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latteromden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 07:13 PM
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"Scott Rasmussen did the best job."
From electoral-vote.com:

"Slate has a good article about which pollsters did well and which didn't, and about where the conventional wisdom about polling missed the mark. They confirm my earlier observation that Scott Rasmussen did the best job, despite his use of robodialers and talking computers instead of people to conduct the polls."

Are we expected to believe that? That the guy that now has a section on his webpage called "The GOP Generation" was the CLOSEST? Even when he used questionable polling methods, which, for all we know, could have been polling illegal immigrants or 17-year-olds or convicted felons stripped of their right to vote? Honestly, are we supposed to BELIEVE that?
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MrUnderhill Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 07:15 PM
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1. Interesting... since he was the WORST in 2000.
Edited on Mon Dec-13-04 07:16 PM by MrUnderhill
But non-recorded polling could be polling the same people.

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democraticinsurgent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 07:35 PM
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2. it would be a mistake to dismiss robo-dialing
there's a pollster in Indiana who's flat-out nailed several difficult-to-predict mayoral elections in the past few years. The old school pollsters and pundits make fun of him, but he's been right more than anyone else in the past six or eight years.

He believes that the consistency of message (same voice on all calls) overcomes the lower response rate and that the automated nature of the polling minimizes the responses being affected by the live callers.

In Rasmussen's case, he may not be the most accurate based on what REALLY happpened with the vote as opposed to the certified totals, but that's another story....
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 07:42 PM
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3. Rasmussen did very good
Edited on Mon Dec-13-04 07:43 PM by tritsofme
Nationally he came in just behind the Tarrance Group and Pew, who both hit the nail on the head.

His state data was also very good, predicting 24/24 states.

Mason/Dixon also did well in the state polling arena, as usual.

I have said for months that Rasmussen had the most to lose in this election, and he really did prove himself and showed that automatic dialing can be reliable.
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latteromden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 07:48 PM
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5. That's rather frightening, considering
both Mason Dixon and Rasmussen's final polling showed Bush winning Minnesota, along with Strategic Vision - a Republican polling firm.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 08:04 PM
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8. Final Rasmussen poll in MN had Kerry leading 48-47.
Final Mason-Dixon was Bush leading 48-47 in MN.

I mostly ignored Strategic Vision.

Survey USA, which is also automated didn't do too badly either.
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bemis12 Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 07:48 PM
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4. Given that he nailed every state
it's tough to make an arguement that his polls weren't any good, regardless of his political inclinations.

I saw him on a number of news shows during the election period, and he was always completely non-partisan in his comments.
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righteous1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 07:57 PM
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6. Rasmussen and Mason Dixon both were dead on
Mason Dixon got 8 of 9 within 1% point
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righteous1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 08:00 PM
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7. He got burned in 2000 like so many others and goosed up his
Dem % slightly. His figures never varied while several other polls were up and down
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 08:12 PM
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9. Illegal immigrants convicted felons stripped of their right to vote?
You don't think that there those people voting? We are supposed to bevieve that?
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