URGENT! Recount fraud LAST FRIDAY says Green Party Candidate

[MikeNY]

This is taken directly from http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=490

Green says voting company tampered with recount effort

By John Byrne | RAW STORY Editor

David Cobb, the unsuccessful Green Party presidential candidate, aired startling allegations at the Democratic House Judiciary Committee’s Columbus hearings Monday, alleging that a voting company representative tampered with voting equipment in Columbus last Friday and attempted to plant false information into the Ohio recount.

Cobb says that a witness who had requested anonymity watched a representative of Triad Systems enter the Columbus Board of Elections unannounced and tamper with a vote tabulator which then lost all data.

The representative then, Cobb said, tried to convince employees to post false information so that it would appear as if the data was valid and had never been lost.

This following is RAW STORY ’s transcript Cobb’s speech as recorded by Inside Track News’ broadcast (mp3 file), an independent media outlet that covered the event. The story has been followed in detail at The Brad Blog.

“A representative from Triad Systems came into this county’s Board of Election’s office unannounced, that is on this Friday. He said he was just stopping by to see if they had any questions about the upcoming recount.

“He then headed into the back room where Triad supplies tabulators, that is the machine that counts the ballots, is kept. This Triad representative told them that there was problem with the system, that the system had a bad battery and it had ‘lost all its data.’

“He then took the computer apart and started swapping parts in and out of it. And in another in the room. And he had spare parts in his coat, as one of the people moved in remarked how very heavy it was.

“He finally reassembled everything and said it was working but not to turn it off. He then asked which precinct would be counted in the 3 percent recount test and that one which had been selected as if it had the right number of votes was relayed to him he then went back and did something else to the tabulator.

“The Triad Systems representative suggested that since the hand recount had to match the machine count exactly and since it would hard to memorize the several numbers which would be needed to get the count exactly right, that they should post this series of numbers on the wall where they would not be noticed by observers such as to make them look like employee information or something similar.

“The people doing the hand count could then he said just report those numbers no matter what the actually
counted in the ballot. This would then ‘match’ the tabulator report for this precinct exactly.

Minority leader of the House Judiciary Committee Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.) replied, “David Cobb, I need to you to arrange a meeting with our staff immediately.”

Cobb asserted that such practices were “going on across the state.”

The Cleveland Free Press’ Editor David Fitrakis also submitted a list of documented Ohio voting irregularities Dec. 8, which Conyers’ office has posted online in pdf format.

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Correction: An earlier version of this article and headline incorrectly stated David Cobb was the Libertarian candidate. Cobb was the Green Party candidate.

[jamboi]

1. Glad Raw Story is picking it up. Hope it spreads through Indy to MSM. n.t

[MikeNY]

3. Can't believe this isn't getting national exposure

Actually reading the whole thing I'm amazed that this hasn't been reported on. You know they are trying to bury the fact that a recount has been attempted in Ohio.. totally nothing on the news about it or its buried on the backburner. What is greater to the public interest some guy who commited murder (happens on a daily basis) or the Presidential election results in question?

"Oh well."

[liberal N proud]

8. The media is too busy diverting everyones attention to the murder trial

in California. Do you suppose they will air the execution also?
They aired the execution of Democracy so why not.

[thanatonautos]

2. This is beginning to look better and better n/t

[katinmn]

4. I strongly recommend everyone listen to the audio!

Must be heard. There's a link to it in the story.

[jsamuel]

5. These guys are unbelievable... I can't tell you how much I wish I was

wrong about the whole thing, but I know I am not...

[katinmn]

6. I woke up at 3:30 a.m. thinking about these assholes

as I often do.

I think I'm going to add some more signage to my car today.

Arrest SOS Blackwell.
Recount the damn votes already!

[angrydemocrat]

7. The Volcano Is Going To Explode

The more evidence they come up with and the bigger this case get it will become a major explosion that the media won't be able to ignore any longer. It is hard to tell how much evidence they have that hasn't been exposed yet. Or who all they are looking at in these investigations. You know they can't let all they have be known to the public yet. All they are doing right now is exposing just enough to keep people like us fighting on and letting people know that this is not a waste of time or money here. I would be willing to bet there is alot we don't know yet but when it all comes out it will be major. When all of this is over the media needs their asses slammed in a big way for not doing their jobs. Their job is to do what is in the best interest of it's viewers not cover up for a corrupted bunch of asshole repugs.

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[jsamuel]

10. HELLO???

DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT I WANT TO "move on". DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? I WISH I DID NOT KNOW THIS ELECTION WAS STOLEN, BUT I DO, AND NOTHING YOU CAN SAY WILL TAKE THAT KNOWLEDGE AWAY.

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[AnnitaR]

11. Your FIRST post and your telling us "we need to get over it"???

Go back to Freeperville with your "friend" who sent you here.

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[katinmn]

15. The times are changing

The Democratic party of your parents is dead.

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[catgirl]

25. JMS63 You're one big fat liar!! Why don't you get lost.

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[americanwoman]

12. If we don't fix the election system ...

we're not going to win. Ever. Without a trustworthy election process, everybody looses. The amount of introspection and "getting over it" we do is irrelevant.

You have a lot of catching up to do ... start here:

http://www.chuckherrin.com/hackthevoteFAQ.htm

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[MikeNY]

20. Understood but you're still wrong

I hear what you are saying but at the same time this is a matter of great seriousness that deserves attention even if it is a battle that will not be won. When a Presidential candidate or any candidate going for public office brings up allegations like this, even if it is a small time candidate, that is very serious.

If you are a business and you find that your product was in all likelyhood sabotaged, and you have some significant evidence, but you find that you may not win in court, do you abandon that fight? Even if that product's damage will hurt the marketplace?

And obviously you can not think of this strictly in financial or business terms. This is a serious challenge to our democracy, where even if we are wrong, it is a battle worth fighting.

A few weeks ago I would have agreed with you but too much information has surfaced that is simply startling and in many cases irrefutable.

I believe that if you examine the raw data as well as many of the facts surrounding voter suppression, irregularities, and down right fraud you will be suprised to find it is not as sugar coated and simple as the media has made it out to be. In fact most of it looks like downright fraud.

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[latteromden]

21. Unfortunately for you, many of us will not "suck it up" and

forget about it. If there was election fraud - and there is certainly proof that SOMETHING went on - or, even these cases of voter suppression, we cannot continue to accept it in our voting system, or it will be the death of democracy. There's no two ways around it. You can't possibly convince anyone that our system is okay - 2000, the popular vote winner did not become the president. This year, case after case of machines just "messing up," subtracting and adding votes. These are things we cannot allow to stand, whether or not the election was stolen from us. Sure, we ARE working on the next election. I spend about 2 hours a day on THIS election - and about 18 on 2006 and 2008. I've gone through every county, every district, every PRECINCT in my state to see what we can do better, who we can run, where our ground team didn't do so well. I'm planning on doing the same thing in at least 40 other states. I'm starting volunteer work for my senator's reelection campaign early next year. Working on the next election and working on election fraud are not mutually exclusive.

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[latteromden]

27. But when the majority of the public chooses one president

and the electoral college chooses another, there's something a bit wrong there, and electoral college reform fits right into election reform. You're assuming this is about Kerry winning. It's not.

And no, I'm not going to tell you we need to get rid of the electoral college, because I don't believe we have to. You seem to be generalizing the people on this board - not all of us believe that the electoral college is the root of all evil, or that red-staters are, as you say, "idiots, morons, repugs, or Jesus freaks," nor do we all believe the same thing, believe it or not (I sometimes don't believe it, unfortunately...).

No election can be counted entirely accurately (with the most recent example being the Washington recount going on right now), but when machines begin counting backwards (as happened in Florida), or more votes are counted than total voters (as in Ohio), how can that be considered an acceptable occurance?

Honestly, if those in our party are committing fraud; I don't care whether they are Democrats or Republicans, it needs to be stopped. Once again, not about Kerry winning.

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[7th Generation VTer]

33. I'm a newcomer here

I'm not going to try to make a splash, or anything. I just want to say that this sham of an election was not made a sham by human fallibility.

The voting and counting machines were developed and supplied and maintained by admitted Republican sympathizers, one of whom pledged to "deliver the vote for Bush." This alone is enough to call the election into question.

The fact that the official in charge of the Ohio election was himself a co-chair of the Bush-Cheney campaign in that state is by itself enough to call it into question. (Never mind Florida in 2000; the cronyism there was so thick you could hardly cut it with a knife.)

The fact that heavily non-Republican districts were shorted the voting machines while Republican districs had more than enough...

The mysterious and probably illegal actions of SOS Blackwell in first delaying the certification of the vote (in order to delay the recounts), and then in locking down the public voting records -- these are also enough to cast serious doubt on the election's validity. Why would he do this if the recounts, if done properly, would have served to support his preferred outcome?

If any one of these points is enough to cause a thinking person to question the validity of the election, when taken together they paint an absolutely monstrous portrait of an election either hijacked or so inextricably fouled that it can't possibly be taken seriously. I didn't even mantion to disparity between the exit polls and the vote counts, the voter suppression, the misinformation spread among minority communities, and so on.

Kerry should have waged a fiercer campaign. I wish we'd had a more fiery candidate, who would have had no problem with loudly proclaiming and deep philosophical differences between him/herself and Bush. Now some Democrats are saying we have to cleave more closely to the GOP's message, particularly the "moral values" stuff, because if that's the way the population goes, we have to go with it.

Well, bull. A population can be misled and wrong, too. Someone has to stand up for what's right, and take a stand, even if it's unpopular.

I do agree with you, JMS63, when you say that we aren't helping our cause by sinking into juvenile name-calling. I will probably get nailed to the wall for saying so, but I've always believed it better and more effective to use the needles and razors of wit and truth than the blunt instrument of insult. I hate Bush as much as anyone. I hate him and his disgusting cronies so much it scares me. I despise them for what they've done and what they will do. But I will not make myself look foolish by sinking to their level. We must rise above it and in doing so, shed light on them, show them for what they are, and make plain their deception and hatred and contempt for the American people and all the people of the world.

[newyawker99]

49. Hi 7th Generation VTer!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

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[Spangle]

26. Using Those voting machines will not get people elected either

I don't know what your friend told you. But you might want to do some research on these machines so you have a better understanding what we are trying to do. This isn't a short turn goal. It's a long turn goal.

Nothing is going to change unless we DEMAND change.

We can't demand change if we don't have actual evidence. The only way to get evidence is by doing recounts. <grin>

Every recount that is beind done has evidence that the makers of these machines sold a bad bill of goods.

And the fact that they were allowed to do so shows that we don't have an oversite committee in place to deal with this matter.

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[catnhatnh]

41. Strange you don't know...

...what a freeper is but tin foil hat makes your word list....Hmm,where's the ignore button?

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[thephaseshift]

22. Dude, reality check

It may very well have been possible for the Republicans to cheat so badly that even the popular vote didn't go to Bush. The whole point is that enough dirt has been revealed to make it plausible, not just a wacky theory. And if that's the case, then using the popular vote to justify stopping investigations is a moot argument.

Your parents' reaction is naive, and unfortunately very typical. Bush is indeed good at appearing to love America, but when I say 'appear' I mean just that. His ACTIONS on the other hand tell another story entirely. He's against what America believes in, through and through. He's as rotten as they come. Anybody who has been following what Bush has been DOING (and not saying) since his first day in office is probably going to get the shock of their lives, especially if they weren't paying much attention before.

What makes somebody American? Smiling and saying 'God Bless America and our Troops', or defending America and the ideals it stands for? Because the latter is just what he's been destroying from the ground up. Wake up and smell the coffee...

I think it's the simple fact that nobody is really willing to pay attention, and be critical of the corporate news media, that almost half of Americans truly believe Bush is good for us. It's a really sad - indeed frightening - state of affairs. I don't think it has anything to do with politics at all - simply carelessness on the part of our citizens. We let the media and large corporations control what we see and hear, more and more everyday. It's a vicious circle, and the only way to break out is to actively go hunting for information. DON'T trust what you see on TV!

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[Pseudofool]

38. convincing Americans of the Merit our Ideals

JMs63 says "We can only win by convincing Americans of the Merits of our Ideals.Until a significant number of Americans stop perceiving us as the flag burning party that is hostile to America, hostile to Christians, and pro-socialist , we will continue to lose elections."

The problem is that we will never have the opportunity to convince the American public otherwise. With Foxnews, Clear channel and the rest of the MSM controling how information is exchanged, the American public will never be exposed to liberal values.

I think you are missing the scope of what has/is happed/ing. Democracy relies upon free exchange of information; when the harbingers of that information are owned by partisan interests there is no longer a free exchange. In fact, corporately owned media will always favor candidates, view points, and stories that are the most pro-corporation. What's more, Fox News with their shameless partisanship creates space for the rest of the media to entrench themselves as more conversitive, when relatively they seem liberal (compared with Fox News).

We will have four more years of young people ready to vote who are even more entrenched in the pseudo-reality created by networks. One where (FoxNews)MSM, Patriotism, War-on-terror, Republicans, and Corporations, will be indistinguishable entities/concepts. Media will further hone their ability to politicize the news and get away with not reporting stories that hurt their agendas.

I just don't see the Dems winning EVER AGAIN if we muck up the recount stuff. Our real only hope is that one of the MSM networks realize that their is viable niche market in pandering to liberals, drawing some the networks back towards the middle and easily painting Fox News as conversitive.

If they own information and authority (controlling all branches of gov't) and they own the power to change the authority (Voting machines, tabulators) There is no accountability even if they did cheat.

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[EMunster]

29. How come they never sound like democrats

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[SammyWinstonJack]

35. Because they aren't?

:think:

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[genieroze]

37. Ummmm, go away. Thank You. eom

[LisaL]

39. We lost? Who are you calling "we"?

:spank: :spank: :spank:

[genieroze]

43. We didn't lose, we was robbed. NEW SLOGAN, DIEBOLD VOTEJACKED MY VOTE!

We got votejacked! Rather than using a gun, they used a tabulator and rather than a carjacker they used a sleazy programmer.

[we can do it]

42. Hello- The election was stolen

:crazy: :wtf:

[katinmn]

45. 9 deleted msgs in a 43 post thread. Is that a new record?

I think the admins just sent the freeper in to give us some exercise.

[buddysmellgood]

46. Remember, when they say "Get over it" the "it" is Democracy.

They can have my democracy when the pry it from my cold dead hands.

[proudbluestater]

47. That would make a GREAT a bumper sticker!

Remember when they say "Get over it" the "it" is Democracy." So damn true.

Don't you love all the move on'ers? Remember Bill Clinton? Remember how they hounded the man for eight solid years over absolutely NOTHING, spending 60 million dollars in the process? And WE should move on? Bushshit.

Why should we be told, sorry, there will be no investigation. The election has been decided by the RULING CLASS and that's just how it goes. Please, though, continue to send us your tax dollars so that we may continue to bomb the hell out of small defenseless countries and screw the middle and lower classes. EOM

[spooked]

48. Thanks for that! Awesome quote!

n/t

[jsamuel]

50. This is why Warren will not be Hand Recounted... BECAUSE IT IS A FRAUD!

[hippiechick]

51. Question?

So if that tabulator that Triad attempted to mess with 'lost all data' ... now what ?

How can there be a recount of lost information ? If all they have to do is get to the machines and zero them out, then what ?

This is turning into a HUGE mess.


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[keepthemhonest]

52. well

this is an interesting article and that a troll apparently was all over this page is interesting as well.