Would Kerry prefer that we STAY INVOLVED and make the system work?

[seito]

I don't know, maybe you will find a clue to your answer here.

http://www.johnkerry.com/petition/everychild.php

"Your efforts count now more than ever...this is not a time for Democrats retreat..it is a time to stand firm...and together we are going to change history"

While you are at it, please sign the petition.

Keep the Faith

No Retreat No Surrender

[jamboi]

1. PLEASE SIGN THE PETITION NOW! SEND A MESSAGE OF SUPPORT

It'll encourage him to step forward.

[seito]

2. Thanks jamboi n/t

[Straight Shooter]

3. I signed it when it first came out. I wish he would do another one.

Maybe a video and petition for Americans to call for transparency in the election process, and he can give us a strong message of leadership, let us know he's aware and watching "every move they make."

[Mira]

4. Sadly but surely I am giving up on Kerry n/t

[seito]

7. I know what you mean

I believe we will hear from him soon.

Keep the Faith

No Retreat No Surrender

[Nordic]

5. it's difficult for me to care what Kerry thinks at this point

We're on our own here.

We're not doing this for him anymore, but for Democracy itself, and for America.

[seito]

6. Do you care about children having health insurance?

Do you care about framing issues?

This is not about John Kerry, this is about our future. The pugs have swayed the hearts and minds of descent people through their rhetoric. Here we have a chance to go on record supporting something that just about every American believes in. The pugs will surely not allow it to come to a vote and that will be used against them.

There are many ways to fight this fight. It is shocking to me that so many people would choose not to support this cause because John Kerry is not fighting this election battle as openly as they would like.

sigh

For those of you that have given up on John Kerry, and don't really care...:nopity:

For everyone else

:yourock:

Keep the Faith

No Retreat No Surrender

[Nordic]

8. Uh .... sure. I'd love to have it for my own kids. But --

it's difficult to support an invisible candidate who conceded before all the votes were counted after PROMISING he would not.

And who's going off to his fabulous christmas vacation with his gazillions of dollars to ski and snowboard while I'm barely able to make ends meet this month.

And who seems to be thinking more about covering his ass for 2008 than fighting for America and Democracy in 2004.

That is all. I don't see a guy who cares anywhere NEAR as much as we do.

That's a little .... AHEM! ..... discouraging.

[seito]

9. I understand

Things are not always as they seem.

To all those that have real doubts and concerns about John Kerry, I recommend that you watch Going Upriver. Even if you don't have doubts, it is an excellent piece on the Vietnam war and how it impacted so many that served. It is stunning the similarity between then and now.

Here is a free link

http://www.kerrysupport.com/upriver/index.html

on edit, this link does not appear to work now, try this one

http://downloads.zdnet.co.uk/0%2C39025604%2C39089439s%2C00.htm

The more I learn about John Kerry, the more I KNOW that he has not given up on us, and he will follow through on his promises. Of course that is my humble opinion. I understand there are some that do not share in that opinion. I respect that. I just hope that before you make final judgment you understand the man.

[Ken Burch]

10. Kerry doomed himself

When he refused to run as the man he was in '71. When he refused to summon the old clarity, the old passion. When HE VOTED FOR THE FRIGGIN' 87 BILLION BEFORE HE VOTED AGAINST IT. He had his chance.
Now, I want to fight for the people and the future, not for a failure with big hair and a big chin.

Let's find a fighter and a winner for '08, and let's organize mass anti-fascist resistance now. Those are the things that matter, not Kerry. We'll never hear from him again.

[Old and In the Way]

12. HE VOTED FOR THE FRIGGIN' 87 BILLION BEFORE HE VOTED AGAINST IT.

Isn't that something?

The guy makes an awkward statement.....then the RNC/Corporate media beat that friggen meme to death. Like that was their whole campaign message to the Bushbots.



Let that be a lesson to future Democrats running for President. Don't ever say anything awkward; make sure every word you say is totally scripted. Because people like Ken Burch are going to buy the RNC bullshit so well that they'll repeat it at places like the DU without prompting.

[Ken Burch]

15. I don't buy the RNC bullshit...I just know why Kerry blew it...

Taking August off to go windsurfing doomed him too. He could've at least called press conferences to denounce the Swift Bastards. Instead, all he did the whole campaign was to repeat all of Dukakis' mistakes. He failed his supporters and it's his fault that Bush is still there. Kerry deserves to be held accountable for it. And he doesn't deserve another nomination.

[LittleClarkie]

16. But that IS the RNC bullshit

So... you didn't buy it? Were they having a giveaway?

He didn't take August off to go windsurfing. He spent the summer working his freakin' ass off.

And what's that all about refusing to be the man he was. Well, hell, are you the man YOU were 30 years ago, assuming you weren't a fetus at that point? Who was refusing? You are what you are.

And did Dukakis win all three debates? Were people as excited after the first debate as I saw this October, when we had to release the yard signs a week early because we had so many people coming in the day after the first debate wanting one.

If Kerry would have repeated all of Dukakis' mistakes, or Mondale's, or Dole's, it wouldn't have been so damn close. They wouldn't have had to suppress and defraud so much of the damn vote if he'd done such a poor job. To say it was ALL his fault is to excuse an awful lot of people, including the morans who voted for Bush to save the babies (never mind the POST-born, let's just save the PRE-born), or their guns (pro-life gun guys, I met one. Scary), or marriage (as if two guys getting together was some sort of threat above and beyond hetero divorce). Not to mention the jaded, corporate media who apparently thought they could decide for us that we really didn't want that elitist Kerry. Green tea... arrrraaaaagh.

He made mistakes and we also made mistakes. I could have volunteered more. I could have committed to working more than when I had free time.

And I hope those people who were ABB will realize you can't sell a product you don't believe in yourself. I mean damn man, feeling like you apparently did about the man, how the hell did you expect to convince anyone to vote for him, instead of staying with the devil they knew? Did you? Did you convince anyone to vote FOR Kerry rather than try to convince them to vote AGAINST Bush?

I will be there 4 years from now, supporting Kerry if he decides to run, even if you're not. As one article put it, he's a bit politically tone deaf, but he will have proven to be right on alot of things by the end of 4 years. He didn't fail ME, so I'll thank you to speak for yourself.

The worst I can say about the man, aside from a lack of clarity until he gets pissed, is that he was a good man with a lousy marketing department. I will be working on becoming a Kerry expert, assuming we can't get his butt into the White House before then, of course. My plan is to become the Goddess of Rebuttal (bow down and worship me -- mwahahaha).

So there. :p

[Ken Burch]

17. Good luck in your aspirations to the Rebuttal Goddesship

I admire your loyalty, and have nothing against you personally.

[seito]

18. Little Clarkie, as usual you shine the candle of truth and common sense

into the dungeon of hopelessness and spin.

We do not the the pukes, we can strike down our own quite handidly.

No Retreat No Surrender

To all you loyalists out there :grouphug:

[angrydemocrat]

13. Kerry Is A Fighter

Just because someone isn't in the spotlight everyday jumping up and down screaming I'm here, I on the job, you people lose it. It is totally ridiculous. There is more going on here than just the issue of overturning the election. There is an investigation going on into all the fraud that has occurred, the voter intimidation, ect.

If Kerry was in the spotlight it would take away from and slow down the process. It would take away from the investigation because the media and the rightwing nuts would be spinning the shit to make as if Kerry and the democrats are disgraceful to put their own selfish wants before this countries security and our troops, democrats are more worried about trying to make the president look bad that they don't care that why they are doing this instead of moving on it is demeaning to the country itself and to the efforts of our troops who are fighting for democracy, and the list of shit these assholes would be spewing goes on. And while you had the media making a laughing stock out of this you would have the other rightwing nuts out there getting in the way of the investigation trying to cover their asses.

Yes it is important to see Kerry in the White House we all want that. But it is also important to expose the bastards behind all the fraud and bring them down. It is important to go about it right so these bastards don't just get a slap on the wrist with a damn fine or 6 months in jail. It is important to have all the ammo you need to put these bastards in a PRISON cell not just a jail cell. Tampering with an election is a federal crime.

But you might know it in your gut that it happen, but you have to have evidence that proves beyond a reasonable doubt. Getting that evidence doesn't consist of you and your investigators exposing their plans or the evidence you have so people can be pacified that you are working on the case. It is like doing a drug bust. When you the police have a investigation going on they don't go on the news and say OK folks this is what we are going to do, tonight we will be going to Georgie W Dipshit's house and watching the activity going on then we have our undercover officer Johnny B Good who will be going in for the setup and will arrest him at the scene, so stay tuned.:crazy:

This is not going to be a damn cakewalk by any means, but had Kerry not gone done things the way he has we would not be as close as we are to bringing these bastards down. Hell they didn't bring down Nixon and solve Watergate overnight. During his battle with BCCI, Kerry revealed himself to be a man of integrity who refused to back down even when he was under pressure of special interests who could have ruined his career. Instead Kerry got with New York District Attorney Robert Morgenthau and the fight continued. Kerry is a person of intelligence who can see all sides of an issue and incorporate all available data before making a decision. Kerry doesn't just look at this as winning the election, Kerry also see's it as a fight for democracy and the American people's right. Kerry is on our side and always will be!

The whole point here is Kerry doesn't have to be front and center to be involved and getting the job done.(There is more than one way to catch a rat) Kerry will continue to fight for what is right for America and the American people. As this fight continues on Kerry will come out with his guns a blazing as so many are eager to see. But Kerry is also smart enough to know when he does, he has to have enough ammo to bring the enemy down, and not give the enemy a chance to fire back. Kerry wants to win this fight as much as we do. This damn fight is far from over!

[seito]

19. AngryDemocrat

:pals:

We are in this fight until it reaches a JUST end.

No Retreat No Surrender

[Ken Burch]

22. Agreed that WE are in the fight.

My big post election problem with Kerry was that,
in his acceptance speech, he basically called on us
to surrender. I mean, if he himself wants to keep
a low profile, that's find, but he had no right to
tell us to pack it in and give up our principles.

It's our fight now.

[Nordic]

11. thanks.

for being understanding.

[insane_cratic_gal]

14. Have you noticed

how much the MSM has plugged the defeat of democrats. "Get over it. Dems are depressed, reform the party, not in touch with heart land of the american people.. blah blah . We can go on and on about the phrases used.

It's a game, defeatism, a rejection of your voice.

That is how Bushco is running things, they wish to demoralize you, by ignoring you. MSM is assisting in that manner. By their lack of courage to discuss the manner in which this election was stolen.

While we sit and discuss, who will lead. It comes to me that the back bone is not in anyone candiate. It seems democrat Senators have turned into whimmpering puppies. There are times you need to push them upright, with your own defiance. 57 million of us need to send that message to Bushco. We do not Conceed democracy.

So let's get listing what rallies are going on. What groups in your city are going to be in DC Jan. 20th.? Or picketing if your too far away to make it?

I'm in pittsburgh, i'm seriously thinking of lending out my floor to those who want to drive 5 hrs to picket.

[Snivi Yllom]

20. it seems to me that unless Kerry himself challenges the electors

it is very unlikely anyone else would go fight for him and reject the electors. Too much political heat.

[seito]

21. I think it depends on how much evidence they get their hands on

If Kerry challenges, it will look to most of America as the act of a "sore loser". If we can get many Representatives and Senators to band together in a show of unity, it will make a tremendous statement to the American people.