, throughout the US, cheered when those students at Kent State...

...were shot.

I know, I confronted a bunch of them in my home town. It was only very late in horrible saga of Vietnam did one criticize what we were doing there and not risk one's safety. So, I disagree based on all the experiences I had between 1966 and 1974. And, I have had many ugly confrontations since 1974 with fellow citizens who still think we were justified in being in that illegal war.

And, I don't think 59 million Americans voted for Bush and I think, after the events of the past 5 weeks, many Americans who did vote him would not do so today.

Just my opinion.

For now the focus is forcing a halt, investigation and challenge by Senators and members of the House of Representatives on 6 Jan 2005. And, events of today gave a boost to that goal.

Peace.

"I'm an American, not a pro-fraud republican"

[bobbieinok]

23. that was my experience too

quoting what I especially agree with

Many folk, throughout the US, cheered when those students at Kent State......were shot.

I know, I confronted a bunch of them in my home town. It was only very late in horrible saga of Vietnam did one criticize what we were doing there and not risk one's safety. So, I disagree based on all the experiences I had between 1966 and 1974. And, I have had many ugly confrontations since 1974 with fellow citizens who still think we were justified in being in that illegal war.

[fasttense]

18. You Are Wrong

I lived through the Vietnam war. The peace movement was always there, always fighting. The TV showed the peace protesters but didn't always side with them. They gave pretty negative opinions of some of the protests and most of America was pro-war. That's why they reelected Nixon (even though he said he would get us out of Vietnam no one believed him). They voted for Nixon because they thought he could handle the war. In fact in a lot of ways we've slipped back to the Vietnam days. The Doves were not the majority, the Hawks were in charge and the media was on the outside looking in.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

5. kick

:kick:

[eowyn_of_rohan]

7. keep on kicking and screaming

:kick:

[texpatriot2004]

9. kick

[RaulVB]

12. Kick

[Quakerfriend]

14. One great strength we have is the Internet(s)

We the people have the power!

And, when I reflect back on my own gradual awakening, I realize that it only took two books to turn me around completely--J. Dean's Worse than Watergate, and P. O'Neill The Price of Loyalty.

Then the I just became curiouser and curiouser!!

[eowyn_of_rohan]

15. And what would we do without the internet?

Unfortunately we should have some back-up plans. Did you notice, Randi Rhodes had a replacement today, C-Span cancelled the 4:30 airing of the Ohio hearing, MSM scheduled Scott Peterson's verdict for 4:30, We are suddenly called "dissidents" by all MSM, etc...

[Sydnie]

19. ACK!! I just got home and hadn't heard that C-SPAN canceled.

I set the tivo to record it but hadn't started it up yet.

Why did C-SPAN cancel? Where can I find the 411 on the days events now?

[Viktor Runeberg]

20. State Supreme Court hearing in WA

Which was to determine whether wrongly uncounted votes in King County can be counted, which will mean they get a Dem. for Gov. after all. Court to rule probably tomorrow. The little I watched of it was very good - although of course not of as great interest as Conyers, still a recount story of consequence, and apparently playing out in our favor.

[Wordie]

13. kick Bonifaz seemed very level headed at the Dec. 8 forum, imho

[eowyn_of_rohan]

16. Help! I'm kicking and I can't stop! :)

:kick:

[dalloway]

21. Bonifaz and Arnebeck---my two new heroes

Kick this baby up there
:kick:

[eowyn_of_rohan]

22. Keep Bonifaz and Arnebeck at the top

:kick:

[zimba]

24. kick Bonifaz said it right,

democracy eroding around us. It seems so simple and obvious.

[understandinglife]

25. 14 Dec 2004 -- one day closer to 6 Jan 2005.....

....one day filled with even more effort to spread the word that our franchise of democracy is under attack.

We will halt this fraudulent election.

We will not allow any of our fellow citizens to be denied their right to vote and to know that their vote was counted as they intended.

The 44th President of the United States of America will be legitimately elected.

That is not possible in the current process so it must halt and be discarded.

Peace

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